MRCA News & Dicussions (IV)

[gogbot]

yes we can just think what we get from MMRCA from last 6 years

even i dont know how much time will MMRCA process will take may be next 4 years to induct a plane

and at last f18 will be win because of USA pressure

That's not entirely accurate.

There is no indication from the government of preference to the US platform.

It is impossible for us to make a plane and induct in 6 years

MMRCA Induction process will not be completed till 2020 at least.
Inducting 200 aircraft takes time.

In the end we hopefully have another mature platform to help us achieve the desired Squadron strength 42

 

[pankaj nema]

WE started inducting Su 30 in 1996 .Today 14 years later and after licence manufacture we only have 125
The sooner we buy one plane and start inducting it the better it is for our numbers .
We need "NUMBERS" FOR A TWO FRONT WAR

 

[Agantrope]

WE started inducting Su 30 in 1996 .Today 14 years later and after licence manufacture we only have 125
The sooner we buy one plane and start inducting it the better it is for our numbers .
We need "NUMBERS" FOR A TWO FRONT WAR

Is it so, but many sources are telling that first flight takes place in 2000 and induction have happening from 2002 September

Sukhoi Su-30MKI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[pankaj nema]

We started manufacture after 2000. The first contract was signed in 1996 in 1997 the first squadron of su 30 k
was inducted
SU 30 k became mki slowly

 

[gowthamraj7]

The deal would signed in 2011 and first sq arrive in 2014.

In hal the production line is between 2014 to 2015

 

[luckyy]

WE started inducting Su 30 in 1996 .Today 14 years later and after licence manufacture we only have 125
The sooner we buy one plane and start inducting it the better it is for our numbers .
We need "NUMBERS" FOR A TWO FRONT WAR

125 SU-30MKI in 15 years....that almost 9/years.

anybody having idea who will be taking responsibility to local menufecturing of MMRCA aircrafts..?

if it will be HAL who going to menufecture MMRCA then i don't think MMRCA rate of induction would be more then 10/year..as till 2020 HAL will be OVER LOADED with production of LCA & su-30mki ..

 

[prateikf]

LCA, SU-30 MKI, LCH , AJT & Dhruv HAL would be overloaded with work till 2020. Hence MRCA should be produced by another firm in India preferably a private firm and not a defence PSU. HAL is also too slow has a record of always not meeting the specified deadlines.

 

[neo29]

If 50% of production is done from the country of origin and 50% manufactured locally by HAL then we can surely reduce the time of total induction. It may be little costly to manufacture outside but surely worth the price for quick induction and avoid delays.

Out of the contenders, only US can provide fastest delivery on time coz of their many production lines. Even France may be able to deliver as they said that they could provide Rafale in fast track mode.

 

[gogbot]

125 SU-30MKI in 15 years....that almost 9/years.

anybody having idea who will be taking responsibility to local menufecturing of MMRCA aircrafts..?

if it will be HAL who going to menufecture MMRCA then i don't think MMRCA rate of induction would be more then 10/year..as till 2020 HAL will be OVER LOADED with production of LCA & su-30mki ..

LCA, SU-30 MKI, LCH , AJT & Dhruv HAL would be overloaded with work till 2020. Hence MRCA should be produced by another firm in India preferably a private firm and not a defence PSU. HAL is also too slow has a record of always not meeting the specified deadlines.

AS i understand it , the Supplier gets to Choose its Indian Partner(S) to full Fill its offset Requirements ,

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[Armand2REP]

Looks like MiG-35 is definitely out


Alfa-Bank has decided to bankrupt manufacturer of radar for the MiG-35

Alfa Bank filed a lawsuit demanding bankrupt corporation Phazotron-NIIR ", producing radar for military aircraft and helicopters. The newspaper Kommersant wrote that the bankruptcy Phasotron "could call into question Russia's participation in the tender for the supply of MiG-35 in India.

"Phasotron, controlled by the state corporation Russian Technologies, owes the bank $ 11 million taking into account penalties. The Alfa-Bank said that bankruptcy is "Phasotron" was initiated because "the limit of negotiations has been exhausted." The newspaper writes that "Phazotron" not once offered the bank settlement agreement, but the bank insists on one-time debt repayment.

