Project-17A Nilgiri-class Frigate Thread

[Covfefe]

I'm sorry my Mandarin is as shit as Xi's English, all I heard was "Bang Bang gong gong", could you translate, thank you.

It's GongBang

 

[Nationalist Manasvi Papa]

The Opium War in 1984 was not only the beginning of China's opening of the country, contact with Western industrial civilization, and integration into the unity of the world, but also the beginning of large-scale cultural penetration of Western capitalist countries into China. Since then, the industrial civilization and modern lifestyles, new values and ideologies of Western capitalist countries, and cultural traditions and ways of thinking that are completely different from China's have begun to impact the nerves of the Chinese people with incredible speed and intensity. After the drastic changes in Eastern Europe and the disintegration of the Soviet Union, with the prestige of the Cold War and the rapid development of computer and network technology, in the context of economic globalization, the developed Western capitalist countries headed by the United States have accelerated their efforts towards China and the vast number of developing countries. And even the pace of cultural dissemination and cultural penetration all over the world. The propaganda and promotion of Western culture in China is unprecedented, but what is more worthy of our attention is that Western culture and values have also been widely recognized and accepted in China, and the impact has been unprecedented.



The cultural penetration of CAA into China developed rapidly after the end of the Cold War, showing unprecedented intensity, breadth and depth, and its transmission methods also showed diversity and concealment.

CAA's full name is "Creative Artists Agency LLC", which is translated as "Innovative Elite Culture". It is headquartered in Los Angeles, California, USA. It was founded by Michael Ovitz and other 5 people. It is currently the largest entertainment brokerage company in the United States and even the world. Its business scope includes film, television, music, drama, sports, video games, Internet media and many other fields, and participates in global cultural and entertainment investment.

At present, CAA's cultural invasion and ideological infiltration in my country mainly include:

1. Through news media dissemination, CAA makes use of its own information technology advantages and monopoly over dissemination media to publicize its social system and basic values, and to attack and censure countries with different values.

Second, through popular culture, with the help of various traditional media and means. CAA (China) has organized, sold and financed more than 80 Chinese-language films, facilitated Sino-US cultural investment of US$780 million, and contacted producers and actors for more than 40 well-known domestic reality shows. It has signed contracts with Feng Xiaogang, Chen Kexin (Hong Kong) Director), He Jie (film and television screenwriter), Zhao Wei, Yang Yang (Winter Olympic champion), Song Yuning (musician) and other well-known directors, screenwriters, actors, athletes, musicians, and many film and television media production companies such as "Yunji Future Media" . Such as: movies, entertainers, television, radio, books, publications, advertisements, etc., dumping their cultural products, publicly or covertly promote their social and political ideas, ideologies and lifestyles, subtly affecting some people in developing countries Especially the way of life and way of thinking of young people.

3. Through the influence of economic activities, promote their culture and values with the help of multinational companies and foreign trade, and use physical commodities as a medium to promote their own culture. The main purpose of this approach is to change the way of life of the Chinese people, and it mainly focuses on changing the traditional Chinese cultural environment.

Fourth, the impact through educational channels. Education is the most direct way to change a person's quality and thinking mode, and it is also a behavior that has a decisive influence on the future development trend of a country. With the advantages of educational resources such as economy, technology and talents, developed countries in the West are promoting their own educational values, educational models and teaching methods around the world. Through cultural infiltration in the field of education, Western countries have easily achieved the purpose of exporting their values, and at the same time, they have also plundered the outstanding talents in various fields that our country has cultivated with a lot of funds.

Fifth, through the emerging media Internet. Relying on the interactive, permeable and virtual nature of the Internet, CAA often promotes Western values on the Internet and spreads a negative and decadent way of life, which has serious adverse effects on the young generation of our country. The emergence and popularity of emerging forums and self-media in recent years has exacerbated this trend. The impact and harm of online games on Chinese teenagers' physical and mental health cannot be ignored.

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@ezsasa @Mods please remove

 

[thebakofbakchod]

MDL Lays Keel of Final P17A Frigate for Indian Navy - Naval News

Indian shipbuilder Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Ltd (MDL) laid the keel of the seventh P17A frigate for the Indian Navy.

www.navalnews.com

it will be criminal if we let the yards go empty again. Another batch of p17a/b needs to be ordered.

