LOC, LAC & International Border skirmishs

[ezsasa]

Pak Army LoC Ops


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Takloo is no where to be found on TV now a days, hope he was not in one of the jeeps.

 

[Hiranyaksha]

Pak Army LoC Ops


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The question is not about peace talks. The question is when Pakistan will be disintegrated.

 

[Bornubus]

The question is not about peace talks. The question is when Pakistan will be disintegrated.

And what's the answer ?


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[Bornubus]

Takloo is no where to be found on TV now a days, hope he was not in one of the jeeps.

Then Pak would've lost it's only worthwhile defense jurno

 

[aditya10r]

And what's the answer ?


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In our dreams.

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[sorcerer]

They are at a loss of words since they've tried all combinations of words and threats still India has't budged.
Chinese media now trains gun on NSA Ajit Doval, calls him 'main schemer'

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chinese does very clearly!

 

[sorcerer]

Major Setback to China! Look Who PM Modi has Invited to India.. China Furious now

china is furious about everything ..shows the confidence of chinese on their copied products when push comes to shove!!

 

[sorcerer]

Ajit Doval in Beijing: Why India, China have failed to resolve Doklam standoff : India, News
Highlights

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  Doklam is a disputed area between China and Bhutan.
  
  
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  China unilaterally tried to alter border by means of road construction.
  
  
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  On Bhutanese request, Indian Army stopped road construction by Chinese PLA.
  

National Security Advisor Ajit Doval is in China while the Indian Army and the People's Liberation Army are holding their posts 150 metres apart at Doklam in Bhutan.

Ajit Doval is expected to hold talks with Chinese State Councilor Yang Jiechi on the ongoing Sikkim standoff on the sidelines of the meeting of BRICS top security officials in Beijing. Doval's visit has raised hopes that the two countries may find ways to defuse Doklam tension.

The stakes are high at Doklam for both the countries. Neither can afford to appear succumbing to the pressure built by the other. China's domestic politics has left President Xi Jinping with little option but to prolong the standoff at Doklam.

DOMESTIC COMPULSIONS OF CHINA

The Communist Party of China (CPC) will be holding its 19th Congress later this year. An overhaul of the party structure is expected during the Congress. Xi Jinping has been pushing for greater control over the party, which is more powerful than the government in China.

The CPC directly controls the PLA through Central Military Commission (CMC). The CPC general secretary is the chairman of the CMC. The PLA will be celebrating its 90th foundation day on August 1. The foundation day celebration was supposed to be a show-off event, but under pressure from Doklam standoff.

According to Chinese state media, people are asking why Xi Jinping administration is not taking action against India if it really invaded territory of China. Given the public perception of the Doklam standoff in China, Xi Jinping administration cannot afford to look weak by pulling back PLA troops.

POP GOES THE WEASEL

CHINESE INTERNAL POLITICS

Making a surprise change in the party leadership ahead of CPC Congress, Xi Jinping removed Sun Zhengcai from his post both in Chongqing - one of the four directly controlled municipalities in China - and the politburo of the CPC.

Many observers believed that Sun Zhengcai was a potential successor of Xi Jinping. Zhengcai was one the youngest members of the politburo of the Communist Party of China and very close to former premier Wen Jiabao. Zhengcai was an obstacle in the way of Xi Jinping, who wants greater control over the party.

With this objective, Xi Jinping has asked the partymen to address him as the chairman. It started with a military parade in September 2015 in Beijing, when he was called 'shouzhang'. Jinping tried to establish his status as the 'core' of the CPC.

No leader since Mao Zedong has been addressed as the chairman. Towering leaders like Deng Xiaoping, who oversaw Hong Kong handover negotiations, Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao used the title of shouzhang when they inspected troops.

Now, Jinping wants his partymen to address him as 'zhuxi', the chairman when he inspects troops on the PLA foundation day. With this, Jinping wants to convey the message to his countrymen that he is the most powerful leader in China after Mao.

