P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

[Super falcon]

Do they built indigenously?

 

[Super Flanker]

Do they built indigenously?

All of these will be designed and built Indigenously.

 

[Super falcon]

These destroyers will be more than 13000 ton category more powerfully than these Chinese destroyers

 

[SUPERPOWER]

These destroyers will be more than 13000 ton category more powerfully than these Chinese destroyers

Who is funding these Haramis!!!

 

[karn]

These destroyers will be more than 13000 ton category more powerfully than these Chinese destroyers

Birader .. don't you'll have a lot more important things to worry about now.

 

[swapcv]

These destroyers will be more than 13000 ton category more powerfully than these Chinese destroyers

I'll believe when I see the first one transiting through the Arabian Sea, flying the PN Ensign, until then, one can dream for free lol.

 

[abingdonboy]

These destroyers will be more than 13000 ton category more powerfully than these Chinese destroyers

Let’s hope so, might give the IN a good kick up the backside to green light some pending efforts of theirs but like pretty much every Pakistani super weapon pan of the last 20 years this is mere fantasy, Pakistan is back at the IMF begging bowl

 

[THESIS THORON]

These destroyers will be more than 13000 ton category more powerfully than these Chinese destroyers

what happend to su 35 deal

 

[vampyrbladez]

Some interesting tidbits I found on the P-18 / NGD :

Dixit Doshi: Sir any update on the RAC of five destroyers of 50,000 Crores?

Narayan Prasad: Right now, with the funds availability with the Navy and as per the maritime perspective plans, they have to decide and this does feature in their five yearly plan. We do not know as to when they are going to formulate and come with an RFP, but it is very much of part of their Maritime Capability Perspective.

https://mazagondock.in/images/pdf/Mazagon-Dock-Business-Update-Call-13112021-Transcript-181121.pdf

No mention of the NGD in the February, 2022 MDL Earnings Call

https://mazagondock.in/images/pdf/transcript-investor-update-call-14022022.pdf

Yet we see the NGD appear again in the Details of Acquisition as of March 2022 :

Per IDRW, Indian Navy may look to release the RFP in 2024-2025 which matches the statement of the earnings call from June 2021.

https://idrw.org/indian-navy-to-finalize-next-generation-destroyer-class-configuration-by-2024-25/

Regarding the other program that we talked new generation destroyer. The new generation destroyer is at a conceptual stage, but it is a part of the maritime capability perspective plan, it is again a mega program costing at about 50,000 crores. If you look from now, another about 3- 4.5 years, that is a time when they're going to take out the, I would say RFP and another about 1-1.5 years from thereon, is the likely contract conclusion.

https://mazagondock.in/images/pdf/investor-update-call-transcript-29062021.pdf


Interestingly, the Indian Navy has stopped talking about the NGF and there is a lot of activity regarding the NGMC which begs the question, is the NGMC a proxy NGF given that the NGMV fulfills all the parameters of a Kora Class replacement ?

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Interestingly, the Indian Navy has stopped talking about the NGF and there is a lot of activity regarding the NGMC which begs the question, is the NGMC a proxy NGF given that the NGMV fulfills all the parameters of a Kora Class replacement ?

Not quite. NGC and NGF are still different. I remember that in the Perspective Plan, Navy mentioned NGD and NGF in the same entry. While NGC was different. So don't think we'll see NGF merge into NGC.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Some interesting tidbits I found on the P-18 / NGD :



https://mazagondock.in/images/pdf/Mazagon-Dock-Business-Update-Call-13112021-Transcript-181121.pdf

No mention of the NGD in the February, 2022 MDL Earnings Call

https://mazagondock.in/images/pdf/transcript-investor-update-call-14022022.pdf

Yet we see the NGD appear again in the Details of Acquisition as of March 2022 :

https://www.**************.org/foru...oft-word-27th-report-approved-docx-png.22944/

Per IDRW, Indian Navy may look to release the RFP in 2024-2025 which matches the statement of the earnings call from June 2021.

https://idrw.org/indian-navy-to-finalize-next-generation-destroyer-class-configuration-by-2024-25/



https://mazagondock.in/images/pdf/investor-update-call-transcript-29062021.pdf


Interestingly, the Indian Navy has stopped talking about the NGF and there is a lot of activity regarding the NGMC which begs the question, is the NGMC a proxy NGF given that the NGMV fulfills all the parameters of a Kora Class replacement ?

