Skirmishs at LOC, LAC & International Border

[Anikastha]

Cross Posting:

Vstol cant be joking, seems baba has lot more to reveal..View attachment 35590

post link of this particular thread...........please..

 

[Deathstar]

Did they retaliate for 100s killed in balakot?
or Did they retaliate for their gang bang at LOC? OR 3rd SS as mentioned by rajnath?Heck
Did they even retaliate for SS1? Terror attacks not counted as they happen regularly and much more frequently in Pakistan.
Then why and how will they retaliate now,
At best they will waste a lot of missiles and bombs that too from a long long distance away and run away from LOC itself at the site of abhinandan's moustache.

Infact i wish they retaliate so that we can kick them again , PDF guys have become quite overconfident these days ,need to spit on their faces

 

[Butter Chicken]

#PKMKB Farming continues

 

[amit19]

quoiting from sf forum Vistol replies to a senior Paki troll:
"
Really, Do you know about Operation Ginger? The two officers of Pak Army who had tortured Capt Kalia and his soldiers and mutilated their bodies were tracked by our intelligence for three years. The main guy was than posted in that area where Operation Ginger took place. Our SF guys went in to avange Captain Kalia and his jawans. over 25 Pak Army guys were killed including that Major and his head was chopped off and brought to India to be nailed on a tree within the compound of the Brigade to which Capt Kalia belonged. The second officer was killed five years after that as he was undergoing a course in UK. We killed him as well.
We are now tracking the ISI operatives who tried to torture Wg. Cdr. Abhinandan. All those guys will meet the same fate. We Indians never forget and nor forgive. Badla toh liya hee jayega.
You abducted our retired Commander from Iran who was not even a spy. We abducted your ISI operative of similar rank from Nepal. This is our capability.
"

 

[sorcerer]

#BreakingNews : Ceasefire violation by #Pakistan. #PakistanArmy resorted to small arms firing to Heavy mortars Shelling in #Poonch sector #LOC. #IndianArmy giving befitting reply to the cowards.

 

[Deathstar]

quoiting from sf forum Vistol replies to a senior Paki troll:
"
Really, Do you know about Operation Ginger? The two officers of Pak Army who had tortured Capt Kalia and his soldiers and mutilated their bodies were tracked by our intelligence for three years. The main guy was than posted in that area where Operation Ginger took place. Our SF guys went in to avange Captain Kalia and his jawans. over 25 Pak Army guys were killed including that Major and his head was chopped off and brought to India to be nailed on a tree within the compound of the Brigade to which Capt Kalia belonged. The second officer was killed five years after that as he was undergoing a course in UK. We killed him as well.
We are now tracking the ISI operatives who tried to torture Wg. Cdr. Abhinandan. All those guys will meet the same fate. We Indians never forget and nor forgive. Badla toh liya hee jayega.
You abducted our retired Commander from Iran who was not even a spy. We abducted your ISI operative of similar rank from Nepal. This is our capability.
"

I searched operation Ginger and it showed a cross border raid on LoC in which we cut off 3 heads of paki soldiers as revenge in 2011
Never the less , i was watching LoC Kargil movie yesterday and i literally cried for our heroes but i read Kalia's father was still striving for justice to punish porkies for war crimes but now reading this it feels good

 

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[amit19]

I searched operation Ginger and it showed a cross border raid on LoC in which we cut off 3 heads of paki soldiers as revenge in 2011
Never the less , i was watching LoC Kargil movie yesterday and i literally cried for our heroes but i read Kalia's father was still striving for justice to punish porkies for war crimes but now reading this it feels good

We all knew this much that a raid happened and we killed pakis. But i feel vistol got just a bit carried away and made op Ginger moto public. Given the times ,this info coming in public domain (on def forum domain) is good !!!

vaaaeesee bheee aaabheee Time hooo gaayaa hai - PKMKB !!!

 

[Raziel]

Great to hear ,but if according to him we could have targeted other f-16 sq's then why leave them? why are we still playing message message ?
Pakis would have hid it anyway, replacing them would have been quite difficult under current economic and diplomatic conditions, If not then it would have created further pressure on Pakis .
Also was ssg hq targeted, my gut says it must be ,coz they tried to target our hq .

Just like a cat plays with its prey before ending its misery, IAF has made a statement that nothing is out of their reach. I read they chose Tarbela F-sholas because those were used for the attempted attack on Indian military bases on 28th March.

 

[scatterStorm]

Some more info on Tarbela incident. The tweet by @SanjeevM quotes a reputed member vstol on strategic front forum.

If it's not official from IAF than this never happened. A strike of this scale will certainly roll some eyeballs to there news agencies because certainly expensive assets started burning up (F16s), someone or somebody will break the silence and will talk.

 

[akk]

Just like a cat plays with its prey before ending its misery, IAF has made a statement that nothing is out of their reach. I read they chose Tarbela F-sholas because those were used for the attempted attack on Indian military bases on 28th March.

