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SATISH

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Yes deep down we all know that only these 2 jets are gonna be competing...and their respective country members are debunking each other...This is awesome. And hey Armand and DBC thanks for the good work. You two must be working for the respective companies. They would benifit largely from you 2....:p
 

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Yes deep down we all know that only these 2 jets are gonna be competing...and their respective country members are debunking each other...This is awesome. And hey Armand and DBC thanks for the good work. You two must be working for the respective companies. They would benifit largely from you 2....:p
I could care less, I have a wager with my uncle but hey its all in the family.
But this little pissant keeps joking about the Canadian Hornet crash. Often pilots that eject from a plane are unable to continue flying performance jets due to injuries inflicted by a violent ejection. To me its heart breaking to see it happen regardless of nationality and it takes a real insensitive jerk to joke about a tragedy like that...
 

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Nobody died nor were there injuries, so fair game. Ain't nobody going to cry over the loss an obsolete jet. As far as its performance after the high Alpha, it didn't go straight into a loop as it couldn't. It can only do a slow climb, invert and come back down. The take-off didn't go straight into a loop but did a long inversion to gain speed, then made a loop. Not nearly as impressive as going directly from a slow moving alpha maneuver directly into a loop. The Hornet raised its landing gear at the start of its loop and then didn't finish by reverting out of it.
 

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Kecskemét Air show 2010 F/A-18 Swiss Air Force


 
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Kecskemét Air show 2010 JAS39 Hungarian Air Force



 
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Kecskemét Air show 2010 Eurofighter Typhoon Austria Aug.8



 
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My dream MMRCA fighter jet would be a fighter that is as agile and powerful as a Mig-29 equipped with the avionics and electronic equipment that is used in modern western fighter aircraft. Top that off with no strings attached with what we do with the aircraft and we have a winner.
 

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Too bad the company that makes its radar is bankrupt, its optics inept, and its engine too cheap to make a decent TBO.
 

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Kecskemét Air show 2010 F/A-18 Swiss Air Force


I should say that the maneuvers that F-18 did here are nothing in front of Rafale. It didn't even do 50% of maneuvers that Rafale did in the same air show (see Armand's video in the last page). Another thing that I observed is (starting from 0.48 min) that F-18 took almost 26 seconds to do a complete turn while it is know that F-16 takes just 20 seconds or even less. Overall, I feel F-18 is very bulky and less agile though it might have a better weapons system and a mature AESA.
 
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My dream MMRCA fighter jet would be a fighter that is as agile and powerful as a Mig-29 equipped with the avionics and electronic equipment that is used in modern western fighter aircraft Top that off with no strings attached with what we do with the aircraft and we have a winner.
YouTube - MiG-29OVT / MiG-35 Demonstration in RIAT2006
MIG-35 indeed the most egile among the mmrca contenders the more i see this vedio , the more i got convinced , the vedio is a masterpiece..

Russians say they can offer the MiG-29M in a Brahmos-like package to India—transfer technology for manufacture within India, and jointly develop the aircraft further and sell it to third countries. "It is a double jump over the Sukhoi deal, so to speak," said a senior official in Rosoboronexport, Russia's defence export agency. The Sukhoi-30MKI also has thrust vector technology, but is limited to one direction. The technology installed in MiG-29M would allow 360 degree manoeuvrability. And, though the Sukhoi-MKI was developed jointly, there is no provision for joint marketing in the deal.

We are willing to integrate any system, as the user wants it." MiG officials expect India to ask for Israeli Elta radars, display components from France and weaponry of Russian origin. "We have not frozen the technology specifications," said Fyodorov.
Elta's latest EL/M-2052 AESA radar has high tracking capability of 64 targets, is given. In the air-to-sea mode, the radar is supposed to acquire and track surface targets up to 160 nm away. There are over 1500 T/R modules in this antenna aperture .
 

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Nobody died nor were there injuries, so fair game. Ain't nobody going to cry over the loss an obsolete jet. As far as its performance after the high Alpha, it didn't go straight into a loop as it couldn't. It can only do a slow climb, invert and come back down. The take-off didn't go straight into a loop but did a long inversion to gain speed, then made a loop. Not nearly as impressive as going directly from a slow moving alpha maneuver directly into a loop. The Hornet raised its landing gear at the start of its loop and then didn't finish by reverting out of it.
For an amateur it may not appear impressive, the Hornet has held its own against
more agile opponents than the Rafale - opponents like the super agile Mig-29 and Raptor.

