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I doubt NAMICA will be deployed in terrain like LoC. It was meant to supplement armoured thrust in Punjab and Rajasthan sectors.
Skirmishs at LOC, LAC & International Border
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Baba says...nag is in use. ...........
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Nag may be in use, but I'm saying that its difficult to deploy namica in such terrain..
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Message from Anantnag: Kashmir’s 'little Bin Ladens' are preparing to take their Chee-Haath to pan-India level
Now, as India struggles to make sense of Wednesday’s murderous fidayeen attack in Anantnag, what happened in Jalandhar should serve as a warning of the dangers that lie ahead
Inside Kashmir, there is a growing cohort of recruits willing to sacrifice their lives in fidayeen operations—something few were willing to do a generation earlier. Perhaps more important, the new-generation jihadists are seeking new fields for battle—their imaginations fired not by Kashmiri religious nationalism, but the global jihadist project.
For more than a year now, Al-Qaeda has been seeking means to transform the unwinnable war of attrition against Indian forces in Kashmir, by instead inflicting pain on the country’s cities.
The grenades tossed into the Maqsudan police station could prove to be the first shots fired by this new generation of little Osama Bin Ladens.
Little Bin Laden
Last week, one of the men behind the Punjab grenade attack, Abdul Hameed Lone, took charge of Kashmir’s fledgling Al-Qaeda unit—and of its project to transform the region’s conflict into a pan-India terror campaign. Born in 1990, to lower-middle class parents, Lone (also identified as Abdul Hameed Lelhari) grew up in the village of Lelhar, on the banks of the Jhelum, in the heart of southern Kashmir’s apple-growing country. His journey helps understand the generation of jihadists who have emerged from the debris of two decades of incessant conflict.
Lone completed his early school education from the Evergreen Public School, one of the private educational institutions that had sprung up across the region as public education collapsed amidst the conflict. In grade 5, though, straitened circumstances forced them to move him to a free, government school. Then, three years later, he dropped out of education altogether. He worked as a labourer, a cook, and then a mason.
Lone, family sources say, began exhibiting an interest in religion around this time. He turned to the Jama’at Ahl-e-Hadith—a neo-fundamentalist movement that was brought to Kashmir in 1925 by Sayyed Hussain Shah Batku, a Delhi seminary student who preached against the region’s Hinduism-inspired syncretic religious practices, such as worship at the shrines of saints, the veneration of relics, and the recitation of litanies before namaz prayers.
Early on, the Ahl-e-Hadith came under attack in Kashmir, from peasant clerics who charged Batku with being an apostate, and even the dajjal, or devil incarnate. Its message, though, resonated with an emerging, literate class. Though small, the historian Chitralekha Zutshi has pointed out, the “influence of the Ahl-e-Hadith on the conflicts over Kashmiri identities cannot be overemphasised”.
The Ahl-e-Hadith was founded by Sayyid Ahmad of Rae Bareli, who was killed at Balakot in 1831 while waging an unsuccessful war against Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s kingdom, a campaign that fired the minds of jihadists from the Jaish-e-Muhammad’s Masood Azhar, to leaders of the Indian Mujahideen—and Lone himself. It was in the Ahl-e-Hadith’s prayer meetings, police believe, that Lone, too, made his first contact with a jihadist group, the Lashkar-e-Taiba.
In early 2015, the Lone teenager—just 15—married Afroza, the daughter of a pious Ahl-e-Hadith family, from the nearby village of Drubgam. The marriage, family sources say, was brokered by members of the organisation. Its immediate consequence was to sever Lone’s ties with his own family: inside a week, the couple had moved out of the family home, into a one-room tin shed in Pul Lelhar’s swampy New Colony area.
Lone's name began appearing in police intelligence records early that summer, listing him as engaging in low-grade logistical work for the Lashkar-e-Taiba. He fled home in May 2018, leaving behind Rs 3.5 lakh, his share of the family property, with his wife.
Inspired by jihadist icon Zakir Bhat—the founding commander of Al-Qaeda’s unit in Kashmir who was slain earlier this month—he then drifted into the small but growing ranks of young Kashmiri Islamists who sought a jihad free of Pakistan’s influence.
