P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

[Vamsi]

5 are planned, at an estimated Project cost of 60,000cr. Will probably just get AoN this year similar to NGC but a few years behind NGC in terms of contract signing and construction.
I have shared the source in the IAC-1 thread, sharing again -
~12:05 - NGD, 5 in number, pegged at around 60,000cr

And it's not called P-18, the project designations for NGD/NGF/NGC have not been finalised yet, it may turn out to be "Project-18" but there's no such designation right now.
It's better if we just call it 'NGD' for now.

You earlier said that P-17A frigates are the last to use MF-STAR,right? Then I'm expecting indigenous radar onboard P-17B frigates armed with VL-SRSAM in addition to Brahmos & Barak-8

 

[Adm Kenobi]

You earlier said that P-17A frigates are the last to use MF-STAR,right? Then I'm expecting indigenous radar onboard P-17B frigates armed with VL-SRSAM in addition to Brahmos & Barak-8

Yes. - in this post

P-17B (if it happens) will not get Israeli MF-STAR, there will be no further deals to import MF-STAR for Naval ships after Dec 2022. P-17B (if it happens) will likely sport a variant of LR-MFR.

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Naval MR-SAM import are to be stopped by Dec 2022 too (delivery will continue for contracts signed before Dec 2022), two possible scenarios can be drawn from this-
1. New IN ships won't get Barak-8, it will be VL-SRSAM for small vessels like Kamorta & NGMV & a mix of VL-SRSAM & indigenous long range SAM (not Barak-8 or Barak-8 ER) for vessels like frigates and above => UVLS
2. OR it just means that naval MR-SAM (Barak-8) will be produced by BDL like in case of IAF. Currently navy imports them from Israel.

Both are possible and it's too early to reach any conclusion on the MR-SAM part, MF-STAR one is clear, no new deal after Dec 2022.

 

[binayak95]

Yes. - in this post

Naval MR-SAM import are to be stopped by Dec 2022 too (delivery will continue for contracts signed before Dec 2022), two possible scenarios can be drawn from this-
1. New IN ships won't get Barak-8, it will be VL-SRSAM for small vessels like Kamorta & NGMV & a mix of VL-SRSAM & indigenous long range SAM (not Barak-8 or Barak-8 ER) for vessels like frigates and above => UVLS
2. OR it just means that naval MR-SAM (Barak-8) will be produced by BDL like in case of IAF. Currently navy imports them from Israel.

Both are possible and it's too early to reach any conclusion on the MR-SAM part, MF-STAR one is clear, no new deal after Dec 2022.

Its the latter as far as the Barak 8 is considered. I think its going to be the XR variant, and that will slowly make its way down the fleet. As MLU. Some interesting discussions going for what the IN wants to do with the second batch of Talwars when they go for MLU too.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Possibly first pic of official render of NGD/P-18 class (courtesy @Vamsi ):-

Too grainy to draw any conclusions but for some reason it looks huge to me. Its loooong.

 

[Vamsi]

Possibly first pic of official render of NGD/P-18 class (courtesy @Vamsi ):-

Too grainy to draw any conclusions but for some reason it looks huge to me. Its loooong.

Yep, especially that helo deck

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Yep, especially that helo deck

There also seems to be a lot of space between the smokestack and the hangar. Possibly to house more VLS in addition to the ones towards the bow.

 

[Vamsi]

There also seems to be a lot of space between the smokestack and the hangar. Possibly to house more VLS in addition to the ones towards the bow.

Yes, it also looks like it will have only one smoke stack instead of 2 like in P-15A/B

 

[binayak95]

Possibly first pic of official render of NGD/P-18 class (courtesy @Vamsi ):-

Too grainy to draw any conclusions but for some reason it looks huge to me. Its loooong.

Cough UAV deck spotted cough.

 

[IndianHawk]

Yep, especially that helo deck

Where did you find this??

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Possibly first pic of official render of NGD/P-18 class (courtesy @Vamsi ):-

Too grainy to draw any conclusions but for some reason it looks huge to me. Its loooong.

You sure this is NGD concept pic?

 

[Vamsi]

Where did you find this??

 

[Vamsi]

You sure this is NGD concept pic?

Yes it is

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

You sure this is NGD concept pic?

Not exactly, which is why I said its "possibly NGD". But there is a high chance it is 'cause it was in Navy's original presentation.

 

[Amrk]

Yes it is

What's the time stamp for the ngd draft, I couldn't find it.

 

[Vamsi]

What's the time stamp for the ngd draft, I couldn't find it.

23:56 onwards

 

[vampyrbladez]

Possibly first pic of official render of NGD/P-18 class (courtesy @Vamsi ):-

Too grainy to draw any conclusions but for some reason it looks huge to me. Its loooong.

At least 10,000 - 12,000 tons at the very least.

I can see the LR MFR sensor radar's silhouette.

with 128 VLS (UVLS (?)) as a distinct possibility.

 

[gslv markIII]

Possibly first pic of official render of NGD/P-18 class (courtesy @Vamsi ):-

Too grainy to draw any conclusions but for some reason it looks huge to me. Its loooong.

So the LR MFR would be mounted on a mast- albeit a shorter ones than the ones on P15A/B/P17A- instead of the superstructure.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

So the LR MFR would be mounted on a mast- albeit a shorter ones than the ones on P15A/B/P17A- instead of the superstructure.

Looks like it. Which is impressive considering its a 6 meter radar. Americans aren't placing their 6 meter AMDR on a mast even in their future DDG(X) design.

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Exact timestamp where they showed the NGD. Also NGMV, NGC and LPD with flat top.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

So the LR MFR would be mounted on a mast- albeit a shorter ones than the ones on P15A/B/P17A- instead of the superstructure.

Looks like it. Which is impressive considering its a 6 meter radar. Americans aren't placing their 6 meter AMDR on a mast even in their future DDG(X) design.

Actually, now that I think about it, maybe the radar on the mast is the X-band one. Makes sense since S-band LRMFR is not as good as an X-band at tracking and FCR of horizon targets because X-band has better performance against sea clutter.