Main Battle Tanks and Armour Technology

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

And what this video have to do with topic?

This is American M1A1 in mud, as we can see driver was capable to drive out of mud pit.

You think that Arjun would not stuck in a mud pit? Oh it would, as any other tank. I seen lighter tanks like T-90 that stuck in mud pit, this is something very normal.

arjun will come faster than m1a1

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

as I already told you criteria of being a fool is not posting links.

 

[Damian]

arjun will come faster than m1a1

Really, have any proof for that? Because we can use technical data analisis.

M1A1 uses 1500HP Gas Turbine engine and weights in this version around 60 tons. We need to take around 100HP that is used for cooling and auxiliaries, so there is around 1400HP avaiable for transmission and sprockets.

Arjun uses 1400HP diesel, and weights also around 60 tons. We also need to take around 100HP for cooling and auxiliaries, so there is only 1300HP avaiable for transmission and sprockets.

Arjun weight is similiar, but have a weaker engine, so no, Arjun will not go faster from mud pit. It also depends on mud pit, on driver skills and so on.

as I already told you criteria of being a fool is not posting links.

I will be honest with you, I have very low opinion about you. You do not provide anything interesting to this topic, besides typical for your kind babble talk, and incredibly weak english, not to mention lacking in capabilities like reading with understanding.

 

[Santu]

Guys , Accept the fact.. Abrams and leopard are two best tanks in the world. What ever country you rare from , one should fear these two tanks.. Yeas arjun is a good tank when you put it against pakistan and chinese tanks. Give some time , get constant upgrades both in ammunition and tank design asap , make harsh decisions (by govt) , test thoroughly like how americans , germans and russians do.. Then come up with arjun MK-3 or 4 or FMBT what ever... then our claims that arjun is really good tank will hold good.. We really cant prove any thing by just blabbering about our tanks.. we need to accept the fact that we are late into tank design game.. we dont have much experience as western guys had.. so we need to build our capabilities.. Any time i search for top-10 tanks in teh world even chinese t99 appears in the list some times but not Arjun..

 

[Damian]

Finally, a voice of common sense!

And don't worry, Chinese ZTZ-99 is also not perfect, many times I wrote how many gaps in armor protection have this tank. A hint, it have very, very weakly protected hull sides compared to many other designs.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

I am not comparing arjun with m1a1 , what I am saying is its better than T90 and arjun is a good tank and better than pakis and chinese with whom we have dispute
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think about of what you can cause its just you respective

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Just adding a little to @abhi_the _gr8_maratha post, Arjun probably has better ground pressure than M1A1 ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Don`t follow those top -10 article they are not worthy seeing ..

About Testing, I think no other tank in the world has gone through like Arjun did ..

Rest told is true ..

Any time i search for top-10 tanks in teh world even chinese t99 appears in the list some times but not Arjun..

 

[Sovngard]

agree or not but arjun have best armour in 3rd gen tanks

:cerealspit:

or new American NGAP armor developed for M1.

Are you referring to the Improved Turret Armor package ?
It was planned for M1A1 & M1A2 deployed to Iraq, allowing them to have an increased protection against hollow charges but the project was cancelled since the advent of the M19 ARAT-1 and M32 ARAT-2 ERA from the TUSK kit.

yet they perform very well in deserts. Challenger 1 are serving in Jordanian army, and Challenger 2 in Oman's army, no problems there as well.

However, it should be stressed that the Omani Challenger 2s has a modified powerpack which is specially suited for desert conditions :

In order to maintain full power in temperatures up to 126 degrees Fahrenheit (52 degrees Celsius), the powerpack has a modified water-cooling and airflow system and incorporates additional dust filtration stages.
It also includes larger radiators and fans and air enters and exits through louvers on the rear hull deck.


Remember Saif Sareea II exercice ?

It was such a disaster that the British Army had exhausted in only two months its entire stocks of air filters !
Just for the 66 FV4034 Challenger 2 deployed in the southern and central portion of Oman.

Kanchan was never tested against modern ammunition, because does not have modern ammunition..

AFAIK the Kanchan composite armor was firstly tested in 1988 and it defeated 106mm M40 recoiless rifle shells (HEAT or HESH ?).

In the early 2000s, the DRDO stated that the Kanchan armor was able to defeat 125 mm APFSDS (probably old 3BM17/18 or 22/23) from a T-72 at point blank range.

But India had also bought the Israeli 125 mm APFSDS-T M711 in 1999, for its new T-90.

 

[bose]

Guys , Accept the fact.. Abrams and leopard are two best tanks in the world. What ever country you rare from , one should fear these two tanks.. Yeas arjun is a good tank when you put it against pakistan and chinese tanks. Give some time , get constant upgrades both in ammunition and tank design asap , make harsh decisions (by govt) , test thoroughly like how americans , germans and russians do.. Then come up with arjun MK-3 or 4 or FMBT what ever... then our claims that arjun is really good tank will hold good.. We really cant prove any thing by just blabbering about our tanks.. we need to accept the fact that we are late into tank design game.. we dont have much experience as western guys had.. so we need to build our capabilities.. Any time i search for top-10 tanks in teh world even chinese t99 appears in the list some times but not Arjun..

The argument is not which is the best Tank in the world but absurd logic to belittle the effort went into the building the Arjun without substantial proof and logic...

 

[Damian]

Just adding a little to @abhi_the _gr8_maratha post, Arjun probably has better ground pressure than M1A1 ..