 

[Adm Kenobi]

Another batch of p17a/b needs to be ordered.

Is IN willing to retire Brahmaputra and batch 1 of Talwar for it?

 

[Lonewolf]

Is IN willing to retire Brahmaputra and batch 1 of Talwar for it?

If we order now first of additional will arrive near 2030 and that's when first of brahmaputra needs retirement

 

[Vamsi]

If we order now first of additional will arrive near 2030 and that's when first of brahmaputra needs retirement

Aren't they already planning for NGF?

 

[swapcv]

Aren't they already planning for NGF?

yup, but I think design is yet to even be finalized. Going by how things are, it would be a cleaner and slightly more heavily armed version of the P-17A itself.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Aren't they already planning for NGF?

I guess 5 ships are planned under NGF

 

[Adm Kenobi]

If we order now first of additional will arrive near 2030 and that's when first of brahmaputra needs retirement

Okk, so you are willing to retire ships after 25 yrs of service? Brahmaputra is yet to get a MLU, and you wouldn't upgrade a ship that you intend to operate <10 yrs (8 yrs to 2030).
But it's not impossible either, ships do get replaced when they have the replacement ready to enter service.
Let's assume they will be retired around 2030 for the sake of discussion, where will NGF fit in after a follow on order?

As per the current situation and plan, total liabilities are worth 1,20,890cr (the amount to be paid, for ongoing projects). IN expects the modernisation budget to be ~2,76,256cr for the 5 yr time period (FY23-28).

The projects planned to be cleared/start in the time period are worth 1,99,252.70cr (part 1) and 2,50,571.53cr (part 2). These are total projects costs. I believe a successor to P17A (which is NGF) is part of that part-1 or 2, there is no space for a follow on order, I wish there was space for a P17A and P15B follow on..but there isn't any. IN plans to directly jump onto NGF (numbers unknown) & NGD (5) which would start construction in late 20s and commissioning in early-mid 30s.

MDL and GRSE are two yards which are presumed to go dry after P17A...until NGF's & NGD's construction starts, but GRSE has an order of 8 ASW SWC and 4 NG-OPV to keep the production line active for a couple of yrs. As for MDL...it will need more orders from IN till NGD' production starts (late 20s) there's a 4-5 Yr gap (between the launch of last P17A and keel of 1st NGD). MDL has to be competitive for the bidding of 8 NGCs that can keep the yard running for the time being.

 

[Adm Kenobi]

Okk, so you are willing to retire ships after 25 yrs of service? Brahmaputra is yet to get a MLU, and you wouldn't upgrade a ship that you intend to operate <10 yrs (8 yrs to 2030).
But it's not impossible either, ships do get replaced when they have the replacement ready to enter service.
Let's assume they will be retired around 2030 for the sake of discussion, where will NGF fit in after a follow on order?

As per the current situation and plan, total liabilities are worth 1,20,890cr (the amount to be paid, for ongoing projects). IN expects the modernisation budget to be ~2,76,256cr for the 5 yr time period (FY23-28).

The projects planned to be cleared/start in the time period are worth 1,99,252.70cr (part 1) and 2,50,571.53cr (part 2). These are total projects costs. I believe a successor to P17A (which is NGF) is part of that part-1 or 2, there is no space for a follow on order, I wish there was space for a P17A and P15B follow on..but there isn't any. IN plans to directly jump onto NGF (numbers unknown) & NGD (5) which would start construction in late 20s and commissioning in early-mid 30s.

MDL and GRSE are two yards which are presumed to go dry after P17A...until NGF's & NGD's construction starts, but GRSE has an order of 8 ASW SWC and 4 NG-OPV to keep the production line active for a couple of yrs. As for MDL...it will need more orders from IN till NGD' production starts (late 20s) there's a 4-5 Yr gap (between the launch of last P17A and keel of 1st NGD). MDL has to be competitive for the bidding of 8 NGCs that can keep the yard running for the time being.

