Skirmishs at LOC, LAC & International Border

[lcafanboy]

What the fuck? We did PKMKB in 2002 also...

 

[Bhadra]

We don't want private companies. We just want Technology and manufacturing. Why get obsessed with private companies? What is your problem if HAL makes AMCA or MWF? As long as the equipment is indigenised, that is all matters.

You do not seems to understand rudimentary economics. HAL does not make economy, they eat up economy. Private Industry and Private companies make economy. India needs a defense industrial complex and not complexes of social justice unions.

 

[tarunraju]

MoD approves using pain inducing 'Sound Canons' for crowd control in Kashmir

Security personnel who often face off with stone-pelters and civilians during crucial anti-terror operations in Kashmir will no longer depend on pellet guns to disperse the human obstacles.

The Ministry of Home Affairs has approved the use of 'sound cannon', devices that can emit pain-inducing sound waves, on rampaging mobs in the Valley. The move follows criticism of pellet guns that have left several people with eye injuries.

Known as Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD), the sonic weapon was used for the first time in Pittsburgh, US, to control an agitated crowd during a G20 summit in 2009.



"It is much needed. During an encounter with terrorists, locals start pelting stones at the forces. LRAD will help us immediately disperse the crowd and also take terrorists off guard, giving a strategic edge to our forces in action," a senior IPS officer told DNA.

The use of LRAD has been criticised world over as the sound can cause pain in humans and permanently damage hearing. Official sources said the ministry is clear that the warning tone won't cross the human threshold of pain and that the forces should be able to control its intensity.

The ministry has directed the Central Armed Police Forces to start the process of procuring LRADs while stressing the need for development and manufacture of the 'sound cannons' in the country.

In an internal note, the government has said, "The manufacturers must mention the threshold impact of equipment output on human ears and have to have certification from Indian and medical organisations."

The ministry has sought detailed information about the equipment from the manufacturers. The note read, "Previous implementation of the subject project in other sectors may also be brought out to ascertain the credibility of the product."

Going by its experience with pellet guns, sources said the government has been careful about drawing unwanted attention in its mob management efforts in the restive Valley. It has also sought details about "normal threshold of pain for children" considering the use of kids as shields by protesters in Kashmir.

While security forces in the Valley have been using pellet shotguns to police protests since 2010, it has left scores of people injured. According to Amnesty International, pellet guns have so far killed 14 people in Kashmir.

Pellet guns are pump-action shotguns which fire a cluster of small, round, metal pellets with high velocity over a wide area. A pellet shotgun cartridge can contain up to 630 pellets. Once shot, the cartridge explodes and the pellets disperse in all directions, hitting everyone in their path. Pellet guns are, however, less lethal than bullets but can cause serious injuries, especially if they hit the eye.

TOO LARD
162 dB – Max continuous volume of sound cannon
130 dB – Usual threshold of pain
110 dB – Sutli bomb
60 dB – Normal conversation



https://www.dnaindia.com/india/repo...l-use-sound-to-disperse-stone-pelters-2764310

Here after valley abduls be like...

What an idea sirji...

Can be easily defeated with 3M workspace earplugs that cost like 200 rupees a pair.

I have a better solution for "crowd control," it's called 7.62 hollow-point. 100% success rate, 0% litigation afterward.

 

[dude00720]

We don't want private companies. We just want Technology and manufacturing. Why get obsessed with private companies? What is your problem if HAL makes AMCA or MWF? As long as the equipment is indigenised, that is all matters.

Because we dont want one company. we want a defence ecoystem. That means a full suite. Every big military country has private sector. That can be our strength. About HAL, I'm not sure they do the job well enough. Too many commies in their ranks who dont really want Indian aviation to succeed. Have classmates inside HAL who are diehard commies.

 

[IndiaRising]

basically no retaliation for 27 feb. this is confirmed now.

 

[Defcon 1]

Can be easily defeated with 3M workspace earplugs that cost like 200 rupees a pair.

I have a better solution for "crowd control," it's called 7.62 hollow-point. 100% success rate, 0% litigation afterward.

Not to mention that even troops will have to invest in such earplugs to defend themselves against LARD.

 

[Vijyes]

Russia hasn't given much either. Barely screwdriver tech

Are you joking? Russia gave Su30 Technology along with its engine Al31F to be made in India (not assembly but manufacturing). This itself amounts to massive Technology transfer. There are other ones like cryogenic engine and so on in the long list. USA gave nothing and even keeps throwing tantrums when India develops Technology.

What's your problem if private manufacture it? Lot of work has been lately subcontracted to private vendors that has increased defense production and exports. It's ADA who designs aircrafts and they always do their job very well. Problem comes with manufacturing.

HAL's production rate however improved (as components getting built by vendors) is still very low and needs to be improved

I have no problem. I am only telling that we need not delay things for private companies. Whatever comes first - private or PSU must be used in indigenisation.

