Skirmishs at LOC, LAC & International Border

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Ganju ka fir se poppat kat gaya...POK k kashmiriyon ne bola Pakistani hume loot rahe hein..hume pakistani k sath nhi rehna.
Quite a bit of it sounds made up, one of the civilian said he got a headshot while the bullet exited his jaw.
Apparently he is walking and talking just fine.

Taklu keeps saying to engage the army not the civilians.
I'd say, if you want to be engaged(which you don't) then stop using the civilian population as human shields.

I remember seeing in Mahaaz itself where taklu wannabe says that the IA had cleared a perimeter around its posts where as the pakis are firing from in between the Kashmiri civilian population.
 

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Quite a bit of it sounds made up, one of the civilian said he got a headshot while the bullet exited his jaw.
Apparently he is walking and talking just fine.

Taklu keeps saying to engage the army not the civilians.
I'd say, if you want to be engaged(which you don't) then stop using the civilian population as human shields.

I remember seeing in Mahaaz itself where taklu wannabe says that the IA had cleared a perimeter around its posts where as the pakis are firing from in between the Kashmiri civilian population.
I was shocked to see the opinion of locals.It was diplomatic anti pakistan opinion.

Yeah the kid walking with the gunshot would i was wondering what he was doing coz the bullet entered from the top of his head and he says he was standing..
 

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Ganju ka fir se poppat kat gaya...POK k kashmiriyon ne bola Pakistani hume loot rahe hein..hume pakistani k sath nhi rehna.
Seems like this video was uploaded without censoring by ISI. Seems like soon that bite may disappear from the video:pound:

Or that bite was deliberately inserted so that the video gets high visits on YouTube from Indians and they get paid by YouTube.:crazy:
 

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Seems like this video was uploaded without censoring by ISI. Seems like soon that bite may disappear from the video:pound:

Or that bite was deliberately inserted so that the video gets high visits on YouTube from Indians and they get paid by YouTube.:crazy:
they want to promote Pak army across in POK as angels

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Àwesome, Iranian port aka Chabahar is under our control. Omans port aka duqm is under our control. We have also accepted UAEs plan to store Oil in India which means we have obtained the last piece of the puzzle (filling up of our strategic oil reserves). And finally our forex reservers are at an all time high.

Quite a lot has happened in 2018.
This was actually started in 2014 when Modi came to power. That is the first time this word 'strategic reserves' was first talked about in the media. He ordered the building of storage facilities for oil for strategic reasons. Earlier we had a reserve of 20 days worth of oil required to run day-to-day life. The new storage has space for 3 months worth of oil. Enough to fight a war and pacify foreign powers and resume normal imports comfortably, after the war.

This was proposed in 2006, started in 2014, finished in 2018.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=136696

The Minister of State (I/C) for Petroleum & Natural Gas Shri Dharmendra Pradhan informed the Rajya Sabha in a written reply today that in 2006, an Expert Committee, constituted by the then Planning Commission, inter-alia, recommended to maintain a reserve, equivalent to 90 days of oil imports for strategic-cum-buffer stock purposes and/or buy options for emergency supplies from neighbouring large storages such as those available in Singapore.

The Government, through Indian Strategic Petroleum Reserve Limited (ISPRL) is setting up strategic crude oil reserves with storage capacity of 5.33 Million Metric Tonnes (MMT) at three locations viz. Visakhapatnam(1.33 MMT), Mangalore(1.5 MMT) and Padur (2.5 MMT). Also, Detailed Project Reports have been prepared for establishing additional crude oil reserves of 12.5 MMT at Chandikhol (3.75 MMT), Padur(2.5 MMT), Rajkot (2.5 MMT) and Bikaner (3.75 MMT).

At present, there is existing tankage of 14.8 MMT of crude oil and 13.7 MMT of petroleum products in the country which provides coverage of approximately 63 days as per consumption. Strategic crude oil reserves of 5.33 MMT being set up in phase-I and strategic crude oil reserve of 12.5 MMT in phase-II will give coverage of approximately 12 days and 28 days respectively as per present consumption.

Vishakhapatnam cavern has been commissioned and filled with crude oil. Mangalore and Padur caverns would be completed by March and May 2016 respectively.
 