With such an ambition, Jinping cannot order unilateral withdrawal of troops from Doklam. This is also why China has been harping on the 1962 war, which was fought when Mao was at the helm of affairs in China.

INDIA CANNOT AFFORD TO BACK OFF

There is much for India as the regional leader in the Doklam standoff. If India orders withdrawal of troops from Doklam buckling under Chinese pressure, this will diminish New Delhi's stature in the whole of South Asia.

The smaller neighbours of India will never rely on New Delhi for support while dominance of China will be paramount. In the immediate effect, Bhutan will pass on to Chinese hands and in all likelihood, become second Tibet in decades to come.

India's security concerns would be highly compromised if China had its say in Doklam. The Chicken's Neck of India will be under the direct watch of the PLA. This will also result in the decisive shift by Nepal towards China.

Sri Lanka has only yesterday refused to allow a military base of China at Hambantota port limiting Beijing's role to commercial activities only. If India does not stand at Doklam in defence of Bhutan, it will have its bearing on Sri Lanka and other neighbouring countries as well.

LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ABOUT CHINA

Many observers believe that one of the reasons for continued standoff at Doklam is the lack of understanding between the two countries. It is said that despite being neighbours, there are not enough number of experts in India and China who understand the other countries very well.:blah::blah:

Language is a major barrier for lack of understanding between the two countries. Writing in the Global Times, one Chinese columnist Long Xingchun - research fellow at the Charhar Charhar Institute and director of the Center for Indian Studies at China West Normal University - said, "There are no more than 200 China experts in India, of which 10 per cent, at the most, can read or speak Chinese. Most of these experts study China based on publications from the US and Europe and a few English publications published by China, but sadly they believe that they have been well informed about China.":blah::blah:

The same is equally true about the Chinese analysts who are said to have expertise over Indian affairs. They are not familiar with Indian languages and have limited access to English publications on India.
:blah::blah:
NEUTRAL STAND BY WORLD LEADERS

The world leaders have largely been neutral to over-a-month-long standoff between the armies of India and China at a plateau in Bhutan. Only the United States has appealed to India and China for a peaceful resolution of the standoff.

Speculations are being made about how the leading global powers, including Russia and Japan, would react should the two armies clash over Doklam. Chinese, as tactics, have tried to remind India that Russia was a mute spectator in 1962.

On the other hand, several strategic observers have pointed out that the US and Japan, which have interest in the South China Sea, would not be spectators in the event of an India-China war. They fear that if China is allowed to have its say against India and Bhutan, it will become more belligerent in the South China Sea.

INDIA-CHINA TRADE

Till the initial years of 1980s, the economies of India and China were roughly equal in size. But, China made gigantic progress in the later years. Now, the Chinese economy is five times bigger than India's.

As per the latest data released in January this year, the India-China trade volume stands at USD 71 billion. China is the net beneficiary by far in bilateral trade. India's trade deficit with China stands at USD 46.56 billion.

India exports articles of just USD 11.76 billion while its import from China stands at USD 58.33 billion. China's economy is largely export-based. It cannot afford to lose one of the biggest markets over Doklam. But, its domestic compulsions do not allow it to back off from Doklam especially after it led a propaganda accusing India of 'invading Chinese territory'.

The bone of contention - Dolam area of Doklam plateau - is a disputed territory between Bhutan and China. Bhutan sought India's help in June after China tried to alter the existing borders by carrying out road construction in the disputed area. The troops from the two sides have been in an eyeball-to-eyeball encounter ever since.


http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/doklam-india-china-ajit-doval/1/1012616.html


Doval is known in the circles as a man who never lies.
china better listen to this man...very very clearly.

Love the way US media is putting out Pro India stories at the same time..
Amazing!!

 

[Bornubus]

In our dreams.

