Skirmishs at LOC, LAC & International Border

[vampyrbladez]

Common sense is also more important just like facts and evidence. Let me explain it to you more briefly.

Porkis are not going to engage in any direct conflict. They are going to use proxies, liberals, urban naxals. This is why i said we have to concentrate on us more.

After the air strikes, we know pakistan is gonna do something. Why were we not fully prepared? why were their jets not blown right away after entering our air space? India is not a small country, it has 8 times more GDP than pakistan.

What facts/evidence you need for police to citizens ratio & police equipment being trash?

Facts or GTFO! I have been here longer than you and unless you can prove your argument, GTFO!

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Facts or GTFO! I have been here longer than you and unless you can prove your argument, GTFO!

Be easy and always assume good faith for fellow members.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Be easy and always assume good faith for fellow members.

This guy is attempting flame baiting Sirji. I am trying to contain muck to this thread.

 

[mist_consecutive]

1. MiG 21 BiS have a single good tactic. This was used by WCO Abhinandan during the 27th Feb 2019 air battle.



https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...21-bison-versus-pakistani-f-16-viper-bullshit

Apart from that,

1. Mig-21 has the fastest scramble time of any jet currently in IAF. Hence used as a point-defense fighter.
2. Mig-21 delta wing config gives it not only an excellent instantaneous run rate but also good sustained turn-rate (F-16 excel in sustain turn rate). Complete delta-wing fighters like Mirage/Rafale/Typhoon suffer from poor sustained turn rate because they bleed airspeed fast while turning.
3. Mig-21s acceleration is phenomenal, able to reach Mach 2+ (but rarely pushed that far) in no time.

2. This devil's advocate behavior turned Kashmir into a muzzie terror haven.

https://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2018/07/islam-in-kashmir-a-brief-history-of-conversion/

Nothing of such sorts in the article, but I get what you are trying to say. Anyway, just trying to say Pakistanis and liberals increase traffic in this forum, which is actually indirectly good, plus they keep the conversation going with their retard logics.

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

3 pigs killed..................

The Kill Count has again Increased to 5 [ Mod Edit: --Redacted for being low quality -- ] in the Buner District of KPK by TTP Rebels. The Revenge for Veergati of Our Jawans has been taken.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

At least have some trust.
All Indophobic forces don't have a hue cry against BJP for no reason. Obviosuly they are yet an underdog fighting against a 60 years old deep state and success will arrive gradually. Efforts don't necessarily produce desired result always. But it isn't an excuse to give up.

Could you imagine actions pursued in past 2 years to happen in 70 years? Stay and fight for your homeland dude. This is OUR country.
We are much stronger than those ordinary small states who perished under Islamism and became caliphates. We aren't likely to lose is that easily. And even if we are fated to lose in 100 if not 50 years, why not die fighting for your society than running away?

Exactly brooo
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But abhi ka india modi ka h
Action reaction dekho

 

[vampyrbladez]

Apart from that,

1. Mig-21 has the fastest scramble time of any jet currently in IAF. Hence used as a point-defense fighter.
2. Mig-21 delta wing config gives it not only an excellent instantaneous run rate but also good sustained turn-rate (F-16 excel in sustain turn rate). Complete delta-wing fighters like Mirage/Rafale/Typhoon suffer from poor sustained turn rate because they bleed airspeed fast while turning.
3. Mig-21s acceleration is phenomenal, able to reach Mach 2+ (but rarely pushed that far) in no time.

Nothing of such sorts in the article, but I get what you are trying to say. Anyway, just trying to say Pakistanis and liberals increase traffic in this forum, which is actually indirectly good, plus they keep the conversation going with their retard logics.

1. a) MiG 21 BiS is the latest variant and it cannot face off against any modern fighter. It's Kopyo M radar has 80 km range.
b) Most modern fighters can turn inside a MiG 21.
c) MiG 21's TWR ensures it can't even hope of matching any modern fighter.