You haven't answered my question in a ten year production run how many Rafale's have been sold overseas?
Another question you haven't yet answered why is AoA limited by the Rafale's flight computers and what is that limit?
Where is SPECTRA manufactured?
What is it's top speed at low altitude?
What is the afterburner limit on the M-88?

Oh! and look at the Prandtl-Glauert condensation clouds formed at transonic level flight by the Rafale and Hornet.
Why does the condensation occur before the leading edge of the Rafale's wing? As opposed to the Hornet and other warplanes where it occurs at or after the trailing edge of the wing, and what does it say about the Rafale's aerodynamic design and performance in transonic regimes at MP?



For the sake of French workers I do hope the Rafale wins the Indian bid, but seeing how the French are so willing to part with their technology its hardly a surprise that even Dassault does not think its technology is worth much. If only Rafale fanboooi's had the money....the French may still be able to save the Rafale.:happy_2:
 
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from the videos it is apparent F18 is least agile. but it is not built to be agile and relies on its superior avianocs package and radar. the EF and gripen and Rafale are no doubt agile.I feel it will be a close call btween Rafale and gripen. remember the criteria for selection: 1. least cost with full Tot and small print.
2. political mileage from the deal.

EF will loose out on cost factor. Rafale will win cause it is win win on both terms. gripen will loose out on the political front. I predicted this about 4 months ago. and I am saying this again. Rafale will bag it.
 

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Oh! and look at the Prandtl-Glauert condensation clouds formed at transonic level flight by the Rafale and Hornet.
Why does the condensation occur before the leading edge of the Rafale's wing? As opposed to the Hornet and other warplanes where it occurs at or after the trailing edge of the wing, and what does it say about the Rafale's aerodynamic design and performance in transonic regimes at MP?

What has the formation of the P-G clouds at leading edge or after/at trailing edge has to do with performance of an air-craft?. And how formation of PG-clouds at leading edge indicates that the aerodynamic design is bad??.
 

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Russians say they can offer the MiG-29M in a Brahmos-like package to India—transfer technology for manufacture within India, and jointly develop the aircraft further and sell it to third countries.
The MIG 35 is super agile compare F 16/ 18, or Grippen, also it is cost effective in various terms.

We are willing to integrate any system, as the user wants it." MiG officials expect India to ask for Israeli Elta radars, display components from France and weaponry of Russian origin. "We have not frozen the technology specifications," said Fyodorov.
Elta's latest EL/M-2052 AESA radar has high tracking capability of 64 targets, is given. In the air-to-sea mode, the radar is supposed to acquire and track surface targets up to 160 nm away. There are over 1500 T/R modules in this antenna aperture .
No country in the world offer same package except russia
 

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For an amateur it may not appear impressive, the Hornet has held its own against
more agile opponents than the Rafale - opponents like the super agile Mig-29 and Raptor.
For anyone with an eye it does not appear impressive. The Hornet has been whooped by MiG-29, Rafale and F-22s. MiG-29s of the Luftwaffe and Rafale were having a field-day with it back in the early part of this decade. The Super Hornet was whooped by Rafale at JTFEX 2008... excerpts from AFM article...

Lt Mike Tremel, pilot of VFA-31 "Tomcatters") comments for Rafale M:

"A highly maneuverable fighter with an incredible capacity to point its nose in every direction in the sky."

A French pilot's (pilot of 12F) comments for F/A-18E:

"A great bombing aircraft, but not a fighter for dogfighting... Its acceleration capability in the high angle of incidence is not good...Rafale is definitely the more nimble one."
 

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No country in the world offer same package except russia
The deal-breaker with MiG-35 is its availability and delivery. It will be freaking 2017 by the time we'll have a sizable number of them inducted into IAF.
 

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The MIG 35 is super agile compare F 16/ 18, or Grippen, also it is cost effective in various terms.
Russians say they can offer the MiG-29M in a Brahmos-like package to India—transfer technology for manufacture within India, and jointly develop the aircraft further and sell it to third countries.
even eurofighter offering partnership but fact remain that , there won't be any taker for eurofighter due to it's high cost..

whereas , once IAF decided to buy MIG-35 , it's export orderbook will be overflowing...india can make a killing into defence export market with mig-35....brahmos reportedly eyeing $13bn orderbook..
 

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I read that too... funny thing is that there are no orders for Brahmos outside of India. Not even Russia is ordering it.
do you want us to repeat like a parrot, all exports are possible when if the both users requirements are met only

Better up the news properly.
 
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