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BAT action foiled.......................................
This is not going to end anytime soon.
Small arms like grenade launcher, LMG,sniper rifles r utmost importance to deal with these tangos.But our defence ministry and army is still busy in issuing tender then cancelling it .
 

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http://zeenews.india.com/india/man-...ation-shot-at-by-security-forces-2082318.html

Man tries to enter Budgam IAF base station, shot down by security forces

Jammu: An unidentified man, trying to intrude into the security zone of Indian Air Force (IAF) base station in Jammu and Kashmir's Budgam district, was shot down by security forces on Monday morning.

Around midnight, the unidentified individual tried to cross the security fence and came close to perimeter wall of the IAF air station, reported news agency ANI. The sentry gave warning shots but the man continued to proceed. Later, the forces shot at him.

According to latest reports, the man was believed to be mentally unsound. "Spot examination revealed that the individual of about 50-55 years of age, who appeared to be mentally challenged, has died in the incident," said a police spokesman.

"Despite repeated warnings from the sentry, the individual did not stop. The sentry fired some warning shots in the air, but the individual did not stop. The sentry (then) fired towards him," said a police spokesman.

The station authorities then informed the nearby Humhama police post and police officials rushed to the scene.

The unidentified person was not wearing footwear, was without winter clothing and had no identity card, he said.

"Pertinently, there is no habitation near the place of incident." He said the police has taken the body into custody and is in the process of ascertaining the identity of the man. "Help has been sought from nearby villages for identification of the individual," the spokesman said, adding that a case has been registered and a probe was on.

A case has been registered and an investigation has been started in the matter, said authorities.

In November 2017, a man was shot at and injured by the security forces after he tried to jump over the Air Force Hindon base wall in Ghaziabad. The man was shot in his left leg after he ignored the warnings of security personnel. He was later admitted to hospital for treatment.
 

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Move to counter China? IAF to operate Sukhoi at Jolly Grant airport for 'future' need

The Indian Air Force is activating civil airfield of Jolly Grant airport in Dehradun. A detachment of two Sukhoi (Su-30 MKI) aircraft will operate from the airport for two days – February 19 and February 20. This is being seen as a strategic move to counter China.

"The detachment would operate from the airfield for two days from Feb 19 for area familiarisation before returning to their parent base," the IAF said.

The move by the Indian Air Force (IAF) is viewed as India’s preparation for perceived Chinese aggression in near future, in the wake of violation of airspace in Uttarakhand and Himachal Pradesh in the past.

The move comes amid increasing assertiveness by Chinese soldiers along nearly 4,000 km-long Sino-India border which includes a portion in Uttarakhand.

According to officials, the IAF will operate two Sukhoi fighter jets will operate from the airport near Dehradun as part of a move to expand options for any future requirement.

"As a routine exercise of activating civil airfield by the IAF, a detachment of two Su-30 MKI aircraft would operate from Jolly Grant Airport in Dehradun," Indian Air Force said in a statement.

In June 2017, a suspected Chinese helicopter was sighted flying above Indian territory in Chamoli district in Uttarakhand, close to Sino-India border.

Superintendent of Police (SP) Chamoli Tripti Bhatt had told ANI, "The helicopter violated Indian airspace for over three to five minutes".

Meanwhile on Thursday, China had voiced its "firm opposition" to the visit of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to Arunachal Pradesh which it claims as part of South Tibet and said it would lodge a diplomatic protest with India.

"China's position on the China-India boundary question is consistent and clear-cut," said Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang in response to Modi’s visit to Arunachal Pradesh on Thursday.

"The Chinese government has never recognised the so-called Arunachal Pradesh and is firmly opposed to the Indian leader's visit to the disputed area," Geng was quoted as saying by state-run Xinhua news agency.

"We will lodge stern representations with the Indian side," he said.

