Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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Kumaoni

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Unnecessary loss of your own peoples lives should be avoided, defensive wars are costly in so many ways, gone are the times when battles used to be in open grounds and warriors had a code. Now just look at the wimps called sports athletes, do you see any character? Atleast Russia wins, India unfortunately lost every time it showed mercy just to be stabbed in the back 100 times. You would expect both countries would learn from their history. In India, its satyamev jayathe, exactly what you said but....
Not really india never lost to Pakistan and stalemated or defeated China whenever
 

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Actually this is the moot point, once Russia is done away. No country will be able to withstand the might of NaTo which effectively paves the way for colonialism 2.0
Bar none, all empires or powers bite dust. This is the eternal truth. Energy gets expended and transformed, it does not stay still usually. Russia or not, the way west is heading, it will collapse into something that barely identifies its past.
 

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Why do you think it is a strange combination in order to be a member of DFI?
How many white American male in their 60s born in New York with German/Irish ancestry are their on DFI?

Don't get me wrong I'm all in on inclusivity and welcome everyone's views and opinion.

He does bring in a unique prospective.
 
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You can bet on gold that Russia will not launch any sort of anti-satellite missile towards ANY starlink chain..

I think you underestimate the amount and altitude of Starlink satellites, and don't understand the physics of orbit. Hitting a satellite physically does not mean it will simply deorbit -- instead thousands of pieces of debris will originate from it and only a small fraction of them will deorbit in the next 24 hours. The rest will scatter around staying in orbit, and then those debris will strike other satellites with a very fast relative velocity, creating even more debris.

It is over for LEO space insertions if that happens, and it is basically the closest we will get to WW3. Infact, I daresay, it will trigger WW3 itself.

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Each one of those dots is ONE starlink satellite...



This happened because of a rocket failure. They were released at about 1/3 the altitude they are usually released at.

.. now imagine what happens when all of them orbit at 500km above the Earth(very little drag), and someone blows up just one satellite, and we create a Kessler syndrome?

Here's a Chinese anti-satellite test conducted in 2007:
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It generated almost 3,000 pieces of new debris that could hit anything, and much of it is still in space after a decade and a half.. and the satellite that was blown up (FY-1C) was orbiting just 300km higher than the Starlink satellites.

This was just ONE satellite. Now imagine what happens when a full chain of Starlinks is killed off?
There's a term for this cascade chain reaction of space debris , " Kessler syndrome".
 

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I don't see the war as a football match where you support the team whose play you enjoy the most.

Apart from moral reasons (Russia is an aggressor and bully, Putin tries to be a tzar, ruling till he dies and that rarely ends well), for us, central Europeans, the support of Ukraine is a matter of stability. We had centuries of wars where territories switched owners numerous times, always by the rule "strongest takes it all", until some status quo was achieved. Noone here wants the scenario where stronger states start rewriting borders as they please again.
Lol! Becoming an American slave to save your country from Russians . NATO/EU is an instrument of americunts new world order & deep state in US wants total destruction of European economy .
 

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One reason I didn't want visa ban for Russians...slows the brain drain.
Most skilled and talented people have left Russia at the beginning of war with steady flow out constantly.
Now people who don't want to get mobilized will now try to immigrate out. These are not always the most skilled and talented people.
European countries also have a limit to number of Russians immigrant they can accommodate without straining or annoying or alienating local popule.
 

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Actually this is the moot point, once Russia is done away. No country will be able to withstand the might of NaTo which effectively paves the way for colonialism 2.0
Afghan cavemen and vietnamese rice farmers have just entered the chat. NATO fanhood is a classic case of fawning over a fake rolex. they have the worst miitary record in this century of all major or regional powers.
 

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NATO soldiers are better trained, train for longer, and better equipped than Indian, Russian or Chinese soldiers. US is a lot better at executing individual military missions. But, whether, NATO can translate the same to victory in the war, is highly debatable..
sorry, that is nonsense propaganda. Better trained and equipped militaries don't lose more wars than the so-called lesser trained lesser equipped ones against similar adversaries.
Nato is the military version of bangladesh in cricket- lotta talk, shittier results than their rivals.
 

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sorry, that is nonsense propaganda. Better trained and equipped militaries don't lose more wars than the so-called lesser trained lesser equipped ones against similar adversaries.
Nato is the military version of bangladesh in cricket- lotta talk, shittier results than their rivals.


I'm sure the Taliban can also launch strikes at a similar efficacy. 🤡
 

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I'm sure the Taliban can also launch strikes at a similar efficacy. 🤡
they clearly can launch strikes to defeat your nattu and get them to run away. Dikhaawa republic day parade style vs a power that Pakistan itself can defeat inside of a month is cute, but no dice.

maybe come back with your 'hurr durr nato is better trained than indian troops and more capable' when they actually WIN a war in this century. so far they are 0-2 ( Afg & Syria).

We dont care about claims of competency & expertise from losers, sorry.
 

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they clearly can launch strikes to defeat your nattu and get them to run away. Dikhaawa republic day parade style vs a power that Pakistan itself can defeat inside of a month is cute, but no dice.

maybe come back with your 'hurr durr nato is better trained than indian troops and more capable' when they actually WIN a war in this century. so far they are 0-2 ( Afg & Syria).

We dont care about claims of competency & expertise from losers, sorry.
You're drowning in some propaganda. NATO has consistently proved itself to defeat any sort of enemy with military force in a reasonable time. Occupation after the battle is a separate thing. I am talking about the war-fighting potential, not administration.

By the logic you use, even Alexander the Great or Zorawar Singh did not win any wars, because even though they crushed their enemies, they did not effectively administer the areas they won.
 

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sorry, that is nonsense propaganda. Better trained and equipped militaries don't lose more wars than the so-called lesser trained lesser equipped ones against similar adversaries.
Nato is the military version of bangladesh in cricket- lotta talk, shittier results than their rivals.
Better equipped - definitely, but better trained?? Not at all!!
 

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