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Pipe


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[gekko]

(BJP), which seems blithely oblivious to India’s external and internal security vulnerabilities

Threat.

a challenge India could not have planned for.

Threat.

the primary lesson of the 1962 war for India has been to avoid giving China any pretext to inflict yet another defeat.

Threat.

renewed religious and political tensions in India

Threat

the temptation for China to stir things up must have been strong,

Threat.


This is literally Chinese threats translated into English as dictated by the embassy.

Whichever presstitute has written this, I hope the intel agencies make sure that his mother and sister are turned into one homogeneous mass, or as they say in Hindi, maa behen ek kardo.

 

[thethinker]

@gekko This article looks more of the Aman Ki Asha fifth column type venom where India is always "advised" not to be aggressive and promote peace.

Digging up, this is the reporter who wrote the above article :

(Arnab N. Sengupta is a Qatar-based journalist. The views expressed are personal. He can be contacted at [email protected]. This article has been published in an arrangement with IANS.)

Further more, he has written (surprise, surprise) this masterpiece :

http://gulftoday.ae/portal/c5a895cd-9e91-4cc2-939a-0b9d4d9f1625.aspx


Arnab N. Sengupta: The way to win Kashmir’s hearts and minds

August 31, 2016

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In this age of bloody bomb attacks on soft targets ranging from wedding parties in Turkey to tourist towns in Thailand, the turmoil in Kashmir is a ticking bomb the Indian government cannot afford to avert its gaze from, even if the international community thinks this is none of its business.

Reports of severe pellet injuries to eyes and deaths of civilians in clashes with security personnel have been jostling for attention internationally with news from war zones.

For better or worse, the ferment in Kashmir has provided fresh proof that the desire for self-determination and sense of alienation among the valley’s Muslims greatly outweigh their periodic infatuation with the ballot box.

Under the circumstances, there are broadly two possible scenarios that do not entail moral compromises that could undermine India’s democratic reputation in the eyes of the world:

First, to win the war of ideas by promising the youth of Kashmir a bright future as fellow Indians within the current arrangement of autonomy.

Second, to initiate a civil dialogue in good faith with all the stakeholders in the Kashmir dispute.

The second scenario may seem premature and, as yet, unthinkable to a majority of Indians, who have valid reasons to worry about national security were the strategic region to be granted the freedom to turn potentially into another difficult neighbour.

But the first scenario, for its part, begs the big question as to whether our messy, secular democracy, led at present by an avowedly Hindu nationalist party, can really offer Kashmir’s Muslim population a road-map of hope so that they may be, just maybe, persuaded to stay within the union in the theoretical instance of a referendum.

The answer is a heavily qualified yes. But how?

By demonstrating that India is ready to embrace all the values of modernity: respect for civil rights; free speech and regulated markets; sustainable development; equal-opportunity policies; bureaucratic efficiency and accountability; religious tolerance and secularism; civic discipline; and 21st century global social norms. Swift delivery of justice, fair enforcement of law and merit-based hiring policies should ideally complete the picture of India’s transformation.

India must embrace these values not merely to win the hearts and minds of young Kashmiris but all Indians, be they privileged caste or backward caste, young or old, male or transgender, Muslim or Zoroastrian, Malayali or Assamese.

To be sure, this would be a challenge of mind-boggling complexity.

But the stark reality is that every year tens of thousands of passport-holding Indians vote with their feet, performing their own small acts of secession in protest against everything from the dwindling odds of getting a good college education and the coils of red tape binding the government machinery to the unregulated human migration from impoverished villages to overstretched cities.

Experts can marshal as many facts and figures as they want to demonstrate that life is improving for the people of India. Unfortunately, the more things change, the more they remain the same on far too many counts.

If the effort to win the war of ideas in Kashmir requires a change of national character to such an extent that Indians end up barely able to recognise themselves or their country, then so be it.

For, it is not just the future of troubled Kashmir that is at stake but in some sense the future of all of India.