28th March? What happened on 28th March?

 

[Raziel]

Jai Bharat Mata! Jai Modi! Jai Baba!

B of M of P

 

[Raziel]

28th March? What happened on 28th March?

Sorry... 27th it is.

30 characters mara lein apni.

 

[akk]

Sorry... 27th it is.

30 characters mara lein apni.

I guess you are referring to 27th Feb.

 

[amit19]

#PKMKB Farming continues

these ones ?????? ......... (refering 25 May tweet)


OR it may be new guns 155

 

[vampyrbladez]

Revision for you guys. Essentially why we fight.

External factors succeeded in shutting down core Army intelligence ops


Abhinandan Mishra | Published : February 9, 2019, 7:04 pm | Updated : February 9, 2019, 7:04 PM

New Delhi: At least 10 covert operations outside India were carried out by a tiny specialised unit of the Indian Army, the Technical Service Division (TSD), which was formed in May 2010 after General V.K. Singh took over as Chief of Army Staff. These included operations that prevented 26/11 Mumbai-type attacks of 2008 from taking place. However, once Gen Singh retired in May 2012, the TSD was disbanded after being portrayed as “rogue” by several media reports that were based on so-called information leaked allegedly from the laptops and pen-drives of serving Army officers. There was intelligence that external forces inimical to India’s interests were attempting the shutting down of this unit, according to Gen Singh.

Gen V.K. Singh, who is now a Minister of State in the NDA government, had pointed out in a letter to the then UPA Ministry of Home Affairs in 2013 that the winding up of the TSD had resulted in the Army being “left with no covert operation and weak counter-insurgency capacity”, thus resulting in an increase in cross-border terrorism.

Though the details regarding what the division achieved in less than 24 months of its existence was never made public, sources who were familiar with its working revealed that the details of its operations, if made public, would wash away the ignominy of it being a “rogue” unit, which was tagged to it in the last few months of its existence.

The TSD was engaged in carrying out covert operations outside India which involved gathering intelligence based on technical and human intervention, acting on those intelligence inputs and taking pre-emptive measures and conducting strikes of retribution against the entities that were engaged in anti-India operations.

The unit was brought into existence after the failure on the part of the agencies to get advance intelligence on the 26/11 Mumbai attack.

A section within the Army leadership, encouraged by the office of the National Security Advisor, felt that the Army too should have the capability to carry out limited, covert strikes outside the country to prevent any such further attacks.

The unit, when it was functioning to its full capacity, comprised at least six officers, five JCOs and 30 men who were working from a two-storied building in the Delhi Cantonment area and was reporting directly to Gen V.K. Singh.

When The Sunday Guardian contacted some of the officers who were a part of the division or played a part in its formation, they were not ready to disclose any information about the unit.

After his retirement, on 13 November 2013, Gen Singh wrote a letter to then Union Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde seeking action against government servants, defence officials and some private individuals for leaking information about the existence of the division and maligning it, which ultimately led to it being disbanded.

The letter reads: “The Indian Army had a unit called the Technical Service Division (TSD). It was set up to accomplish covert operations in other countries. It was a very important wing because it was the only unit which could perform this task. Given the nature of the work, the whole unit worked in a secretive and ‘camouflaged manner’. TSD is a covert operation agency, activities of which are directly related to the safety of the soldiers fighting on the borders, retribution on the enemy and the security of the citizens. By its very nature TSD operation was ‘top secret’. In that event, even the existence of TSD should never have been publicised. Further, if there is exposure of the actual working of the top-secret unit, leaking information about it could be treacherous, regardless of whether information is true or not.”

Yet, information about it was leaked to the media, which went to town painting it as a “rogue” agency riddled with “irregularities”.

Gen Singh also mentioned in the same letter that “there was an intelligence report which clearly warned that a few anti-national elements are conspiring to defame TSD by leveling false allegations and giving wide media coverage on the issue as the name of the unit has already been tarnished on several occasions. As a consequence of these acts prejudicial to the defence of India and the security of the State, TSD has been wound up and Indian Army is left with no covert operation and weak counter-insurgency capacity.”

“It is widely believed that if TSD had not wound up, the recent Samba attack by Pakistan-based elements (wherein several soldiers including a Lt. Col. were killed) could have been avoided. There is also widespread belief among senior Army officers that the scrapping of the TSD is a major reason why there has been a spurt in cross-border intrusions over the past year leading to the death of several soldiers and civilians,” Gen Singh had added in the letter.

When approached by this newspaper to confirm whether he had received the letter and if any action was taken on the basis of it, Shinde sounded evasive. “I don’t know… I don’t know. If at all he had any complaint, he should have come personally and met me at that time,” he said, adding that he later saw the letter. However, he ended the conversation commenting that “No General can write to the Minister in that language in which the letter was written.”


https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/...re-army-intelligence-ops#.XF-w0H7TffE.twitter

 

[ezsasa]

Revision for you guys. Essentially why we fight.

