Small arms and Light Weapons

[FalconSlayers]

It’s a shame that we manufacture Israeli Arads here and yet don’t use them.

 

[Killbot]

No, it’s not easy, first can someone give me the pics or details of the detailed specs requirements of the army in the Carbine tender?

My bet? Same as previous one.

It's as @Whitecollar said, army really wants the CAR-816. Especially after General Naravane visited UAE. Sabka Vikas at work.

 

[FalconSlayers]

My bet? Same as previous one.

It's as @Whitecollar said, army really wants the CAR-816. Especially after General Naravane visited UAE. Sabka Vikas at work.

Yes, MKU is already prepared with Caracal, but I’ve heard many Porkis also work in Caracal as when I searched for Caracal International I saw accounts of Porkis claiming to be working in it, won’t they try to Iobby against us?

 

[Killbot]

Yes, MKU is already prepared with Caracal, but I’ve heard many Porkis also work in Caracal as when I searched for Caracal International I saw accounts of Porkis claiming to be working in it, won’t they try to Iobby against us?

See, porks working in Caracal will be janitors, drivers etc. Who is a fucking floor sweeper to lobby against a Sheikh's Vikas?

 

[FalconSlayers]

See, porks working in Caracal will be janitors, drivers etc. Who is a fucking floor sweeper to lobby against a Sheikh's Vikas?

What if they are in assembly line? You can’t underestimate.

 

[FalconSlayers]

CAR-816 should’ve been bought anyway, I find MoD guilty of scrapping older tender for So-called Make in India and then scrapping it for reselecting the same carbine.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Arad has only 2 rail mounts, an upper and a lower. Hence Army is not interested in buying Arad and wants CAR-816 instead.

 

[Killbot]

Arad has only 2 rail mounts, an upper and a lower. Hence Army is not interested in buying Arad and wants CAR-816 instead.
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Bruh it has an M-LOK handguard.. U can mount accessories on 3, 6, 9, 12 positions. These can be replaced with a M1913 handguard anytime.

 

[Killbot]

What if they are in assembly line? You can’t underestimate.

What will they do, stop sweeping floors??

 

[Flying Dagger]

JVPC is different thing, JVPC is a PDW not a Carbine. A Carbine has a 14.5” Barrel while JVPC has around 12” barrel.

No , there is no such thing that barrel has to be bigger than 12 inch , it's just it needs to be smaller and accurate upto distance of 200m around ( based on army RFP ) whether you deliver it with 10 inch barrel or 14 inch is upto you the shorter the barrel better it is to carry.

It’s a shame that we manufacture Israeli Arads here and yet don’t use them.

We will be making other rifles too if selected whether caracal or any other.

Yes, MKU is already prepared with Caracal, but I’ve heard many Porkis also work in Caracal as when I searched for Caracal International I saw accounts of Porkis claiming to be working in it, won’t they try to Iobby against us?

MKU is the reason I strongly feel caracal prospect more... that company has determination to be top defence supplier unlike monsoon frogs jumping from here and there.

Doesn't matter who work for them their production capacity is low and will be manufactured in India later.

 

[FalconSlayers]

No , there is no such thing that barrel has to be bigger than 12 inch , it's just it needs to be smaller and accurate upto distance of 200m around ( based on army RFP ) whether you deliver it with 10 inch barrel or 14 inch is upto you the shorter the barrel better it is to carry.



We will be making other rifles too if selected whether caracal or any other.



MKU is the reason I strongly feel caracal prospect more... that company has determination to be top defence supplier unlike monsoon frogs jumping from here and there.

Doesn't matter who work for them their production capacity is low and will be manufactured in India later.

MKU recently (yesterday) completed the delivery of all 15000 Bulletproof jackets to Brazil. MKU is considered the best in the world in terms of production of Ballistic protection equipment.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Bruh it has an M-LOK handguard.. U can mount accessories on 3, 6, 9, 12 positions. These can be replaced with a M1913 handguard anytime.

I very well know that, but you think that the Kanjoos Ministry of Defence who purchases rifles with quad rails but leaves them to be used with iron sights and a Holographic sight sometimes for photo op will spend on additional M-LOK handguard? Lol they can’t even provide hand grips to our soldiers, basic question is why are we wasting money on quad rail systems when at most only 1 or 2 will be occupied and the redt of the time all 4 will remain empty?

 

[Flying Dagger]

If a 7.62x39mm AR pattern rifle is something IA would like to induct then why go reinvent the wheel way with SIG MCX when tonnes of such rifles are available in market, for e.g. CMMG MK47 'Mutant'

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I mean yeah MCX has folding buttstock and short stoke gas piston system etc due to the internal dual-recoil spring system that eliminates need of recoil buffer system of common AR rifles but overall getting a rifle that feeds from available magazines would be a great advantage over starting over with a new gun.

