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[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

I think he knows more than you

 

[SajeevJino]

all over net I searched and found nothing bad about it, the quote is from a website that I posted, why don't you give reference if you want to make up believe

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Because He is a Tank Driver ..We are Just Observers .

No one will Give the exact Parameters through the Net

You should talk to Some Military Man to clear your Doubts

 

[Damian]

I think he knows more than you

Who?! Are you high? Stop smoking that shit, because I feel like I am talking with some kind of complete retard.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Who?! Are you high? Stop smoking that shit, because I feel like I am talking with some kind of complete retard.

he means military general, you noob. He knows better than you and you are calling him lie

 

[methos]

That is cruel !! you are arguing and putting forward your POV and asking others to search and visit some site to get your POV ??

Oh, that's cruel? Really, in what twisted kind of world do you live? You guys are making unproven claim after claim, then I reply mentioning the source... and you want me, because of your lazyness or lack of skill to even find a link for it?

This just shows the uneducated way a lot people on this forum love to discuss: Never provide nor mention any reliable source and never write any sort of bad thing about the "great" indigenous stuff, but demanding to get sources served on a silver platter once somebody speaks out against all those random claims.

Provide any reliable sources for your claims, then I will consider changing my position, otherwise: There is no taking without giving.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

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Because He is a Tank Driver ..We are Just Observers .

No one will Give the exact Parameters through the Net

You should talk to Some Military Man to clear your Doubts

I posted claims of major general and he calls it lie.

 

[Damian]

Ok a proof that beloved sources of abhi_the _gr8_maratha lied about vehicles suspension.

HSU means Hydropneumatic Suspension Unit. Ok then let's check.

Challenger 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As writed, Challenger 1 uses hydropneumatic suspension.

Challenger 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Challenger 2, also HSU.

K1 88-Tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Again HSU.

K2 Black Panther - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Again HSU.

Type 10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
HSU.

Type 90 Kyū-maru - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
HSU.

L-3 Communications Combat Propulsion Systems
Here is HSU suspension developed for M1 Abrams.

I can also scan pages from books claiming about such suspension system for M1 and Leopard 2.

So yeah @abhi_the _gr8_maratha, your sources lies!

 

[methos]

Because it is a lie. The Arjun never archieved ammunition separation, which is why the Arjun Mk 2 will feature isolated ammunition containers.

 

[Damian]

he means military general, you noob. He knows better than you and you are calling him lie

Who is he? Who is noob? You? A primitive that can't even speak properly?

And yes, general lied, I proved above, not only Leclerc and Arjun uses HSU suspension system. So general lies or don't have any knowledge about foreign vehicles at all.

Oh, this starts to be funny.

 

[bose]

Oh, that's cruel? Really, in what twisted kind of world do you live? You guys are making unproven claim after claim, then I reply mentioning the source... and you want me, because of your lazyness or lack of skill to even find a link for it?

This just shows the uneducated way a lot people on this forum love to discuss: Never provide nor mention any reliable source and never write any sort of bad thing about the "great" indigenous stuff, but demanding to get sources served on a silver platter once somebody speaks out against all those random claims.

Provide any reliable sources for your claims, then I will consider changing my position, otherwise: There is no taking without giving.

The way you are arguing without any reference... Are you referring to yourself IDIOT ??

Go and lecture some other guys !!

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

hmmm, he is wrong, though his lie did a good thing, it made you give reference

 

[Damian]

@abhi_the _gr8_maratha

Another proof that your beloved general did not said the truth.

So you can see, not only Arjun and Leclerc have HSU, and some vehicles were tested with HSU.

Read more books kid, instead of internet.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

@abhi_the _gr8_maratha

Another proof that your beloved general did not said the truth.

So you can see, not only Arjun and Leclerc have HSU, and some vehicles were tested with HSU.

Read more books kid, instead of internet.

oh new born baby, first read the book I told you , the one on arjun

 

[Peter]

Well there are many people who are saying that Arjun is not the best. The fact is we Indians are not even saying that it is the best tank in the world. We are just saying that we have built an indigenous tank using our own effort and rigid determination. The engineers had to put a lot of effort and time into this tank. We are proud of their efforts. They had to sacrifice a lot to build a tank which is a genuine one and not produce reverse engineered copycat tank like the Chinese do. It is a milestone achievement and I really feel angry when people say bad things about this indigenous tank. People are forgetting that we have very a tiny defense budget,very less resources and no previous expertise on this matter. Yet Arjun is a tank which is better than those Paki tanks(if they have one) and can better Chinese ones. We are just taking baby steps towards perfection. However some people are busy comparing us to heavyweight American and Russian tanks. It is like comparing a poor village boy`s performance to a rich spoilt city kid`s performance in the board exams. Well maybe Arjun is not be the best but we have put in a lot of effort that our limited resources permit us to put in to build a perfect tank.