(With PTI Inputs)
 

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http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/fierc...ries-to-push-infiltrators-under-firing-cover/

Fierce gunfight in Poonch as Pak tries to push infiltrators under firing cover

An infiltrator, suspected to be a Pakistani militant, was killed while three Army soldiers were injured, one of them seriously, in a major infiltration attempt tonight on the Line of Control (LoC) at Khari Karmara in Poonch district. Death toll of the infiltrators could go up as a couple of them were reportedly injured during the intrusion bid.
Sources told the Excelsior that troops observed infiltration attempt by the militants under the cover of heavy mortar shelling and firing by Pakistani troops at Khari Karmara in Poonch sector this evening and opened firing. While retaliating Pakistani shelling, the troops engaged the militants, numbering between three to four, who were making desperate bid to sneak into this side.
Heavy exchanges took place between the two sides for about an hour in which an infiltrator was killed while at least three Indian Army soldiers were injured. Intermittent exchange of firing continued till late tonight.
Three Army soldiers injured in Pakistan shelling have been identified as Sepoy Abhishek Pise, Shiva Ji Bhosare and Ashish Singh. They were evacuated from the site of shelling and admitted to the Military Hospital. Pise and Singh were stable while Bhosare had sustained injuries in the head.
Sources said Pakistani troops and infiltrators simultaneously targeted forward Army posts as desperate militants, who were equipped with arms, ammunition and explosives, made determined attempt to sneak into this side.
“The infiltration attempt was foiled,’’ sources said, adding that at least one of the infiltrators has been killed while the toll could rise to two.
This was second major infiltration attempt during past four days in Poonch district. The first such bid took place in Mendhar, which was also thwarted by the alert troops. There were reports that a couple of militants had been killed in failed infiltration bid at Mendhar though their bodies were not recovered on this side.
A Defence spokesman tonight said: “Pakistan army initiated unprovoked and indiscriminating firing from 5.15 pm along LoC in Poonch sector with a view to facilitate an infiltration attempt.
“The alert troops deployed along the LoC detected the movement, and engaged with effective automatic fire. Search and sanitization operation are in progress’’.
The Defence spokesman said Pakistan continued its nefarious designs of supporting and abetting infiltration across the LoC.
“The Army is keeping a strict and constant vigil across the LoC and is prepared to thwart any nefarious designs of Pakistan sponsored terrorists,’’ he added.
Recently, Northern Command chief Lt Gen Devraj Anbu had stated that over 300 militants were waiting across LoC to infiltrate into the Indian territory and that Army was taking all possible steps to ensure that the militants don’t manage to sneak-in.
Sources said the infiltration attempt could rise in the coming days as weather has started opening-up in some of the areas.
“The Army was devising its strategy accordingly,’’ sources said, adding that troops were maintaining very high alert along LoC in twin border districts of Poonch and Rajouri not only to tackle the ceasefire violations but also to foil infiltration attempts.
Twenty people—11 security personnel and nine civilians have been killed and over 75 others injured in Pakistan shelling along Line of Control and International Border in Jammu division since the beginning of this year.
Few days back, Indian Army had launched major fire assaults on the Pakistani troops along LoC especially the areas, where “unusual activity’’ was observed to ensure that any attempt by Pakistan to push militants into the Indian side or indulge in “other kind of mischief’’ was effectively thwarted.
Indian Army was using Light Field Guns, heavy 120mm mortars and anti-tank guided missiles to target Pakistan posts where militants were reportedly given shelter for infiltration into the Indian territory.
The massive action by India has forced Pakistan army to issue 35 red-alerts to its forces. Pakistan, according to sources, has now pressed panic buttons all along the LoC.
“The Indian Army, with all its Commanding Officers along the LoC being given adequate freedom of action, is hammering and bleeding the Pakistan army to deny it any tactical advantage of moral ascendancy along the LoC,’’ sources said.
If India lost 32 soldiers in ceasefire violations, infiltration and other incidents along the LoC in 2016 (another 30 laid down their lives in counter-terrorism operations in the hinterland), sources said nearly 130-140 Pakistani troopers were killed in the same year. The assessment is there are over 300 terrorists (the number could be even around 400) in and around launching pads along the LoC on Pakistan sides looking for an opportunity to enter into the Indian territory.
“In view of massive presence of militants along LoC, Indian troops are bracing up for “hot summer’’ both on LoC and hinterland and even possibility of tension defusing on the LoC also seems to be remote.
“Full freedom has been given to Commanders of Army posts along LoC in Jammu and Kashmir to effectively respond to any act of violence by Pakistani troops,’’ sources said.
We need to devise a new strategy to change the status quo in LoC. Pakis r using pakjabi cannon fodders as a bait
 
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Two soldiers injured in BAT attack along LoC in J&K

http://m.deccanherald.com/?name=htt...t/660298/two-soldiers-injured-bat-attack.html

In a first such attack this year, Pakistani soldiers of the Border Action Team (BAT) carried out an attack on the Line of Control (LoC) in Khari Karmara sector of Poonch district in Jammu and Kashmir, injuring two Indian soldiers.