You do not seems to understand rudimentary economics. HAL does not make economy, they eat up economy. Private Industry and Private companies make economy. India needs a defense industrial complex and not complexes of social justice unions.

Because we dont want one company. we want a defence ecoystem. That means a full suite. Every big military country has private sector. That can be our strength. About HAL, I'm not sure they do the job well enough. Too many commies in their ranks who dont really want Indian aviation to succeed. Have classmates inside HAL who are diehard commies.

My point is that if private companies take 20 years to be set up and brought to speed, we better go with PSU. We don't need private companies desperately that we have to wait for them to be developed. Indigenisation of Technology is critical. Private or PSU is secondary

 

[Gautam82]

India scraps Israel anti-tank missile deal after DRDO says will deliver alternative.

 

[dude00720]

basically no retaliation for 27 feb. this is confirmed now.

Thank God you're not an official Military strategist.

 

[AMCA]

Pakistani activists Rana Javed commited suicide after uploading a video on Facebook. He was an ex-army and ex JeM jihadi. His family was harassed and his brother who is in AMC was arrested by Pak Army for questioning Pakistan gernails.
https://m.facebook.com/ranajaved2222/posts/pcb.1049051232150958/?photo_id=1049048372151244&mds=/photos/viewer/?photoset_token=pcb.1049051232150958&photo=1049048372151244&profileid=100005075583763&source=48&refid=52&__tn__=EH-R&cached_data=false&ftid=&mdp=1&mdf=1

 

[Floydian]

Why can't we use those high-powered water cannons against those idiots?

 

[Brimstone]

basically no retaliation for 27 feb. this is confirmed now.

Confirmed how ..........................?

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Under an appropriate liberal democracy, Pakistan will cease to exist and reunite with India in long term.

Two nation theory has failed and the Pakistan what Jinnah founded has collapsed in 1971. Current one in our neighborhood is leftover of that crisis state. They need crises and propaganda to exist.

We do not need pakistani population to unite with us they are the danger not the military.

People think the military made pakistan like this,the truth is the people over there desire and military is shaped according to their liking.

And please democracy is not what makes india successful it is the indian people's properties and what makes pakistan so is the result of its people s properties .

Democracy is good when you are a minority to act as vote bank when we started out as majority we should have been authoritative and pressed our advantage and deghettozized muslim pop with education and other means like china.

 

[vampyrbladez]

India scraps Israel anti-tank missile deal after DRDO says will deliver alternative.

Post this in the appropriate thread.

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

In which case, you would be presently be in a re-education camp to have your opinions put where the sun doesn’t shine.....:biggrin2:

The Chinese need just patriotic men even more than the various govt orgs and media in india want .

People like me will do just fine.

Do you think all the concepts from the west that most of the westernized people from india get after being free thinking are good for us.

We get feminism, cultural marxism ,socialism and all degeneracy like this,if these types are put in rededication it would be good and I would support it.

 

[Deathstar]

Lol a threat is on PeeDF about Gafoora twitter engagement
One guy wrote Nato and likes should learn and emulate him on his Twitter engagement , what a deluded lot , even the expats are deluded

 

[Mikesingh]

PAF entered through Nowshera and poonch sector. This is official stand of Indian govt.

Nope! As I mentioned earlier, they did not. Read this......

Pak planes did not cross LoC during Feb 27 dogfight: Air chief Dhanoa

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[tomato]

From vtsol jockey:
"Pulwama happened on 14th, IN had localised this sub before balakot and by 4-5th Mar we were in a position to sink it. The 5-6th March strikes happened after that as we were now fully sure of taking out complete Pakistan in case of serious escalation. Pakistan backed off. We tried many more acts to force them into retaliation but they just kept quiet. Athmuqam was where we took out two APCs killing a Brigadier and two cols of PA. Than we took out three of their MBTs opposite Jammu. We took out their ammo dump opposite Akhnoor and then Tarbela. And they kept quiet."

So that seems to be the case!! we thrashed porkis bad ..couple of time after 27 just to poke and make them retaliate. These porkis have thick skin, no doubt they remain happy with sore rectum if u fu*k them multiple times in darkness.

 

[12arya]

Shanti Parva is the largest Parva of Mahabharata. It is the soul of Mahabharata as the sole aim of Mahabharata was to establish peace as per Dharma.

Without Shanti Parva Mahabharata is meaningless..........

since this is OFF TOPIC
let's agree to disagree bro

 

[Brimstone]

So that seems to be the case!! we thrashed porkis bad ..couple of time after 27 just to poke and make them retaliate. These porkis have thick skin, no doubt they remain happy with sore rectum if u fu*k them multiple times in darkness.

They got what they wanted. The incident of 27th was enough for them. All they wanted was to show their people that they took revenge. This tells us that their greatest fear is losing the image of a superior force in the region. Right now, PA is holding Pakistan together. Remove it or destroy it's facade and Pak fill fall apart.