2. I know very well these backstabbers try to sneak in and gas light here. That was the norm pre 2012.

 

[indus]

We can attack baki on LoC but attack on our forces is by Kashmiri muslims ,this one acc to sources was a single man targeted a naka of CRPF, hid his AKM under his pheran ,in the 90s army would simply not allow KMs to come anyway near them let alone in a pheran ,BSF was more ferocious,it had a concept of collective punishment and ruthlessness ,CRPF operates free helpline called CRPF madad to help same kashmiri muslims who conspire with the enemy ,they don't operate any helpline in any other part of india ,Marathas had a concept of total warfare where the enemy civilian population was also eliminated ,the sooner we understand this concept lesser will be our battle casualties

+100
I presume CRPF is seen as an easy target by the jihadis. May be due to heavier arms, ammo and training the local Jihadis do not engage R.R or IA in general. For they would be hooried within minutes. So mostly we see IA engaging cross border infiltration or BAT attacks which must be carried out by hardened Pakis rather than local KMs. Therefore the local KMs are better used to attack our para millitary as they secure the hinterland and are more vulnerable than R.R guys. Also,IMO there is still scope for improvement between inter services communication, deployment and intel sharing. For the same jihadi could have attacked a regular Army convoy or station had he gone full crazy.

 

[vampyrbladez]

 

[Tony HMG]

We can attack baki on LoC but attack on our forces is by Kashmiri muslims ,this one acc to sources was a single man targeted a naka of CRPF, hid his AKM under his pheran ,in the 90s army would simply not allow KMs to come anyway near them let alone in a pheran ,BSF was more ferocious,it had a concept of collective punishment and ruthlessness ,CRPF operates free helpline called CRPF madad to help same kashmiri muslims who conspire with the enemy ,they don't operate any helpline in any other part of india ,Marathas had a concept of total warfare where the enemy civilian population was also eliminated ,the sooner we understand this concept lesser will be our battle casualties

KPS Gill followed a similar policy in Punjab to quell the bhindrawale terrorism. His force simply eliminated the complete family of militants. This created a massive fear factor for khalistanis. The paki civilians and pro paki Kashmiri muslim population needs to ruthlessly decimated first. All this Kashmiri peace and love shit programmes done by crpf should be stopped.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

This guy is attempting flame baiting Sirji. I am trying to contain muck to this thread.

You can argue in a civil way too. He's being pessimistic, not abusive. Better you don't start it, you're a senior member.

 

[vampyrbladez]

You can argue in a civil way too. He's being pessimistic, not abusive. Better you don't start it, you're a senior member.

Chalo aap kehte ho Sirji toh baccho ko capital punishment nahi denge!

 

[mist_consecutive]

KPS Gill followed a similar policy in Punjab to quell the bhindrawale terrorism. His force simply eliminated the complete family of militants. This created a massive fear factor for khalistanis. The paki civilians and pro paki Kashmiri muslim population needs to ruthlessly decimated first. All this Kashmiri peace and love shit programmes done by crpf should be stopped.

Well, terrorists are indeed ruthlessly eliminated, and their family kept under close watch, especially siblings of the terrorists (happens to be quite a number, eh!) who are prone to follow their brothers for seeking revenge.

Problem is, not all the population is hostile, in fact, most of them are neutral (with a pessimistic attitude towards India, also actively found trait in communists of India).
Hostility varies, with Srinagar and localities being very hostile towards forces (not Tourists!) and northern parts, less so, southern districts like Jammu has a more pro-India stance.

Militancy/opposing govt. in Kashmir is taken more like a cool-dude symbol among teens and young adults, unfortunately, and are highly prone to picking up arms. The older people who know and have seen the events unfold, are more composed and are focused upon a better quality lifestyle just like any other Indian.

Problem is, if we start eliminating these people who are neutral/OGWs, others will be motivated to join militancy in higher numbers. And a situation will arise where it will be no less than a genocide of Kashmiri people.