External factors succeeded in shutting down core Army intelligence ops


Abhinandan Mishra | Published : February 9, 2019, 7:04 pm | Updated : February 9, 2019, 7:04 PM

New Delhi: At least 10 covert operations outside India were carried out by a tiny specialised unit of the Indian Army, the Technical Service Division (TSD), which was formed in May 2010 after General V.K. Singh took over as Chief of Army Staff. These included operations that prevented 26/11 Mumbai-type attacks of 2008 from taking place. However, once Gen Singh retired in May 2012, the TSD was disbanded after being portrayed as “rogue” by several media reports that were based on so-called information leaked allegedly from the laptops and pen-drives of serving Army officers. There was intelligence that external forces inimical to India’s interests were attempting the shutting down of this unit, according to Gen Singh.

Gen V.K. Singh, who is now a Minister of State in the NDA government, had pointed out in a letter to the then UPA Ministry of Home Affairs in 2013 that the winding up of the TSD had resulted in the Army being “left with no covert operation and weak counter-insurgency capacity”, thus resulting in an increase in cross-border terrorism.

Though the details regarding what the division achieved in less than 24 months of its existence was never made public, sources who were familiar with its working revealed that the details of its operations, if made public, would wash away the ignominy of it being a “rogue” unit, which was tagged to it in the last few months of its existence.

The TSD was engaged in carrying out covert operations outside India which involved gathering intelligence based on technical and human intervention, acting on those intelligence inputs and taking pre-emptive measures and conducting strikes of retribution against the entities that were engaged in anti-India operations.

The unit was brought into existence after the failure on the part of the agencies to get advance intelligence on the 26/11 Mumbai attack.

A section within the Army leadership, encouraged by the office of the National Security Advisor, felt that the Army too should have the capability to carry out limited, covert strikes outside the country to prevent any such further attacks.

The unit, when it was functioning to its full capacity, comprised at least six officers, five JCOs and 30 men who were working from a two-storied building in the Delhi Cantonment area and was reporting directly to Gen V.K. Singh.

When The Sunday Guardian contacted some of the officers who were a part of the division or played a part in its formation, they were not ready to disclose any information about the unit.

After his retirement, on 13 November 2013, Gen Singh wrote a letter to then Union Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde seeking action against government servants, defence officials and some private individuals for leaking information about the existence of the division and maligning it, which ultimately led to it being disbanded.

The letter reads: “The Indian Army had a unit called the Technical Service Division (TSD). It was set up to accomplish covert operations in other countries. It was a very important wing because it was the only unit which could perform this task. Given the nature of the work, the whole unit worked in a secretive and ‘camouflaged manner’. TSD is a covert operation agency, activities of which are directly related to the safety of the soldiers fighting on the borders, retribution on the enemy and the security of the citizens. By its very nature TSD operation was ‘top secret’. In that event, even the existence of TSD should never have been publicised. Further, if there is exposure of the actual working of the top-secret unit, leaking information about it could be treacherous, regardless of whether information is true or not.”

Yet, information about it was leaked to the media, which went to town painting it as a “rogue” agency riddled with “irregularities”.

Gen Singh also mentioned in the same letter that “there was an intelligence report which clearly warned that a few anti-national elements are conspiring to defame TSD by leveling false allegations and giving wide media coverage on the issue as the name of the unit has already been tarnished on several occasions. As a consequence of these acts prejudicial to the defence of India and the security of the State, TSD has been wound up and Indian Army is left with no covert operation and weak counter-insurgency capacity.”

“It is widely believed that if TSD had not wound up, the recent Samba attack by Pakistan-based elements (wherein several soldiers including a Lt. Col. were killed) could have been avoided. There is also widespread belief among senior Army officers that the scrapping of the TSD is a major reason why there has been a spurt in cross-border intrusions over the past year leading to the death of several soldiers and civilians,” Gen Singh had added in the letter.

When approached by this newspaper to confirm whether he had received the letter and if any action was taken on the basis of it, Shinde sounded evasive. “I don’t know… I don’t know. If at all he had any complaint, he should have come personally and met me at that time,” he said, adding that he later saw the letter. However, he ended the conversation commenting that “No General can write to the Minister in that language in which the letter was written.”


https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/...re-army-intelligence-ops#.XF-w0H7TffE.twitter

I think it is safe to say that mistakes of the past have been rectified now.

 

[sorcerer]

With killing of 05 terrorist & 101 for last five months ,an average of 20 each month so far. This includes 25 foreign terrorists & 76 local, belonging to Jaish e Mohammad,LeT HM & AGH.


JK Pwalice

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Is this the same VSTOL jockey who claimed to be developing a fighter plane on his own for IAF?
If yes then take his word with a pintch of salt.
Baba on the other hand is more accurate though.