Maybe, or maybe not, but ground pressure don't make a lot of different for 60+ tons heavy vehicles.

Are you referring to the Improved Turret Armor package ?
Which was planned for M1A1 & M1A2 deployed to Iraq, allowing them to have an increased protection against hollow charges. The project was cancelled since the advent of the M19 ARAT-1 and M32 ARAT-2 ERA from the TUSK kit.

No, NGAP or Next Generation Armor Package that will be installed on modernized tanks with ECP1 upgrades.

http://leanermoreagileabct.com/pdfs/Abrams_brochure.pdf

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Kanchan armour composition has
undergone massive changes since
1980's. The volume of the RHA has
been reduced to lesser mass because
of better metallurgy. The composite
has evolved too and it does not use the
1980s technology anymore
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Kanchan armour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Damian]

Use of RHA in armor is not the best way to increase protection.

It is better to use more potent armor steel types like SHS, HHS or THS. RHA is just very basic type of steel armor.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Major General Gurdial Singh, who is
now with the DRDO, said: "With Arjun
achieving a hit probability of 95 per
cent, its survivability is very high." He
also points out that separation of the
ammunition from the crew made Arjun
very safe. Last year the entire crew of
a T-72 tank was burnt alive when it
caught fire during an exercise.
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link - Troop trials follow Indian Army's decision to induct Arjun tanks, doubts persist over flaws : DEFENCE - India Today
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Apart from the French Leclerc, Arjun is
the only MBT in the world to have the
HSU, which was insisted upon by the
former army chief, General K. Sundarji.
The HSU gives the tank a speed of up
to 70KMPH and a stable platform for
firing as the gun's tilt is reduced.
"Since it is as easy to drive as a car,
crew fatigue will be minimal," says a
brigadier associated with the trials.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

All-round anti-
tank warhead protection by the newly
developed Kanchan armour is claimed
to be much higher than available in
comparable third generation tanks.
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Asitimes: China's media ranks 10 world leading tanks
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@Santu here is china media ranking arjun 9 and t99 as number 10. But t90 at 6, so arjun should be number 5

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

All-round anti-
tank warhead protection by the newly
developed Kanchan armour is claimed
to be much higher than available in
comparable third generation tanks.
.
Asitimes: China's media ranks 10 world leading tanks
.
@Santu here is china media ranking arjun 9 and t99 as number 10. But t90 at 6, so arjun should be number 5

 

[Damian]

What a bunch of BS...

You can't achieve all around protection, simply because due to weight and dimensions issues, you can't place composite armor all around a tank.

Not to mention that Arjun definetely does not have the best protection. In fact in this term it is completely obsolete design, with huge weak zones in turret frontal and side projections.

It was explained so many times, I even made a bunch of drawings so people could understand, but nooo, they still need to lie about true capabilities of their beloved tank...

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

What a bunch of BS...

You can't achieve all around protection, simply because due to weight and dimensions issues, you can't place composite armor all around a tank.

Not to mention that Arjun definetely does not have the best protection. In fact in this term it is completely obsolete design, with huge weak zones in turret frontal and side projections.

It was explained so many times, I even made a bunch of drawings so people could understand, but nooo, they still need to lie about true capabilities of their beloved tank...

all over net I searched and found nothing bad about it, the quote is from a website that I posted, why don't you give reference if you want to make up believe

 

[Damian]

Major General Gurdial Singh, who is
now with the DRDO, said: "With Arjun
achieving a hit probability of 95 per
cent, its survivability is very high." He
also points out that separation of the
ammunition from the crew made Arjun
very safe. Last year the entire crew of
a T-72 tank was burnt alive when it
caught fire during an exercise.

A lie, Arjun Mk1 does not have separated ammunition compartment, only Mk2 finally have this safety feature.

Apart from the French Leclerc, Arjun is
the only MBT in the world to have the
HSU, which was insisted upon by the
former army chief, General K. Sundarji.
The HSU gives the tank a speed of up
to 70KMPH and a stable platform for
firing as the gun's tilt is reduced.
"Since it is as easy to drive as a car,
crew fatigue will be minimal," says a
brigadier associated with the trials.

Another lie. Not only Leclerc and Arjun have HSU. South Korean K1/K1A1 and K2 have such suspension system as well as British Challenger 1 and Challenger 2, Turkish Altay, Japanese Type 90 and Type 10. American M1 have hull designed to be easy adaptable for different suspension systems, actually there is designed, tested and ready for production HSU system for M1. Leopard 2 was also tested with HSU suspension system during it's development.

 

[Damian]

all over net I searched and found nothing bad about it, the quote is from a website that I posted, why don't you give reference if you want to make up believe

And are you ----ing unable to read with understanding?!

I wrote You can't achieve all around protection, simply because due to weight and dimensions issues, you can't place composite armor all around a tank.

Not to mention that Arjun definetely does not have the best protection. In fact in this term it is completely obsolete design, with huge weak zones in turret frontal and side projections.

It was explained so many times, I even made a bunch of drawings so people could understand, but nooo, they still need to lie about true capabilities of their beloved tank...

Read it 100 times, perhaps then it will find a way to your limited brain. And also search my posts across this forum about Arjun, or Methos, or Militarysta, and several other guys like Dejawolf or STGN. We all made analisis of Arjun design in terms of protection, and the general conclusion among us was that Arjun is inferior in this term to virutally any modern Main Battle Tank.