"A BAT of Pakistani army launched an attack on a patrol operating in between the two posts inside the Indian territory. The Indian troopers bravely repulsed the attack, but soldiers were critically injured in the attack," sources said and added one intruder was also killed in the retaliatory action by the Indian army.

The critically injured soldiers were airlifted to a hospital in Udhampur for treatment.

"The ambush, carried out by the BAT of the Pakistan army, could have inflicted more damages if Indian troops weren't alert. The Army is on high alert and are ready to thwart BAT attacks. However, as the Pakistani army gave covering fire, the BAT wearing black combat uniform could cross over the LoC. They assaulted Indian Army's Area Domination Patrol but had to retreat after retaliation," they said.

Defence experts said that the Pakistan's Special Services Group (SSG) forms the core of the BAT, besides, dreaded terrorists from Lashkar-e-Toiba, Hizbul Mujahideen and Jaish-e-Mohammad outfits, for trans-LoC action up to a depth of one to three km.

"As Indian posts are closer to Pakistan in Poonch sector, the rugged terrain and thicker forests gives BATs an advantage to escape. The BAT usually mutilates the bodies of Indian soldiers to wage psychological warfare," they said.

The BAT camps, unlike the largely make-shift terror-training camps and launch pads across the LoC, consist of around 40-50 Pakistan Army regulars and commandos being specially trained for cross-border raids and ambushes, experts said.
 

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I fail to understand why we are not using thermobaric projectiles/FAE (Fuel Air Explosives). These projectiles suck out all the oxygen in the vicinity and then explode like a huge fire bomb. Now, these Pakis don't wanna get fried as that means they go to hell and not to the 72 virgins awaiting them in jannat..

Check it out....

 

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Two soldiers injured in BAT attack along LoC in J&K

http://m.deccanherald.com/?name=htt...t/660298/two-soldiers-injured-bat-attack.html

In a first such attack this year, Pakistani soldiers of the Border Action Team (BAT) carried out an attack on the Line of Control (LoC) in Khari Karmara sector of Poonch district in Jammu and Kashmir, injuring two Indian soldiers.

"A BAT of Pakistani army launched an attack on a patrol operating in between the two posts inside the Indian territory. The Indian troopers bravely repulsed the attack, but soldiers were critically injured in the attack," sources said and added one intruder was also killed in the retaliatory action by the Indian army.

The critically injured soldiers were airlifted to a hospital in Udhampur for treatment.

"The ambush, carried out by the BAT of the Pakistan army, could have inflicted more damages if Indian troops weren't alert. The Army is on high alert and are ready to thwart BAT attacks. However, as the Pakistani army gave covering fire, the BAT wearing black combat uniform could cross over the LoC. They assaulted Indian Army's Area Domination Patrol but had to retreat after retaliation," they said.

Defence experts said that the Pakistan's Special Services Group (SSG) forms the core of the BAT, besides, dreaded terrorists from Lashkar-e-Toiba, Hizbul Mujahideen and Jaish-e-Mohammad outfits, for trans-LoC action up to a depth of one
Better to start an offensive operation opposite of LoC and capture all the heights.
 

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"BAT se savdhan" one of the most common warning written in Hindi on LoC posts
we should capture few bats and make them sing in International Media.....

Not that we'll achieve something out of this in one go, but had to be repeated almost every possible occasion.

PA is almighty and invincible in the eyes of Pakis, we shouldn't leave any opportunities to prove that wrong. If PA faces heat and abuses, then there is high probability that they'll do some mistakes(another coup attempt or something) which further deteriorates Pak in International forums.

World knows that Pak sends it's Terrorists into India. Imagine the consequences if the world starts believing that Pak govt is sending its own army as Terrorists.
 
