Small arms and Light Weapons

[Lonewarrior]

once barrel gets heated it's starts to expand which can affect accuracy to great extent. If it gets too hot, there is high chances of ammo cooking up in the chamber, means it fires without pressing trigger.

You never mentioned a single alloy like 4140. Or 4150. Or 4340. Or 416.
You never mentioned a single metal forming method like Cold Hammer Forging. Or Electrochemical Machining. Or button rifling. Or cut rifling.

Then where the heck is "metallurgy" here mate?

The only thing you mentioned is heating up of barrel. That's why the metallurgy of AK is better!?

Increase the diameter of the barrel, it will heat up slowly and act as heat sink.
Do you really think that we don't even have the technology to turn a barrel 25mm in diameter, instead of 20mm on a lathe!?

Add fluting to the barrel, it will cool down rapidly.
Take a round cutter, plunge it 3mm in the barrel and make a pass along the length. Rotate the barrel 60° and make another cut. Do until you have 6 flutes. So even is process is so technology advanced that we can't do!?

Add some exotic cooling methods like forced air cooling (like Lewis and Pecheneg) and never worry about heating.
Adding an aluminium sleeve over the barrel is something that only Russians can do!? We can't?

 

[Whitecollar]

762 recoil isnt bad enough to cause injury....

Just look at all the journalists holding rifles like noobs and still being fine after firing. And Tank/heli/arty crews have decent practice with standard firearms.

incase it still isnt okay, jvpc is there to act as a carbine for this specific purpos-Arty/tank

Who is giving them the JVPC? IA gonna decide themselves what to get for tank crew. You are just as hopeful as me that JVPC gets accepted.
BTW, OFB's small arms design section languishes 24/7. There's no reason why they couldn't take this as a project and reduce the bolt size, magwell, barrel and other components to make a 556 version also.
Atleast tax payer's money will be positively used that way...

 

[Whitecollar]

From the vault of History: the AS 44

 

[ManhattanProject]

Who is giving them the JVPC? IA gonna decide themselves what to get for tank crew. You are just as hopeful as me that JVPC gets accepted.
BTW, OFB's small arms design section languishes 24/7. There's no reason why they couldn't take this as a project and reduce the bolt size, magwell, barrel and other components to make a 556 version also.
Atleast tax payer's money will be positively used that way...

Forget Army, they are never going to order the JVPC, now i am hopeful for SPG and more state police units.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Forget Army, they are never going to order the JVPC, now i am hopeful for SPG and more state police units.

Did clear army trials, may order.... state police and paramilitary have already inducted

 

[Lonewarrior]

- World's militaries started fapping over PDW calibre cartridge; we gave 0 Fs.

- They adopted 4.6 and 5.7; we gave 0 Fs.

- They realised it's a moot point to have a dedicated caliber, when you can have either a PDW length carbine in intermediate caliber or a SMG firing +P ammo. Both doing the same thing better than PDWs; we gave 0 Fs.

- PDW concept started to approach obsolescence in many large scale militaries (indeed there are few exceptions), with only small specialized units keeping them; AND NOW WE STARTED GIVING Fs.

- JVPC should be inducted by army.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

- World's militaries started fapping over PDW calibre cartridge; we gave 0 Fs.

- They adopted 4.6 and 5.7; we gave 0 Fs.

- They realised it's a moot point to have a dedicated caliber, when you can have either a PDW length carbine in intermediate caliber or a SMG firing +P ammo. Both doing the same thing better than PDWs; we gave 0 Fs.

- PDW concept started to approach obsolescence in many large scale militaries (indeed there are few exceptions), with only small specialized units keeping them; AND NOW WE STARTED GIVING Fs.

- JVPC should be inducted by army.

Well World had also moved towards scopes(comparing to western armies), proved to be a real game changer at squad levels, we are still giving 0 Fs. It will also move past that to fire control scopes, we will still be having 0 Fs. So I guess 20-30 yrs in future we will be getting atleast acog kinda scopes. Well chinese forces seem to be in good hands atleast in the tech induction area and outpacing the world in some areas.
We need better tech to outmatch. This is combat and not a game where you need to fairly match each other.
For anyone defending not issuing scopes due to budget constraints, sig 716i without them is as good as Insas or ak, you won't be hitting targets above 300m with naked eyes anyway.
Just copy infantry modernisation like Russian Ratnik, which seems to be atleast what we can afford.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Well World had also moved towards scopes(comparing to western armies), proved to be a real game changer at squad levels, we are still giving 0 Fs. It will also move past that to fire control scopes, we will still be having 0 Fs. So I guess 20-30 yrs in future we will be getting atleast acog kinda scopes. Well chinese forces seem to be in good hands atleast in the tech induction area and outpacing the world in some areas.
We need better tech to outmatch. This is combat and not a game where you need to fairly match each other.
For anyone defending not issuing scopes due to budget constraints, sig 716i without them is as good as Insas or ak, you won't be hitting targets above 300m with naked eyes anyway.
Just copy infantry modernisation like Russian Ratnik, which seems to be atleast what we can afford.