The far enemy
Ever since 2017, Al-Qaeda’s south Asian leadership has been clear the energies of its Kashmir recruits ought be focussed on the far enemy, India—not its forces in Kashmir. In December 2017, Usama Mehmood, the second-in-command of Al-Qaeda’s South Asia operations , argued that the key to victory in Kashmir lay in attacking Indian cities. “India is already using 6,00,000 troops just to hold on to Kashmir”, Mehmood said in a statement. “If it is attacked in Kolkata, Bengaluru and New Delhi, it will come to its senses and release its grip on Kashmir.”
Then, in February, 2018, Zakir Bhat called for targeting “companies which are associated with the Government of India, or those foreign companies which have invested or wish to invest in India.” These, Bhat argued, were “those supporters and personnel who run the tyrannical and infidel system of India, protect it and give it advantage.”
In the view of Bhat, and others in his circles, Pakistan-based groups like the Lashkar had damaged the Kashmir cause, serving Islamabad’s interests rather than providing a real foundation for a genuine, jihadist mass uprising against India. For them, the answer lay in Al-Qaeda’s message of a perpetual jihad, free of the shackles of nation-states.
From the crowds of thousands who have gathered in southern Kashmir for his funeral, it’s clear his message has more than a little appeal. Those drawn to Al-Qaeda in Kashmir have often been middle-class youth, willing to give up their education and career prospects.
Fazil Bashir Pinchoo and Shahid Qayoom, charged by the National Investigation Agency with throwing the grenades in Jalandhar, were students at the local St. Soldiers Institute. Zakir Bhat himself dropped out of engineering college in Chandigarh to become a jihadist.
In several cases, links between Kashmir’s fledgling Islamic State branch and jihadists elsewhere in India have also emerged. For example, an NIA court recently convicted Ganderbal resident Sheikh Azhar-ul-Islam and Bhatkal-born Adil Hassan on charges of operating a transnational cell recruiting for Islamic State operations.
Modi’s strategy, ever since 2016, has been predicated on coercing Pakistan into shutting down its jihad factories. He’s had some success: for weeks now, faced with economic pressure and the threat of war, Islamabad has shut down an estimated 700 seminaries, closed training camps, and silenced prominent jihadists.
The Generals aren’t, it’s clear, quite willing to give up the game: undeterred by Balakot, they're willing to gamble India won’t risk war each time there’s a terrorist attack. Al-Umar, which claimed the Anantnag fidayeen attack, is based in Muzaffarabad, and led by Mushtaq Zargar, who has been harboured by Pakistan since he was released in the 1999 Indian Airlines hostages-for-prisoners swap.
Even if Pakistan is compelled to shut down jihadist operations on its soil, though, Lone’s story shows the problem won’t end there: India faces a generation which believes sacrificing their lives will open the doors to utopia.
In the absence of genuine political outreach to stall the youth rage in Kashmir, the government’s post-Balakot gains could prove illusory. For each terrorist eliminated, Lone’s story shows, there are several others lining up to die for the jihad—and willing to kill for it.
Time to break this new chee-haath, before comeback to bite us in the a*s.
Install surveillance cameras all over the state,use AI(similar to chinks) & machine learning to track every abdul who set foot outside of his home. Here after the motto should be,
"Observe,Track and Eliminate"
No need to play Mr.Niceguy any more.
- As India struggles to make sense of Wednesday’s murderous fidayeen attack in Anantnag, what happened in Jalandhar should serve as a warning of the dangers that lie ahead.
- Inside Kashmir, there is a growing cohort of recruits willing to sacrifice their lives in fidayeen operations—something few were willing to do a generation earlier.
- The new-generation jihadists are seeking new fields for battle—their imaginations fired not by Kashmiri religious nationalism, but the global jihadist project.
Now, as India struggles to make sense of Wednesday’s murderous fidayeen attack in Anantnag, what happened in Jalandhar should serve as a warning of the dangers that lie ahead
Inside Kashmir, there is a growing cohort of recruits willing to sacrifice their lives in fidayeen operations—something few were willing to do a generation earlier. Perhaps more important, the new-generation jihadists are seeking new fields for battle—their imaginations fired not by Kashmiri religious nationalism, but the global jihadist project.