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Could be something else too which looks like a hole. My view on this is simple, congress will claim in coming elections that the LC skirmishes decreased due to their back channel talks.

Because that time communists were seen as friend under Hindi Chini bhai bhai slogan and pro USSR stature.



Can't do anything about it, the appeasement works well inside India so there fore same is tried with the rest of the world. Other reason is simple. The chaploos NSA's would do the chaploosi in their profession too, it's simple.

What would a foreign service officer know about security of India who has never seen how military communicates, has no knowledge of tradecraft, doesn't know the pain of losing an asset, has never experienced fear of being caught and tortured, never seen an encounter, and who has not known the enemy from close? But lived on perks and lavish houses abroad allotted by the government, lived on finest rums and spent hours in luxury cars. You can't expect anything from them in the matter of security. Security becomes dependent on diplomacy only and the counterpart diplomats don't give a damn about that. Diplomacy is way different from negotiation.



And why wouldn't they use it? They will also share the lapse and other sort of things with the rest of the world. And especially China. So that China can build a pattern on diplomatic moves related to security at UNSC.


Yes and that's what Modi quotes their own congressi leaders time after time in the parliament. To be honest, neither congress knows and nor the BJP what to do.
Indira's strategy worked due to cold war. The only mistake she did was she aimed at Nobel peace prize. And I am afraid Modi is aiming for that too. But I tell you neither Pakistan nor China would allow that to happen.

India has already lost big oppurtunity to teach them a good lesson in 2008. After that Pakis have beefed up their security and analyzed all moves which could be taken by India. And now the chinese are on their soil. This move was very calculative although Pak has risk of being consumed by China but they are ready to take it. That's the only loop whole left on their part and one of the two option which can be taken by India.
Otherwise India has now no option. And these skirmishes will continue even after 4 years.



Kashmir is a hyped problem. this is what I believe, you teach lesson to pakistan the Kashmir problem will die. But then you also have to be sure that no one third takes advantage of India Pak rivalry. Because India knows Pakistan can be managed but if other powers mingle it could bring unrest in India on the basis of religion and other things. And Pakistan would become only an excuse to start, as it is a muslim country.
Claming back channel talks, would be expose congress for what they are, It would be good for the people to decide but, I highly doubt they will do that. It would be a self goal, of highest order.

The whole Hindi-Chini Bhai, Bhai was a sham, and every sane minded person then knew about It, expect Nehru. Why would the PM select the person collecting funds and organizing seminars to justify the Chinese invasion of India. At a point when the whole Nation was singing "Yad karo Kurbani" Traitors like Mani were given Foreign service, what was the expectation ? Another Chinese invasion, this time taking Assam for good.

How has appeasement worked well inside India ? You understand the drubbing Congress got was much more due to appeasement of certain community than corruption ghotalas etc. Even recently the Samajwadis got a good realization in UP state elections for their appeasement policies.

If top bureaucrats, NSA, Army Generals start becoming chaploos then God save this country, I know the NSA under UPA-I vetoed Sonia's plan to give Siachin on platter to Pakistan. He also vetoed Chiddu's treachery of allowing Jihadi Habib Bank in India.

Military's job is to fight wars, Diplomacy is done by diplomats who are usually bureaucrats. This has happened ever since the man started fighting wars, and in statecraft, It is expected of the bureaucrats and military both to understand each other's methods, limitations etc. Both make each other complete, without the bureaucrats the Military is aimless, and without Military bureaucrats are teeth less in their negotiations. When Military mixes with bureaucracy then you have a disaster called Pakistan.

Yes why wouldn't the Pakistan use Indian dossiers and copy English lines and format to make their own dossiers, all the more reason to rubbish this appeasement policy by the likes of Mani, which you seem to be advocating here, has been at the cost of our blood and money.

Indira is no more, Modi is here, Mani is also here, when Indira was doing what she was doing against Pakistan whole country and opposition stood with here, unlike Congress and their messenger Mani, who according to you is doing this as an election strategy to win votes.

The skirmishes will continue for 1000s of years till humans pick up arms and fight wars, I don't understand what is your problem with skirmishes, or are you expecting everyone to follow recent Chinese methods of bringing sticks and stones for a fight ?
 

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