 

[aarav]

+100
I presume CRPF is seen as an easy target by the jihadis. May be due to heavier arms, ammo and training the local Jihadis do not engage R.R or IA in general. For they would be hooried within minutes. So mostly we see IA engaging cross border infiltration or BAT attacks which must be carried out by hardened Pakis rather than local KMs. Therefore the local KMs are better used to attack our para millitary as they secure the hinterland and are more vulnerable than R.R guys. Also,IMO there is still scope for improvement between inter services communication, deployment and intel sharing. For the same jihadi could have attacked a regular Army convoy or station had he gone full crazy.

Let's be clear RR works only in hinterland & the policing role has been delegated to CRPF back in the days it was to BSF ,BSF was also engaging with the enemy on its own ,BSF on its own finished Ghazi Baba the JeM chief of kashmir ,it also finished the AL Badr top leadership but then HM decided that BSF primary role of border security was getting affected especially in Eastern border hence CRPF was deployed,there was a viral video some years back where a CRPF jawan was beaten by a KM this in unexpected that such a thing would happen to Army or BSf trooper but there seems to be lack of enthusiasm ,how could a man just walk up to you and down 3 buddies ,it is because top leadership of CRPF has no clear thinking & so called human rights issue has taken over the top leadership hence these facade of CRPF madad ,Unless & Until you give pain to the colluding local populace there won't be deterrent and eliminating a large number is a sure shot deterrent .

 

[Bhadra]

Oh poor guys .... died in a Skirmish....

 

[Bhadra]

https://openthemagazine.com/features/india/the-khaki-fidayeen/
Some of the best soldiers of India fighting against Pakistani terrorism in Kashmir. Most of them headed the Much feared SOG in their prime. A look into their "daily routine"

No... they are "skirmishing".... a freindly match ...

 

[SatanHell]

Both terrorist Killed In encounter in shopian were Buried at unidentified place in Baramulla . https://t.co/TaGiBUHyP6

 

[vampyrbladez]

Oh poor guys .... died in a Skirmish....

Sir, being a defence professional this kind of banter is unbecoming of you!

 

[aghamarshana]

Sir, being a defence professional this kind of banter is unbecoming of you!

Maybe, he has his reservations regarding the title and content of this thread.
Even I was thinking the title and content doesn't match, hope admins look into it.

The doubt is legit. Is this a skirmish? Or a war? And wat actually is the thread about when we have all the action being posted here itself? Also it is difficult to dig through for info.

Untill B'kot we had different threads for CI/CT ops, and LoC/LAC. Now that rest of them are dormant(some even locked), all K stuff is posted here. Difficult to go through archived threads, searchin the clutter.

Now that the forum got some new polishes and sorting out the threads and sections, it is gd to start here - a topic which sees most visitor traffic.

Mods, pls look into creating different threads with apt nomenclature.
1. CI/CT ops in the vale/jammu.
2. LoC and IB developments -cfvs,bat actn etc.
3. Thread exclusive for LAC, with any future skirmishes pinned to the main thread.

Jus make it like a fine Evernote shelf, all sorted.
Get the old threads back.
@Indx TechStyle @ezsasa

 

[aarav]

Policing role ? And what does policing constitute ?

About killings 0 better do not make false claims.



HM does not decide that. It was Kargil Committee report that recommended one police force to be given one role and CRPF has been made as "Internal Security" force growing from hundred to three hundred battalions. twenty more DIGs, so many IGs , so many hi tech weapons etc ? But where is "Internal Security"? That is still elusive even after tweny years of Cabinet Committee accepting to give all goodies to CRPF ?



Those are "policing hezards" and being "Internal Security" force? why cry about it ? Train well and fight well ? CRPF has been given every thing possible.

BSF has done many operations in Kashmir until they were pulled out it is you who is making false claims & try to act know it all everywhere