 

[bose]

Well there are many people who are saying that Arjun is not the best. The fact is we Indians are not even saying that it is the best tank in the world. We are just saying that we have built an indigenous tank using our own effort and rigid determination. The engineers had to put a lot of effort and time into this tank. We are proud of their efforts. They had to sacrifice a lot to build a tank which is a genuine one and not produce reverse engineered copycat tank like the Chinese do. It is a milestone achievement and I really feel angry when people say bad things about this indigenous tank. People are forgetting that we have very a tiny defense budget,very less resources and no previous expertise on this matter. Yet Arjun is a tank which is better than those Paki tanks(if they have one) and can better Chinese ones. We are just taking baby steps towards perfection. However some people are busy comparing us to heavyweight American and Russian tanks. It is like comparing a poor village boy`s performance to a rich spoilt city kid`s performance in the board exams. We maybe Arjun is not be the best but we have put in a lot of effort that our limited resources permit us to put in to build a perfect tank.

There are some in the forum those believe that only Europeans and US can build Tanks...

There is a concerted effort to be little the enormous effort went into the building of Arjun by a country who had never had any prior experience in building one... As if all those Europeans / US have no issues with their Tanks and wants all to believe their bullshit logic...

 

[Damian]

oh new born baby, first read the book I told you , the one on arjun

There is no such book kid. And really, if you think that you can insult me by using such primitive attempts then you are really not very adult.

Well there are many people who are saying that Arjun is not the best. The fact is we Indians are not even saying that it is the best tank in the world. We are just saying that we have built an indigenous tank using our own effort and rigid determination. The engineers had to put a lot of effort and time into this tank. We are proud of their efforts. They had to sacrifice a lot to build a tank which is a genuine one and not produce reverse engineered copycat tank like the Chinese do.

What we non Indians see, is constant claims that "Arjun is the best, Arjun will beat other tanks" etc. BS.

You can be proud, but be proud the smart way.

It is a milestone achievement and I really feel angry when people say bad things about this indigenous tank.

So I should lie and don't say the truth, what I see and what I think? And I am very honest, Arjun is not impressive in any way. Have some good design sollutions like suspension system, but it is not innovative, neither impressive, use very obsolete main armament system, and have very serious weak spots in protection. As I said, nothing impressive.

Yet Arjun is a tank which is better than those Paki tanks(if they have one) and can better Chinese ones.

How do you know it is better? Pakistan for example uses very advanced tank, Ukrainian T-80UD, which is better than both your T-90S and Arjun. The only problem Pakistanis have, is that they have only 320 T-80UD's.

We maybe Arjun is not be the best but we have put in a lot of effort that our limited resources permit us to put in to build a perfect tank.

Resources are not the problem, the problem is lack of experience, lack of tank designing school, lack of tradition in building tanks. Without that you can spend trendemous amount of money, and that will never be a true success.

I remember a words of one of GDLS engineers working on M1 tank, he said "if we do not know the past, we can't go in to future, because we will make the same mistakes all over again". A very smart words.

You Indians have obsession with indigeneus designs, and thus you do not learn anything from ones that are more experienced, and thus you make fatal mistakes.

 

[Damian]

There are some in the forum those believe that only Europeans and US can build Tanks...

There is a concerted effort to be little the enormous effort went into the building of Arjun by a country who had never had any prior experience in building one... As if all those Europeans / US have no issues with their Tanks and wants all to believe their bullshit logic...

Ha but we had, and we admitted it.

Do you know what is difference between our logic and yours?

We improve through criticism, we have critical approach to everything, even when we design something that works, we constantly search for it's weak sides and try to improve, contrary to saying everyone "oh look how good thing we designed, and it is indigeneus"...

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

there is such a book and I will tell you another from marathi

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

@Peter agree with you , though arjun beat T90 and this made some people shock cause they use to think that only europeans and americans can produce good tank

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

@Peter agree with you , though arjun beat T90 and this made some people shock cause they use to think that only europeans and americans can produce good tank