They are waiting for 2024-2025 for this because by then, the Dual Panel LR MFR radar for it will likely be validated on INS Anvesha. VL-SRSAM and maybe even AD-1 will be tested enough times and maybe, just maybe, we'll have some more clarity on what our future hypersonic CM will look like.
Once all this happens, then the Navy will release RFP. I hope.

 

[vampyrbladez]

BHEL and GE ink MoU for development of Integrated Electric Propulsion System for the Indian Navy

The MoU was signed in the presence of Jeremy Quin MP, UK Minister of Defence Procurement, Alex Ellis, British High Commissioner to India, Anurag Bajpai, Joint Secretary Defence Industrial Promotion, Dr Nalin Shinghal, CMD BHEL, Renuka Gera, Director (IS&P) BHEL, Syreeta Jeffs and Balaji Parthasarathy, Directors of GE Power Conversion and J.P Srivastava, Executive Director (IS) BHEL.

With the signing of the MoU, the expertise and facilities of GE Power Conversion and BHEL can be leveraged for quick induction of this advanced technology, combining indigenous manufacture, by the Indian Navy, which has been at the forefront of Aatmanirbhar Bharat – Make in India programme.

“The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Boris Johnson and Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi, announced in their joint statement on 22 April 2022 the establishment of a Joint Working Group on India-UK Electric Propulsion Capability Partnership with the goal of fostering military and industrial collaboration in maritime Electric Propulsion systems. I am delighted that GE Power Conversion and Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd are signing a MoU as the first step of an exciting collaborative journey for the UK and India,” said Defence Minister Jeremy Quin.

He further said, “GE Power Conversion was integral to an Industry-Government partnership which developed the UK’s world-leading electric propulsion capability currently in operation with our Royal Navy’s Destroyer and Aircraft Carrier fleets. With proven ability to support India’s frontline ships, BHEL is a perfect partner for this endeavour.”


“This collaboration between GE Power Conversion and BHEL characterises the UK’s commitment to partnership with India in support of India’s Aatmanirbhar Bharat and will, I am sure, be the first of many,” he added.

GE Power Conversion is a world leader in electric propulsion, with equipment installed on some of the latest platforms of the US Navy and the Royal Navy, including the Queen Elizabeth class of aircraft carriers.

These systems provide flexibility in the selection and layout of power generation equipment and drive elements with the enhancement of stealth features and fuel efficiency. Keeping in mind the matured state of the technology and potential for integration, electric propulsion has been identified as a key technology for the Indian Navy on new construction platforms

With decades of experience and a deep understanding of naval requirements and standards, GE Power Conversion has the capability to provide integrated solutions for the design, integration, installation, and life cycle support of electric propulsion systems.


BHEL, a central public sector undertaking, is one of India’s largest engineering and manufacturing enterprises in the energy and infrastructure sectors and a leading power equipment manufacturer globally. BHEL has been a reliable supplier of critical equipment and services in the Defence and Aerospace sector for over three decades. Towards this, specialised manufacturing facilities and capabilities have already been set up with the aim of making a major contribution towards self-reliance in Defence equipment production under the Aatmanirbhar Bharat Abhiyan of Govt of India.

GE’s powerful electrical networks and equipment are capable of supporting a ship’s energy requirements, including propulsion, high-power sensors, service loads and pulse power for defence systems. GE’s dependable naval technologies are shock rated and proven on naval applications from 3MW to 110MW, and include naval electric motors and generators, switchboards, power converters, power management and automation and control systems. GE’s naval centre of excellence teams brings integrated system design expertise, built on a deep understanding of naval standards, vessels and lifecycle demands.


https://www.manufacturingtodayindia...lectric-propulsion-system-for-the-indian-navy


GE In ‘A Good Position’ to Power Navy’s DDG(X), Company Official Says

ARLINGTON, Va. — GE, which provides gas turbine engines to naval ships around the world, is looking to provide engines for the U.S. Navy’s next-generation guided-missile destroyer (DDG(X)), a company official said.

“We’re in a good position,” said George Awiszus, director, Military Marketing and Business Development for GE Marine, noting the success of his company’s family of marine engines, which company marketing materials point to a 99% reliability and 98% availability of its LM2500 engines.

Awiszus noted during an Aug. 4 interview with Seapower that the U.S. Navy is looking to making its next-generation destroyer a “full electric ship.”

