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News, Images & Discussions on border skirmishes between Indian and China & Pakistan ..






Credit : @Bornubus

Keep this thread strictly on LOC, LAC skirmish related where regular and special forces of both sides are involve and not irregular warfare & counter insurgency ..

Post all counter-insurgency news and post here : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...perations-pictures-discussions.24605/page-252

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Link of first thread : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...kirmish-news-images-discussion.77768/page-164

Link of Second thread : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/loc-lac-ib-warfare.79327/
 

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http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chin...p-cut-report-1723603?pfrom=home-lateststories

Beijing: China will downsize its 2.3 million-strong army, the world's largest, to under one million in the biggest troop reduction in its history as part of a restructuring process, an official Chinese daily said.

The People's Liberation Army (PLA) will increase the numbers of other services, including navy and missile forces, the PLA Daily, the official newspaper of the Chinese military, reported.


Jun Zhengping Studio, a Chinese social WeChat account run by the newspaper published an article yesterday on structural reform in China's military, saying that "the old military structure, where the army accounts for the vast majority, will be replaced after the reform".

"The reform is based on China's strategic goals and security requirements. In the past, the People's Liberation Army focused on ground battle and homeland defence, which will undergo fundamental changes," the report said.

"This is the first time that active PLA army personnel would be reduced to below one million," it said.

It added that the number of troops in the PLA Navy, PLA Strategic Support Force and the PLA Rocket Force will be increased, while the PLA Air Force's active service personnel will remain the same.


According to the Ministry of Defence data, the People's Liberation Army had about 8.50 lakh combat troops in 2013. No official numbers of the total strength of PLA Army were released.

Earlier, Chinese President Xi Jinping had announced that the People's Liberation Army will be cut by three lakh troops. "The total PLA personnel was about 2.3 million before the country announced a cut of 300,000 troops in 2015," state-run Global Times reported.

"This reform will provide other services, including the PLA Rocket Force, Air Force, Navy and Strategic Support Force (mainly responsible for electronic warfare and communication), with more resources and inputs, and the PLA will strengthen its capability to conduct overseas missions," Xu Guangyu, a senior adviser to the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, was quoted by the media report.

The People's Liberation Army Daily article said that China's overseas interests were spread around the world and needed to be protected.

"These are beyond the army's current capabilities," Mr Xu said. The People's Liberation Army structure should fit China's international status, Xu added.


PS: This means India needs to beef up it's EW and arty capabilities in both production and deployment at LAC. The Chinese want to get more sophisticated.
 

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http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chin...p-cut-report-1723603?pfrom=home-lateststories

Beijing: China will downsize its 2.3 million-strong army, the world's largest, to under one million in the biggest troop reduction in its history as part of a restructuring process, an official Chinese daily said.

The People's Liberation Army (PLA) will increase the numbers of other services, including navy and missile forces, the PLA Daily, the official newspaper of the Chinese military, reported.


Jun Zhengping Studio, a Chinese social WeChat account run by the newspaper published an article yesterday on structural reform in China's military, saying that "the old military structure, where the army accounts for the vast majority, will be replaced after the reform".

"The reform is based on China's strategic goals and security requirements. In the past, the People's Liberation Army focused on ground battle and homeland defence, which will undergo fundamental changes," the report said.

"This is the first time that active PLA army personnel would be reduced to below one million," it said.

It added that the number of troops in the PLA Navy, PLA Strategic Support Force and the PLA Rocket Force will be increased, while the PLA Air Force's active service personnel will remain the same.


According to the Ministry of Defence data, the People's Liberation Army had about 8.50 lakh combat troops in 2013. No official numbers of the total strength of PLA Army were released.

Earlier, Chinese President Xi Jinping had announced that the People's Liberation Army will be cut by three lakh troops. "The total PLA personnel was about 2.3 million before the country announced a cut of 300,000 troops in 2015," state-run Global Times reported.

"This reform will provide other services, including the PLA Rocket Force, Air Force, Navy and Strategic Support Force (mainly responsible for electronic warfare and communication), with more resources and inputs, and the PLA will strengthen its capability to conduct overseas missions," Xu Guangyu, a senior adviser to the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, was quoted by the media report.

The People's Liberation Army Daily article said that China's overseas interests were spread around the world and needed to be protected.

"These are beyond the army's current capabilities," Mr Xu said. The People's Liberation Army structure should fit China's international status, Xu added.


PS: This means India needs to beef up it's EW and arty capabilities in both production and deployment at LAC. The Chinese want to get more sophisticated.