For more than a year now, Al-Qaeda has been seeking means to transform the unwinnable war of attrition against Indian forces in Kashmir, by instead inflicting pain on the country’s cities.
The grenades tossed into the Maqsudan police station could prove to be the first shots fired by this new generation of little Osama Bin Ladens.
Little Bin Laden
Last week, one of the men behind the Punjab grenade attack, Abdul Hameed Lone, took charge of Kashmir’s fledgling Al-Qaeda unit—and of its project to transform the region’s conflict into a pan-India terror campaign. Born in 1990, to lower-middle class parents, Lone (also identified as Abdul Hameed Lelhari) grew up in the village of Lelhar, on the banks of the Jhelum, in the heart of southern Kashmir’s apple-growing country. His journey helps understand the generation of jihadists who have emerged from the debris of two decades of incessant conflict.
Lone completed his early school education from the Evergreen Public School, one of the private educational institutions that had sprung up across the region as public education collapsed amidst the conflict. In grade 5, though, straitened circumstances forced them to move him to a free, government school. Then, three years later, he dropped out of education altogether. He worked as a labourer, a cook, and then a mason.
Lone, family sources say, began exhibiting an interest in religion around this time. He turned to the Jama’at Ahl-e-Hadith—a neo-fundamentalist movement that was brought to Kashmir in 1925 by Sayyed Hussain Shah Batku, a Delhi seminary student who preached against the region’s Hinduism-inspired syncretic religious practices, such as worship at the shrines of saints, the veneration of relics, and the recitation of litanies before namaz prayers.
Early on, the Ahl-e-Hadith came under attack in Kashmir, from peasant clerics who charged Batku with being an apostate, and even the dajjal, or devil incarnate. Its message, though, resonated with an emerging, literate class. Though small, the historian Chitralekha Zutshi has pointed out, the “influence of the Ahl-e-Hadith on the conflicts over Kashmiri identities cannot be overemphasised”.
The Ahl-e-Hadith was founded by Sayyid Ahmad of Rae Bareli, who was killed at Balakot in 1831 while waging an unsuccessful war against Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s kingdom, a campaign that fired the minds of jihadists from the Jaish-e-Muhammad’s Masood Azhar, to leaders of the Indian Mujahideen—and Lone himself. It was in the Ahl-e-Hadith’s prayer meetings, police believe, that Lone, too, made his first contact with a jihadist group, the Lashkar-e-Taiba.
In early 2015, the Lone teenager—just 15—married Afroza, the daughter of a pious Ahl-e-Hadith family, from the nearby village of Drubgam. The marriage, family sources say, was brokered by members of the organisation. Its immediate consequence was to sever Lone’s ties with his own family: inside a week, the couple had moved out of the family home, into a one-room tin shed in Pul Lelhar’s swampy New Colony area.
Lone's name began appearing in police intelligence records early that summer, listing him as engaging in low-grade logistical work for the Lashkar-e-Taiba. He fled home in May 2018, leaving behind Rs 3.5 lakh, his share of the family property, with his wife.
Inspired by jihadist icon Zakir Bhat—the founding commander of Al-Qaeda’s unit in Kashmir who was slain earlier this month—he then drifted into the small but growing ranks of young Kashmiri Islamists who sought a jihad free of Pakistan’s influence.
The far enemy
Ever since 2017, Al-Qaeda’s south Asian leadership has been clear the energies of its Kashmir recruits ought be focussed on the far enemy, India—not its forces in Kashmir. In December 2017, Usama Mehmood, the second-in-command of Al-Qaeda’s South Asia operations , argued that the key to victory in Kashmir lay in attacking Indian cities. “India is already using 6,00,000 troops just to hold on to Kashmir”, Mehmood said in a statement. “If it is attacked in Kolkata, Bengaluru and New Delhi, it will come to its senses and release its grip on Kashmir.”
Then, in February, 2018, Zakir Bhat called for targeting “companies which are associated with the Government of India, or those foreign companies which have invested or wish to invest in India.” These, Bhat argued, were “those supporters and personnel who run the tyrannical and infidel system of India, protect it and give it advantage.”