Same story goes for an "intermediate" calibre.

- World's moving towards a new 6.x caliber round.

- And we!?
Le 0.7M AKs in 7.62x39mm.

 

[Whitecollar]

Same story goes for an "intermediate" calibre.

- World's moving towards a new 6.x caliber round.

- And we!?
Le 0.7M AKs in 7.62x39mm.

Hope to God we don't fight a war in near future where opposition wears lv 3 BPJ. AKs will simply become ineffective at killing after 120-130 mtrs. Then after few years, you'll see IA coming to their senses and demanding for that "intermediate" caliber.

 

[Rchauhan]

Army aint no saint but OFB is not known for its quality i will give the army pass here. Better than getting your gun jammed in firefight or the mags breaking due to cold.

Same OFB also manufactured SLRs, Sterling Guns and that too in very big Numbers . Dose anyone know how was the Quality of these Guns back then .

I have not come across anyone till date who evaluated SLR or Sterling made by OFB ........

If Sterling and SLRs made by OFB performed without any issue than we really cannot blame OFB totally . I guess the Design of INSAS eventually was such that they could not produce a Good Quality INSAS .

 

[Killbot]

Same OFB also manufactured SLRs, Sterling Guns and that too in very big Numbers . Dose anyone know how was the Quality of these Guns back then .

I have not come across anyone till date who evaluated SLR or Sterling made by OFB ........

If Sterling and SLRs made by OFB performed without any issue than we really cannot blame OFB totally . I guess the Design of INSAS eventually was such that they could not produce a Good Quality INSAS .

INSAS is literally just an AK. Not some complex, groundbreaking design. OFB's quality control is to blame here.

 

[Rchauhan]

INSAS is literally just an AK. Not some complex, groundbreaking design. OFB's quality control is to blame here.

Thats exactly what My question is ,,,, why did they specifically fuckup the Quality of INSAS only ,,, how come they same people were able to produce Good Quality SLRs and Sterling Guns

 

[SGOperative]

INSAS is literally just an AK. Not some complex, groundbreaking design. OFB's quality control is to blame here.

Wrong INSAS is a wanted or unwanted child of AK and SLR

 

[Johny_Baba]

Its similar to glock conversion kit nothing new

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No not at all, don't get confused between two simply because it fires from glock pattern magazines...
i already had put a pic showing some explanations of Asmi design and one thing i noticed was it had a fixed barrel on upper receiver
if it was simply a ;pistol-to-carbine-conversion-kit; like thing then it wouldn't have a dedicated receiver at all just a shell to mount a readymade pistol on it - like thing.

This is a new design of its own and it is wrong to compare it with things it doesn't follow.

 

[Killbot]

Thats exactly what My question is ,,,, why did they specifically fuckup the Quality of INSAS only ,,, how come they same people were able to produce Good Quality SLRs and Sterling Guns

No idea. But OFB has never had consistent quality control. That's why they have such a bad reputation. It's not just the INSAS.

 

[Covfefe]

Same OFB also manufactured SLRs, Sterling Guns and that too in very big Numbers . Dose anyone know how was the Quality of these Guns back then .

I have not come across anyone till date who evaluated SLR or Sterling made by OFB ........

If Sterling and SLRs made by OFB performed without any issue than we really cannot blame OFB totally . I guess the Design of INSAS eventually was such that they could not produce a Good Quality INSAS .

No gun expert, but I have seen paint bubbles and dots on the INSAS butt pretty often. A first-year apprentice can point out shoddy workmanship there. Wonder what they did during cold forging and other critical processes. OFBs have a pathetic work-culture

 

[Lonewarrior]

First thing first, what he did is by no means something easy, making a gun is never easy. But it's also not something ground breaking.

Now ASMI.

That "thing" is neither a pistol-carbine conversion like Roni nor a dedicated SMG like UZI.
It's basically a Glock's concept, executed in a slightly different way.

- Trigger mechanism is exact same from Glock.
- So are all the small parts of the slide (in this case; bolt) like striker and extractor.
- The grip is new, but again it's more or less the same thing a Glock's frame does.
- The front part of the slide has been chopped off (or maybe not, if it's a telescoping type bolt) to act as a bolt.
- This bolt has been covered by an aluminium shell.
- In this shell is the barrel permanently attached.

It's a simple blowback operated SMG which is essentially just a modified glock.

Being a simple blowback its rate of fire is going to be very high.
@Johny_Baba guessed it at 750, which is theoretically what it should have. He's quite accurate here. TBH, it's going to have even higher ROF if the bolt is not telescoped.

So that's everything about ASMI.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Thats exactly what My question is ,,,, why did they specifically fuckup the Quality of INSAS only ,,, how come they same people were able to produce Good Quality SLRs and Sterling Guns

There’s a reason why OFB Made Tavors (Zittara) were rejected.

 

[Whitecollar]

Cursed Indian guns(My take):

Chambers 5.56x45mm

 

[Lonewarrior]

My take

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My Take!
Or should I read it MyTec!?