None of this guarantees that in the end Kashmiri Muslims will give up their demand for freedom and throw in their lot with a transformed India – generous, disciplined, self-confident and sophisticated.

 

[Hiranyaksha]

And what's the answer ?


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Bakhts will say that it is already done.

 

[gekko]

@gekko This article looks more of the Aman Ki Asha fifth column type venom where India is always "advised" not to be aggressive and promote peace.

Digging up, this is the reporter who wrote the above article :

(Arnab N. Sengupta is a Qatar-based journalist. The views expressed are personal. He can be contacted at [email protected]. This article has been published in an arrangement with IANS.)

Further more, he has written (surprise, surprise) this masterpiece :

http://gulftoday.ae/portal/c5a895cd-9e91-4cc2-939a-0b9d4d9f1625.aspx


Arnab N. Sengupta: The way to win Kashmir’s hearts and minds

August 31, 2016

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Send to Friend



In this age of bloody bomb attacks on soft targets ranging from wedding parties in Turkey to tourist towns in Thailand, the turmoil in Kashmir is a ticking bomb the Indian government cannot afford to avert its gaze from, even if the international community thinks this is none of its business.

Reports of severe pellet injuries to eyes and deaths of civilians in clashes with security personnel have been jostling for attention internationally with news from war zones.

For better or worse, the ferment in Kashmir has provided fresh proof that the desire for self-determination and sense of alienation among the valley’s Muslims greatly outweigh their periodic infatuation with the ballot box.

Under the circumstances, there are broadly two possible scenarios that do not entail moral compromises that could undermine India’s democratic reputation in the eyes of the world:

First, to win the war of ideas by promising the youth of Kashmir a bright future as fellow Indians within the current arrangement of autonomy.

Second, to initiate a civil dialogue in good faith with all the stakeholders in the Kashmir dispute.

The second scenario may seem premature and, as yet, unthinkable to a majority of Indians, who have valid reasons to worry about national security were the strategic region to be granted the freedom to turn potentially into another difficult neighbour.

But the first scenario, for its part, begs the big question as to whether our messy, secular democracy, led at present by an avowedly Hindu nationalist party, can really offer Kashmir’s Muslim population a road-map of hope so that they may be, just maybe, persuaded to stay within the union in the theoretical instance of a referendum.

The answer is a heavily qualified yes. But how?

By demonstrating that India is ready to embrace all the values of modernity: respect for civil rights; free speech and regulated markets; sustainable development; equal-opportunity policies; bureaucratic efficiency and accountability; religious tolerance and secularism; civic discipline; and 21st century global social norms. Swift delivery of justice, fair enforcement of law and merit-based hiring policies should ideally complete the picture of India’s transformation.

India must embrace these values not merely to win the hearts and minds of young Kashmiris but all Indians, be they privileged caste or backward caste, young or old, male or transgender, Muslim or Zoroastrian, Malayali or Assamese.

To be sure, this would be a challenge of mind-boggling complexity.

But the stark reality is that every year tens of thousands of passport-holding Indians vote with their feet, performing their own small acts of secession in protest against everything from the dwindling odds of getting a good college education and the coils of red tape binding the government machinery to the unregulated human migration from impoverished villages to overstretched cities.

Experts can marshal as many facts and figures as they want to demonstrate that life is improving for the people of India. Unfortunately, the more things change, the more they remain the same on far too many counts.

If the effort to win the war of ideas in Kashmir requires a change of national character to such an extent that Indians end up barely able to recognise themselves or their country, then so be it.

For, it is not just the future of troubled Kashmir that is at stake but in some sense the future of all of India.

None of this guarantees that in the end Kashmiri Muslims will give up their demand for freedom and throw in their lot with a transformed India – generous, disciplined, self-confident and sophisticated.

I didn't even have to read the article. I read 'sengupta' and understood where the stink is originating from.