And another thing, GSL is also manufacturing frigates and wouldn't receive a follow on order for those. GSL would be finishing off with the 2 Talwars around mid 20s launching would happen years before that. Would it run dry too? No. GSL has to build 7 NG-OPVs which can keep the yard busy for another couple of years. GSL was supposed to have the contract for 12 manned MCM vessels, but those seem to be off the table now and GSL "could" get the order for new MCM (Autonomous Surface Vessel) that is under development.

 

[gslv markIII]

GRSE has an order of 8 ASW SWC and 4 NG-OPV to keep the production line active for a couple of yrs

GSL has to build 7 NG-OPVs

When did this happen? There was no news of the same being awarded to these yards.

BTW ASW-SWC isn't a huge deal for a yard as big as GRSE, and they are already subcontracting it to L&T Kattupalli.

 

[Adm Kenobi]

When did this happen? There was no news of the same being awarded to these yards.

BTW ASW-SWC isn't a huge deal for a yard as big as GRSE, and they are already subcontracting it to L&T Kattupalli.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...als-with-indian-navy/articleshow/90362146.cms

And the quarterly financial statements, (talks about NG-OPV in Q4 FY22 one iirc).

4th NG-OPV by 2029 if all goes well.

And GRSE will also be competing for NGC (which can sustain the line till 2031 if placed after NG-OPV), MDL should be worried

 

[flanker99]

When did this happen? There was no news of the same being awarded to these yards.

BTW ASW-SWC isn't a huge deal for a yard as big as GRSE, and they are already subcontracting it to L&T Kattupalli.

First aswswc was supposed to be delivered this year for trials wonder what happened?

 

[flanker99]

Another deal that haven't heard for a long time is NGMV ...IIRC CSL was the l1 what happened after?

 

[abingdonboy]

Okk, so you are willing to retire ships after 25 yrs of service? Brahmaputra is yet to get a MLU, and you wouldn't upgrade a ship that you intend to operate <10 yrs (8 yrs to 2030).
But it's not impossible either, ships do get replaced when they have the replacement ready to enter service.
Let's assume they will be retired around 2030 for the sake of discussion, where will NGF fit in after a follow on order?

As per the current situation and plan, total liabilities are worth 1,20,890cr (the amount to be paid, for ongoing projects). IN expects the modernisation budget to be ~2,76,256cr for the 5 yr time period (FY23-28).

The projects planned to be cleared/start in the time period are worth 1,99,252.70cr (part 1) and 2,50,571.53cr (part 2). These are total projects costs. I believe a successor to P17A (which is NGF) is part of that part-1 or 2, there is no space for a follow on order, I wish there was space for a P17A and P15B follow on..but there isn't any. IN plans to directly jump onto NGF (numbers unknown) & NGD (5) which would start construction in late 20s and commissioning in early-mid 30s.

MDL and GRSE are two yards which are presumed to go dry after P17A...until NGF's & NGD's construction starts, but GRSE has an order of 8 ASW SWC and 4 NG-OPV to keep the production line active for a couple of yrs. As for MDL...it will need more orders from IN till NGD' production starts (late 20s) there's a 4-5 Yr gap (between the launch of last P17A and keel of 1st NGD). MDL has to be competitive for the bidding of 8 NGCs that can keep the yard running for the time being.

Yeah no major ship orders in the last 2-3 years means that around 2025-6 all the large ship deliveries to IN will cease

by 2025-7 all P-15B, P-17A, 11356 (third batch Talwar) will be handed Over to them along with IAC-1

2025-2030++ IN hits another dry spell with few deliveries of significance

NGD
NGF
NGC
IAC-2
NGMV
FSS
P75I
SSN
etc etc

are all paper designs and contracts haven’t even been awarded. Modi govt is throwing away post 2024 just to win 2024

The way things are going 2027-2035+ no major ships will be entering IN service at the exact same time the PLA(N) stretches its legs into IOR

With leadership like this, who needs enemies?

 

[flanker99]

 

[Adm Kenobi]

Today at 1230

 

[Adm Kenobi]

Some good quality pics from this twitter user-

Some screenshot from the live stream.

 

[kamaal]

Why aren't we exporting them ? Are there potential customers for P17 As ?

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Why aren't we exporting them ? Are there potential customers for P17 As ?

Lets use it first...apna pet bharjayega tab export sochenge.