In the view of Bhat, and others in his circles, Pakistan-based groups like the Lashkar had damaged the Kashmir cause, serving Islamabad’s interests rather than providing a real foundation for a genuine, jihadist mass uprising against India. For them, the answer lay in Al-Qaeda’s message of a perpetual jihad, free of the shackles of nation-states.
From the crowds of thousands who have gathered in southern Kashmir for his funeral, it’s clear his message has more than a little appeal. Those drawn to Al-Qaeda in Kashmir have often been middle-class youth, willing to give up their education and career prospects.
Fazil Bashir Pinchoo and Shahid Qayoom, charged by the National Investigation Agency with throwing the grenades in Jalandhar, were students at the local St. Soldiers Institute. Zakir Bhat himself dropped out of engineering college in Chandigarh to become a jihadist.
In several cases, links between Kashmir’s fledgling Islamic State branch and jihadists elsewhere in India have also emerged. For example, an NIA court recently convicted Ganderbal resident Sheikh Azhar-ul-Islam and Bhatkal-born Adil Hassan on charges of operating a transnational cell recruiting for Islamic State operations.
Modi’s strategy, ever since 2016, has been predicated on coercing Pakistan into shutting down its jihad factories. He’s had some success: for weeks now, faced with economic pressure and the threat of war, Islamabad has shut down an estimated 700 seminaries, closed training camps, and silenced prominent jihadists.
The Generals aren’t, it’s clear, quite willing to give up the game: undeterred by Balakot, they're willing to gamble India won’t risk war each time there’s a terrorist attack. Al-Umar, which claimed the Anantnag fidayeen attack, is based in Muzaffarabad, and led by Mushtaq Zargar, who has been harboured by Pakistan since he was released in the 1999 Indian Airlines hostages-for-prisoners swap.
Even if Pakistan is compelled to shut down jihadist operations on its soil, though, Lone’s story shows the problem won’t end there: India faces a generation which believes sacrificing their lives will open the doors to utopia.
In the absence of genuine political outreach to stall the youth rage in Kashmir, the government’s post-Balakot gains could prove illusory. For each terrorist eliminated, Lone’s story shows, there are several others lining up to die for the jihad—and willing to kill for it.
Time to break this new chee-haath, before comeback to bite us in the a*s.
Install surveillance cameras all over the state,use AI(similar to chinks) & machine learning to track every abdul who set foot outside of his home. Here after the motto should be,
"Observe,Track and Eliminate"
No need to play Mr.Niceguy any more.
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Here's a perfect example of Shekar Gupta opining....straight from his ass!!
This geezer is suggesting that 'public opinion' shouldn't matter to the Prime Minister!!
And further that despite Paki closing airspace to Indian public, Modi should've just flown over Paki land! :-(
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Why not RVV-SD/R-77-1 . VSTOL jockey from STF was saying a couple of weeks ago, India has already started inducting R-77-1 on an emergency basis... But, his Intel was right..
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V Stol, a navy veteran has some deep tenticles. His posts are taken seriously since nothing is coming out except crypted Baba. Only time will tell how correct he was on Terbela.
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Guys, IAF has placed emergency orders for R77 series some time back.
And it isn't R-77-1 but a more recent variant. VSTOL was right all along. And IAF has made many more urgent procurements from Russia and Israel. We get to hear about those deals which they want want us to know.
Rest assured, many things are happening. In the shadows. Many projects have been fast tracked, some have been put on a mission mode basis. Stuff is being bought. All in all IAF has learned some very important lessons from the 26th airstrikes inside Pakistan and from Pakistan's attempts to strike outlrinstallations on the next day.
And it isn't R-77-1 but a more recent variant. VSTOL was right all along. And IAF has made many more urgent procurements from Russia and Israel. We get to hear about those deals which they want want us to know.
Rest assured, many things are happening. In the shadows. Many projects have been fast tracked, some have been put on a mission mode basis. Stuff is being bought. All in all IAF has learned some very important lessons from the 26th airstrikes inside Pakistan and from Pakistan's attempts to strike outlrinstallations on the next day.
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Out of 212 million #Pakistani 50 million are mental and retard as per #Pakistan Media reports
now we know why they believe Gafoora and why a few forum posters from pak behaves like a headless chicken out
now we know why they believe Gafoora and why a few forum posters from pak behaves like a headless chicken out
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That thing has false flag op written all over it.