Products "Phasotron" installed on some aircraft and helicopters, while the largest consumer is the RSK MiG. In particular, the production of radars "Phasotron" stand on the MiG-35. In addition, "Phazotron" is likely to produce radar and aircraft of the fifth generation.

Recall that participants in the Indian Air Force tender for the purchase of 126 combat aircraft, in addition to fighter are U.S. corporations with Boeing F/A-18E/F and Lockheed Martin with F-16C / D, the European group EADS with the Eurofighter Typhoon, the French company Dassault with Rafale, and Swedish Saab with Gripen.

Lenta.ru: Бизнес: Альфа-банк решил обанкротить производителя радаров для МиГ-35

 

[neo29]

^^^^^^

Its good this matter has come out now. What if our establishment had gone for Mig-35 ??? Russia would have easily asked us to invest in it. It would have been the worst defence deal ever in history.

 

[luckyy]

^^^^^^

Its good this matter has come out now. What if our establishment had gone for Mig-35 ??? Russia would have easily asked us to invest in it. It would have been the worst defence deal ever in history.

so , what about the FGFA ?.....did IAF shouldn't go for FGFA too coz the same company is producing radar for FGFA also...

now a days ever thing try to get associated with mmrca....

bankruptcy doesn't mean the expertise to produce "Phasotron" radar will be lost..

 

[Armand2REP]

so , what about the FGFA ?.....did IAF shouldn't go for FGFA too coz the same company is producing radar for FGFA also...

now a days ever thing try to get associated with mmrca....

bankruptcy doesn't mean the expertise to produce "Phasotron" radar will be lost..

Phazotron isn't developing PAK FAs radar. Tikhomirov is doing well making Flanker radars, plenty of orders for it. The loss here could be the expertise Phazotron engineers have in making their first AESA. One would hope they are smart enough to transfer their work to NIIP so as not to lose it. Development of Zhuk AE is definitely suspended.

 

[neo29]

so , what about the FGFA ?.....did IAF shouldn't go for FGFA too coz the same company is producing radar for FGFA also...

now a days ever thing try to get associated with mmrca....

bankruptcy doesn't mean the expertise to produce "Phasotron" radar will be lost..

Even if they were making radars for FGFA, we would have no choice since agreements to acquire have already been made. We could not have backed out.

Radars are made by Tikhomirov. Get your facts straight before commenting buddy.

 

[luckyy]

Even if they were making radars for FGFA, we would have no choice since agreements to acquire have already been made. We could not have backed out.

Radars are made by Tikhomirov. Get your facts straight before commenting buddy.

please do not get personal , it's no civilized way...

"Products "Phasotron" installed on some aircraft and helicopters, while the largest consumer is the RSK MiG. In particular, the production of radars "Phasotron" stand on the MiG-35. In addition, "Phazotron" is likely to produce radar and aircraft of the fifth generation."

the "Phasotron" is likely to produce radar for aircraft of the fifth generation ..this is what the report states , not my assumptions/comments !!!

 

[Daredevil]

Some recent pics of Rafale









Naval Rafale

 

[Armand2REP]

Rafale at the Kecskemét Air show

 

[Daredevil]

^^Wow, Rafale looks very agile and it shows that it also has very high Alpha (post 4:20 min of video) which will be helpful for take-off/landing on short airstrips and air-craft carriers.

 

[Armand2REP]

^^Wow, Rafale looks very agile and it shows that it also has very high Alpha (post 4:20 min of video) which will be helpful for take-off/landing on short airstrips and air-craft carriers.

Note during the high Alpha maneuver, Rafale transitions straight into a loop even after bleeding off all its speed. Not like the flailing crash mode of the Hornet.

 

[death.by.chocolate]

Note during the high Alpha maneuver, Rafale transitions straight into a loop even after bleeding off all its speed. Not like the flailing crash mode of the Hornet.

:boring:
Is that the best the Rafale can do? Little wonder they have trouble selling it..:emot15:

Here is a video of a Canadian Hornet do the same with it's landing gear down after a short takeoff.