Shortage (if any) of manpower can be overcome from Chinese Paramilitary forces and interior troops. China spend a large budget on internal security too.

Now they are giving more importance to other arms such as Rocket Force and EW capabilities which make sense.


Beside India China and Pak deploy Border guards/ police / paramilitary on the border apart from regular troops

1st Joint Border patrol of China and Pak. Notice Pak Border police and Chinese Frontier defense regiment.

PoK Xinjiang border


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Is all quite on both the fronts now ?

What is going on at the China front?

Last heard India sent another 2500 personnel to China front.

I have found whenever ' hammerhead ' is silent something actually is going on at the front.

I also find his silence quite curious.
 

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Revealed: Pak Arming Hizbul Mujahideen With Chemical Weapons

New Delhi:
Pakistan is arming the terror group Hizbul Mujahideen with chemical weapons to carry out terror strikes in Kashmir, audio excerpts intercepted by security agencies have revealed.

These transcripts are undeniable and damning proof of how Pakistan is aiding and abetting terror activities in Pakistan. Terror outfits have lost 90 members to military offensives during the past few months, and hitting back with chemical weapons may be a desperate way for Hizbul to get back at the Indian security establishment.

According to the accessed transcripts, Hizbul members have already got their hands on these chemical weapons. Plans to use these weapons, primarily at forces, seem to be a desperate attempt to retaliate against the back-to-back successful offences launched by the security forces.

“Peer Sahib [LeT chief Hafiz Muhammed Saeed] wants me, but my people want me back. Our next programme will be after Eid...We will plan our next move after Eid,” says the transcript accessed by News 18.

Members of this outfit hope to surprise the Indian security forces, which have so far been dealing in conventional weaponry, with this chemical attack. “Inshallah, we are going to get lots of support from Pakistan...things are happening along the border. In days to come, Pakistan will step-up its anti-India game,’ a Hizbul operative can be heard saying at one point.

At another instance, this operative adds, “Till now we’ve used grenade launchers on the Indian army...killing just 3-4 and injuring a few. But now it’s time to change our tactics. We will straightaway use chemical weapons...to kill as many as possible at the same time.”

Hizbul Mujahideen is the biggest terror outfit in the Valley with around 200 active members. Its members are suspected to have aided Monday’s Amarnath Yatra attacks.

http://www.news18.com/news/india/revealed-pak-arming-hizbul-with-chemical-weapons-1459029.html

We cannot let our soldiers be sitting ducks to these attacks. We have to move in FAST!.
 

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Using chemical weapons will just accelerate the destruction of PAKISTAN.
There are no two ways about it. It will also result in full support of India for Balochi, Sindhi and KPK freedom movements.
I surely hope that Pakis know what they are walking into.
 

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"VINASH KALE VIPRIT BUDDHI"

Pakistan is on SUICIDAL path. The moment it uses chemical weapons the whole narrative of freedom fight will change and there will be no sympathy in whatsoever form towards perpetrators. Instead the world will unite and back India to teach lesson to Pakistan. The only nation which will support Pakistan is China. We may have to implement complete annihilation of Pakistan using nukes before dealing with China, which may then dither after seeing what India did to Pakistan. Situation doesn't looks good.
 

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Bhutan-China Border Mismatch

January 1, 2013 Editor Commentry 15

Bhutan shares 470 km border with China in North and 605 Km with India in East, South and West. To a giant China and tiny Bhutan it is 2 and 44 percent of their total border length, respectively. Today the two neighbors have disputes over 4500 sq km of land in patches in western and northern part of Bhutan.

Bhutan perceived the friction with China after latter took over Tibet in 1959. While China has border disputes with most of her 13 neighbors, relation with Bhutan has been out of bound to media. Maintaining silent diplomacy between the two countries, progress in delineation of the borders is done under most careful scrutiny of the governments. Regardless of the strategies chosen to ease out the cartographic friction, both governments have been claiming success to their mistakes.

Bhutan, under the patronage of India, began border talks with China in 1972 and continued until 1984. Thereafter, the Chinese side insisted on making the talks free of direct Indian influences. The situation came to hostility in 1988 when China began exercising her authority over the Chumbi valley, a plateau where strategic interests of India, China and Bhutan meet, if not overlap.