Iran supposedly drowned two JAPANESE oil tankers when PM Abe is in Iran to talk. For what, god knows?
If common Americans fall for it then they are possibly the stupidest people on earth.
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#BREAKING : #NarendraModi to Xi Jinping of #China - Keep off from #India #Pakistan issue. Its a bilateral issue No place for third parties to intervene! Onus is on #Pakistani establishment #PakistanArmy to crub terrorism! As pakis not done enough to crub terror on their soil
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Oh, they'll fall for it.
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Farooq Adbullah heckled, booed by Kashmiri Pandits in Srinagar temple, forced to return
Some of the Kashmiri Pandits who were present at the temple said leaders like Farooq Abdullah are responsible for their plight in Kashmir and elsewhere.
National Conference president and former Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Farooq Abdullah was heckled today in Srinagar by group of Kashmiri Pandits. He was prevented from entering the Jyestha Devi temple.
When Farooq Abdullah reached the temple, he was greeted with angry sloganeering. People booed him and raised slogans praising Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the BJP.
Some of the Kashmiri Pandits who were present at the temple said leaders like Farooq Abdullah are responsible for their plight in Kashmir and elsewhere.
Farooq Abdullah reportedly wanted to enter the wanted to enter the Jyestha Devi. Sources said he was forced to leave the temple without offering prayers. He tried to pacify the people but failed.
Thousands of Kashmiri Pandits are visiting the Kashmir Valley for religious pilgrimage.
https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india...dits-srinagar-jyestha-devi-1548113-2019-06-13
B*tch was greeted with ‘Modi Zindabad’, ‘Modi, Modi’ and
‘Har Har Mahadev’ slogans.
Oh,My, my,how the tables have turned.
Some of the Kashmiri Pandits who were present at the temple said leaders like Farooq Abdullah are responsible for their plight in Kashmir and elsewhere.
National Conference president and former Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Farooq Abdullah was heckled today in Srinagar by group of Kashmiri Pandits. He was prevented from entering the Jyestha Devi temple.
When Farooq Abdullah reached the temple, he was greeted with angry sloganeering. People booed him and raised slogans praising Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the BJP.
Some of the Kashmiri Pandits who were present at the temple said leaders like Farooq Abdullah are responsible for their plight in Kashmir and elsewhere.
Farooq Abdullah reportedly wanted to enter the wanted to enter the Jyestha Devi. Sources said he was forced to leave the temple without offering prayers. He tried to pacify the people but failed.
Thousands of Kashmiri Pandits are visiting the Kashmir Valley for religious pilgrimage.
https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india...dits-srinagar-jyestha-devi-1548113-2019-06-13
B*tch was greeted with ‘Modi Zindabad’, ‘Modi, Modi’ and
‘Har Har Mahadev’ slogans.
Oh,My, my,how the tables have turned.
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Baba says....tarbela happened...
@tigerhill says we destroyed 3 f26s.
Vstol says 4 f16s destroyed...
All are reliable source s....
If one f16 destroyed still I am a happy boy
@tigerhill says we destroyed 3 f26s.
Vstol says 4 f16s destroyed...
All are reliable source s....
If one f16 destroyed still I am a happy boy
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Nag are generally found in hot climate in plains and very very less in mountainous cool climate. So NAGs can be there in Chamb jaurian - Akhnoor area but that is where LAC starts, North of that NAG habitat so far is not found.
DODOs are making new varieties of Nags which can be manpacked but those are still eating rats in the labs. NAGPASH POOJA for those by DODOs is yet to conclude.
Indian Army Northern Command instead are in the process of importing some Israeli snakes called SPIKEs which will be there at a very few places where those can survive and go for Pakistani rats.
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Sarcasm at its best... lol...
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No sir it's not.. If US does not strike back at Iran militarily in some way, the damage done to American conventional deterrence and credibility,.. and to the psyche of its poodle Arabs is immense... And I can assure you a 100 percent, pussycat Trump ain't gonna hit back militarily at Iran..
American generals were telling everyone that sending 1500 troops (good enough for what?) to bases around Iran has deterred Iran from escalating... Now, they must eat their own words..
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