He said the current Arleigh Burke-class DDG ‘is maxed out” in terms of electrical power and that more power will be needed for the sensors, weapons and propulsion that likely will be installed in the DDG(X).

Awiszus praised the Navy’s efforts to get industry, including shipyards and naval architects, involved early in the concept design process.

GE will be providing LM2500+G4 engines for the new Constellation-class frigate. LM2500 engines already are in use on the Fincantieri FREMM frigate that is the basis for the Constellation class. The Constellation’s engines will feature the Composite Enclosure that provides better noise attenuation, a 5,500-pound weight reduction, costs 50% less than the steel enclosure and keeps the engine room cooler. GE will have delivered 24 engines with the Composite Enclosure by year’s end.

GE improves its marine engine designs over time as lessons are learned, new materials are provided, and processes are refined. The company now offers electric starting capability as an option along with hydraulic or pneumatic starting methods.

GE has delivered 1,365 LM2500 and LM6000 gas turbine engines to navies worldwide and 2,585 used for industrial purposes.

https://seapowermagazine.org/ge-in-a-good-position-to-power-navys-ddgx-company-official-says/

 

[abingdonboy]

They are waiting for 2024-2025 for this because by then, the Dual Panel LR MFR radar for it will likely be validated on INS Anvesha. VL-SRSAM and maybe even AD-1 will be tested enough times and maybe, just maybe, we'll have some more clarity on what our future hypersonic CM will look like.
Once all this happens, then the Navy will release RFP. I hope.

2024-25 for RFP, 3/4 years of haggling and red tape for contracts to be signed then 6-7 years for the first boat to be ready. So as thought NG ships are all for mid/late 2030s. Between mid/late 2020s when P-15B/17A/11356s are all completed and 2035++ IN will not induct a single large warship and most of the premier shipyards (MDL, CSL, GRSE) will be empty from defence orders

IN and GOI are conceding this decade and the next to the PLA(N)

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

2024-25 for RFP, 3/4 years of haggling and red tape for contracts to be signed then 6-7 years for the first boat to be ready. So as thought NG ships are all for mid/late 2030s. Between mid/late 2020s when P-15B/17A/11356s are all completed and 2035++ IN will not induct a single large warship and most of the premier shipyards (MDL, CSL, GRSE) will be empty from defence orders

IN and GOI are conceding this decade and the next to the PLA(N)

Well, tbf, there was some effort towards stipulating, reducing, the time from RFP to contract signing within just 2 years or so. Not sure if they will achieve it, but its one of MoD's goals right now. And if they can't do it for a domestic contract like warships, I doubt they'd be able to do it at all as more other contracts are foreign.
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I would have been fine with the gap in warship construction had we utilized the intervening years to shore up our submarine strength. But things are even more bleak in that area than they are in warships

 

[Super falcon]

what happend to su 35 deal

It's scrapped

 

[Vamsi]

It's scrapped

This is what happens when you BEG for it.

 

[THESIS THORON]

It's scrapped

well your whole nation is scrap

 

[Adm Kenobi]

DDG: 6 Project 18 destroyers are planned.

5 are planned, at an estimated Project cost of 60,000cr. Will probably just get AoN this year similar to NGC but a few years behind NGC in terms of contract signing and construction.
I have shared the source in the IAC-1 thread, sharing again -
~12:05 - NGD, 5 in number, pegged at around 60,000cr

And it's not called P-18, the project designations for NGD/NGF/NGC have not been finalised yet, it may turn out to be "Project-18" but there's no such designation right now.
It's better if we just call it 'NGD' for now.

 

[IndianHawk]

5 are planned, at an estimated Project cost of 60,000cr. Will probably just get AoN this year similar to NGC but a few years behind NGC in terms of contract signing and construction.
I have shared the source in the IAC-1 thread, sharing again -
~12:05 - NGD, 5 in number, pegged at around 60,000cr

And it's not called P-18, the project designations for NGD/NGF/NGC have not been finalised yet, it may turn out to be "Project-18" but there's no such designation right now.
It's better if we just call it 'NGD' for now.

What is he saying 18 number of new generation Corvettes?? Or 8 numbers ??

Just before new generation destroyers..

 

[IndianHawk]

What is he saying 18 number of new generation Corvettes?? Or 8 numbers ??

Just before new generation destroyers..

Should be 8 in number given the estimation of about 33000 crore.