 

[thethinker]

I didn't even have to read the article. I read 'sengupta' and understood where the stink is originating from.

https://twitter.com/arnabnsg

Arnab Neil Sengupta
@arnabnsg

Engineer following in journalist father's footsteps. Ex-India Today & Khaleej Times.

Calcutta-raised Groucho Marxist. email: [email protected]

 

[thethinker]

Esteemed Marxist journalist Senguptaji writes articles advising India to show restraint and seek peaceful resolution when it comes to Kashmir and China.

Meanwhile his Twitter timeline shows him suggesting North India to be eliminated as it is a "blot on humanity"


"Can no one rid India of this blot on humanity called North India? "Three held for assaulting Muslim family on train"

 

[Prashant12]

Govt gives additional power to armed forces around sensitive military installations

NEW DELHI: After authorizing emergency purchases of ammunition and spares worth Rs 23,700 crore, the government has now also delegated some additional financial powers to the armed forces to upgrade the perimeter security around sensitive military installations.

Vice chiefs of the Army, Navy and IAF will now get financial powers worth around Rs 700-800 crore to "undertake works" for perimeter security of military installations and camps, which have been facing stepped-up terror attacks as witnessed in Pathankot, Uri, Nagrota, Akhnoor and other places since January last year.

"This has been done primarily to expedite the decision-making process involved in the modernization of the security apparatus of airbases and defence installations. The vice-chiefs have been empowered to place orders, procure equipment and carry out civil works without further seeking approvals of the MoD," said an official.

"Defence minister Arun Jaitley has also fixed strict timelines to ensure that the works are undertaken on priority and in a time-bound manner to ensure full security of our critical defence assets," he added.

It was on January 2 last year that the frontline Pathankot airbase was attacked by Jaish-e-Muhammed terrorists after they had easily managed to slip into the base during the night. It had taken the security forces almost three days to kill the four heavily-armed terrorists, while losing seven of their own personnel.

Fortunately, the terrorists did not manage to penetrate the critical "technical area" of the airbase, where the fighters, missile units and radars were located, and were eventually neutralized in the "domestic area" by National Security Guard commandos.

The terror strike, which sent bilateral relations with Pakistan into a sharp downward spiral, had come soon after PM Narendra Modi made an unscheduled trip to Lahore to attend the wedding of Nawaz Sharif's granddaughter in December 2015.

As earlier reported by TOI, a top tri-Service committee constituted after the Pathankot attack, under former Army vice chief Lt-General Philip Campose (retd), had punched several holes in the existing security set-up of most military bases around the country.

The committee had recommended several measures, ranging from installation of modern "access-control, perimeter security-cum-intrusion detection systems" to providing new weapons, bullet-proof jackets and night-vision jackets to personnel guarding the bases.

The lack of proper perimeter security around military bases and camps had been further exposed by the subsequent terror attacks in Uri, Nagrota, Akhnoor and other places. The IAF, on its part, has finalized an over Rs 8,000-crore comprehensive security plan for 54 of its major airbases around the country. The force is also raising 12 additional "flights" of Garud Special Forces to supplement the existing 15 "flights" of around 900 commandos.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...litary-installations/articleshow/59794534.cms

 

[Bornubus]

Bakhts will say that it is already done.

But i am asking you

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[aditya10r]

But i am asking you

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Never going to happen unless we indians(all 1.33 billion people) start hating that hellhole everyfuckingsecond.

 

[gekko]

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Vice chiefs of the Army, Navy and IAF will now get financial powers worth around Rs 700-800 crore to "undertake works" for perimeter security of military installations

That's awesome, now IAF can import barbed wire from Europe.

 

[Project Dharma]

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Pakis have the glue of Islam holding them together and they have had a major chip on their shoulder for all their existence since people have been predicting their demise ever since their country got created. Their troops are well motivated, average people are uber nationalistic all because of common religion. Let's not underestimate the enemy..