There are 7 regions where both Bhutan and China’s claims overlap. The most disputed remains the Doklam plateau in western Bhutan adjoining Yadung province of Tibet autonomous region. Since 1988, China has been proposing an exchange of pies. During the tenth round of Bhutan-China border talk held in Beijing in 1996, China offered to exchange 495 sq km area of Pasamlung and Jakarlung valleys (Where China and Bhutan overlap) in Bhutan’s north for Sinchulumpa, Dramana and Shakhtoe with total area of 269 sq km, in the western Bhutan. On July 13, 1997 BBC reported that Bhutan accepted the proposals. Bhutan, alone cannot take decision to share this pie, since Doklam plateau and Chumbi valley are equally vital for India. Subsequent bilateral talks yielded no results. China began construction of roads and infrastructure in these regions [Photo1]. It led to a decisive Sino- Bhutan agreement in 1998 called “Agreement on The Maintenance of Peace and Tranquility in the Bhutan- China Border areas-1998”.


Photo1 taken on 2008: The construction of roads by Chinese authority in the disputed region in western Bhutan. The further extension of the road construction has paused but the upgrading and maintenance is going on
In 2007, without having rational discussion on such important matter as the disputed border, Bhutan government published a revised map of the country excluding Kulakangri (KK), the tallest mountain of Bhutan, truncating the glacial reserve of mountain ecosystem in Bhutan Himalaya. There was no official response from China. Google map shows this region in the north with red lines (MAP0). In this altruistic attempt, Bhutan ‘generously’ ceded mountain KK (1754m) to China. The first sitting of the parliament under the fifth monarch that signed and rectified a palace drafted constitution thus inked the loss of territory for good. This has not solved the border issue with china.


Map 1: Google map shows the region excluded by Bhutan since 2007 with red in the North. The red marked region in the west is still under dispute

Photo 2: Kula Kangri 7,538 m in the Northern Gasa, Bhutan what was made to no man’s land since 2007, after excluding it from the map of Bhutan
As long as China cannot have 100 sq Km of Doklam in West, no other gift seem to please her. As the differences kept growing, China kept increasing her claim deeper down the northern border. Now diplomatically challenged Bhutan is left with too many creases to iron. Bhutan’s parliament, the responsible body to decide the border remains misinformed with responsibilities spilled off.

The Bhutanese parliamentarians are only informed that after excluding KK (Photo2) there are three regions under controversy with China (MAP1). The map, China has been using to claim the area within Bhutan, is kept away from their research and literary truth. Chinese claim map shows seven controversial overlapping regions (MAP2).


Map 1: Google map shows the region excluded by Bhutan since 2007 with red in the North. The red marked region in the west is still under dispute

Map2: A deformed map of Bhutan showing the region of differences, presented to the parliamentarians. The rhino horn in the northern Gasa was removed since 2007
1) Mountain ridge from Batangla to Merukla/Merugla upto Sinchela; 2) The mountain ridge from Sinchela to River Amo; along River Amo from River Amo to its confluence with River Langmarpo;

3) Region along the River Langmarpo from the confluence of River Lang-marpo and River Amo up to the confluence of Docherimchang; along River Rong from River Docherimchang confluence to Gomla; Gomla ridge from Gomla to Pankala, and Pankala ridge from Pankala to Dramana ridge; Dramana ridge from Dramana to River Tromo and River Zhiu confluence, River Zhiu from River Tromo- River Zhiu confluence to Lungkala; 4) The mountain peaks from Lungkala across Tremola, Jhomolhari, Wagyela, Gankar Punsum, Monla Karchung to Dompala; 5) The Paksamlung mountain peaks from Dompala to Chhoigongla, Yanjula and Neula upto Tshozam along; 6) The Menchhuma boundary from Tshozam upto Bodla and 7) along the mountain peaks, east from Menchhuma.

The Chinese claim is much more in area and specificity. She claims 7 regions from West to East. If Bhutan fails to handle China or if China succeeds to achieve her claims, Bhutan will lose up to 4500 Sq Km or more than 10 percent of the total land. Until 1990, the total area of Bhutan was 47,000 sq km. It is much less today. It may be noted that in 2008, each member of the parliament was requested to discuss the issue and reach to a conclusion at the earliest

  • The sources of the maps and photos are kept confidential on request of the provider
Editor’s Note : Govinda Rizal, originally from Lodrai, Gayglegphug is one of the Contributing Editors of the Bhutan News Service. He writes about the Bhutanese people in the country and in exile, and about Bhutan’s international border.
http://www.bhutannewsservice.org/bhutan-china-border-mismatch/
 

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Using chemical weapons will just accelerate the destruction of PAKISTAN.
There are no two ways about it. It will also result in full support of India for Balochi, Sindhi and KPK freedom movements.
I surely hope that Pakis know what they are walking into.
Its not a joke. They might use them on civilians and blame IA.
 
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