SSS defence also offered AK round rifle , AR based and traditional AK both.

 

[FalconSlayers]

AR based AKs will be useless.

 

[Marliii]

AR based AKs will be useless.

The ukrainians also tried it and failed

 

[Johny_Baba]

SSS defence also offered AK round rifle , AR based and traditional AK both.

Their AR based rifle was offered when they had JV with LMT (named SS-LMT) but ITAR ruined it for them hence they made their own multi-cal assault rifle thingy but yet to be shown on firing range.
As for their AK,they previously offered many *imported* AK Upgrade Kits and later just showcased a shell of an AK but, as said above.

 

[Whitecollar]

Their AR based rifle was offered when they had JV with LMT (named SS-LMT) but ITAR ruined it for them hence they made their own multi-cal assault rifle thingy but yet to be shown on firing range.
As for their AK,they previously offered many *imported* AK Upgrade Kits and later just showcased a shell of an AK but, as said above.

Sir, I remembered that our MCIWS was ready for serial production in 2018. What's stopping DRDO & OFB to stick an aluminium keymod or M loc rail cover and make it available to IA once again??

 

[FalconSlayers]

Sir, I remembered that our MCIWS was ready for serial production in 2018. What's stopping DRDO & OFB to stick an aluminium keymod or M loc rail cover and make it available to IA once again??

Because it is now scrapped (not the rifle, the programme for a Multi Cal rifle has been scrapped, now it is a New Generation 6.8x43mm requirement and the same MCIWS now comes in 6.8x43mm).


MCIWS

6.8x43 variant of the same rifle

 

[Johny_Baba]

Sir, I remembered that our MCIWS was ready for serial production in 2018. What's stopping DRDO & OFB to stick an aluminium keymod or M loc rail cover and make it available to IA once again??

Well all i can say is fall of Manohar Parrikar happened and the project got thrown outta window with this new RFI that specifically asked for a 7.62x51mm NATO rifle,making previous multi-cal one dud.

Rest refer to my previous posts on MCIWS//AAR,

While in general it's true that MCIWS//AAR has got some striking similarity to SoKorean K-2 rifle but it is still a unique design on its own and in some regards near to INSAS

for example, Trigger Group in the MCIWS//AAR is of Kalashnikov pattern one,makes me think it is taken from INSAS
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Then again its working is somewhat unique (still leaning towards K-2 Rifle but still different),just have a look at this
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So yeah, it's unique design in my view that's taken some elements from this weapon and major design elements from K-2 rifle maybe.

BTW this pattern of exposed Camming Pin + Camming Surface that too on its Ejection Port was one of those things i immensely hated about MCIWS//AAR

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Like seriously WTF these are among the critical working mechanisms of a self loading rifle and they are keeping it exposed ? Forget Inrange TV Pattern Mud Tests,it won't be able to tolerate dust or sand accumulation on its bolt carrier in sandy environment of Thar

Imagine designing a firearm in 21st Century and still making such elementary mistake of not keeping working parts or mechanisms sealed and safe from outside gunk oh and yes they aren't even providing a dust cover on its ejection port so making it even worser

If you'd compare it to AR-15 ( has got dust cover and even when dust cover is open its bolt carrier is sealed enough to keep outside stuff away from working parts ) and K-2 (doesn't have dust cover but bolt carrier is sealing its ejection port well enough) this is failing in both way. I would say even AK (or INSAS) is better sealed than this design as at least bolt carrier is effectively covering its camming surfaces sealed.

despite so boasted 'ready for serial production' the design indeed had some flaws that could've made it jam on firing range etc. Since then there have been minor updates on the program with some graphics showing redesigned receiver, a new UBGL for that etc but except that not much info out there.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Well all i can say is fall of Manohar Parrikar happened and the project got thrown outta window with this new RFI that specifically asked for a 7.62x51mm NATO rifle,making previous multi-cal one dud.

Rest refer to my previous posts on MCIWS//AAR,





despite so boasted 'ready for serial production' the design indeed had some flaws that could've made it jam on firing range etc. Since then there have been minor updates on the program with some graphics showing redesigned receiver, a new UBGL for that etc but except that not much info out there.

It will take a whole decade for us to move to this round considering that if we simply cancel AK deal we still have chance.

If USA move to this round then there is a strong case for us too. Meanwhile Siberia is going for 6.5 *39 round .

Even if they use a simple AK pattern rifle for this round in carbine and assault role they can end the need of different rounds.

Their AR based rifle was offered when they had JV with LMT (named SS-LMT) but ITAR ruined it for them hence they made their own multi-cal assault rifle thingy but yet to be shown on firing range.

As for their AK,they previously offered many *imported* AK Upgrade Kits and later just showcased a shell of an AK but, as said above.

In their interview with Livefist Journo he did mentioned that both are on offer.