LOC, LAC & International Border skirmishs

[dineshchaturvedi]

Pakistan Army kills 2 jawans in firing from across LoC in Kupwara

Two Indian Army jawans from 5 Jammu & Kashmir Rifles were martyred in a sniper shootout near the Line of Control (LoC) in north Kashmir.

It is believed Pakistani troops targeted two army jawans near Furkian Gali of Keran sector in Kupwara district.

It is not yet clear whether the jawans were fired by Pakistani troops or Pakistan's Border Action Team (BAT). Furkiya area has been a known route used by militants infiltrating into the Kashmir Valley from Pakistan.


Further details about the attack are awaited.

In the meantime, the Home Ministry has sounded a "highest alert" from across Jammu and Kashmir in the wake of the killing of 7 Amarnath pilgrims by militants in Anantnag.

Security forces have launched a massive hunt to track down LeT commander and Pakistani national Abu Ismail, the mastermind of the Amarnath attack.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/pakistan-army-indian-jawans-firing-loc-kupwara/1/1000354.html

I am having a hard time understanding this, do we not have proper sniper rifles? Looks like we are dealing with golas and they will golies.

 

[dineshchaturvedi]

India is not an aggressor more any India is fighting a defensive war for a long time. As for kargil 2 even during kargil war Pak army equipped with force multipliers such as Arty location Radar that India inducted much later. Many war veterans of kargil acknowledge it's importance.

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This is really bad a country with 5 times smaller budget acquires the latest tech easily but we find out after the war. about its usefulness. That does not speak well of our planning honestly.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This is really bad a country with 5 times smaller budget acquires the latest tech easily but we find out after the war. about its usefulness. That does not speak well of our planning honestly.

what latest tech has Pakistan acquired?? Most of it is donated old junk.

 

[TheHurtLocker]

what latest tech has Pakistan acquired?? Most of it is donated old junk.

But they do seem to have a lot of competent Sniper Rifles, which we lack.
This was a dozen months ago...

The Indian Army's Infantry Directorate has published a request for information (RFI) for a new sniper rifle.

The service plans to acquire 5,000 bolt-action sniper rifles chambered for the .338 Lapua Magnum, with a requirement for the rifle to be capable of operation in environments to include high altitude, desert, and jungle.

http://www.janes.com/article/66317/indian-army-seeks-new-sniper-rifle

 

[Kalki_2018]

pakis don't publish their casualties. They are having a tough time at LOC and Border.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

But they do seem to have a lot of competent Sniper Rifles, which we lack.
This was a dozen months ago...

http://www.janes.com/article/66317/indian-army-seeks-new-sniper-rifle

They were given sniper rifles as a reward for their role in afghan war by USA decades ago.

 

[Bornubus]

Below are some of Pak Arny donated "junk"


Turkish Istiglal, M 82, Accuracy international etc etc with their regular let alone SF

The only decades old Junk SVD has been passed to their police and paramilitary which is still a standard issue Marksman/sniper of Indian Army regulars.

 

[Bornubus]

This is really bad a country with 5 times smaller budget acquires the latest tech easily but we find out after the war. about its usefulness. That does not speak well of our planning honestly.

I am having a hard time understanding this, do we not have proper sniper rifles? Looks like we are dealing with golas and they will golies.

New snipers clambered for .338 Lapua will be inducted.


Can't comment on time frame.

 

[Bornubus]

This is really bad a country with 5 times smaller budget acquires the latest tech easily but we find out after the war. about its usefulness. That does not speak well of our planning honestly.

This is not something new.


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[TheHurtLocker]

They were given sniper rifles as a reward for their role in afghan war by USA decades ago.

No doubt they milked the Americans dry but they also kept pace with the modernization of certain critical equipment, Sniper Rifles being one.
@Bornubus has listed some of their newer weapons below your post.
Okay found this interesting piece from four years ago:

With the rise of urban warfare, the need for snipers is being realised not by just civil forces but also the Pakistan armed forces, particularly after the terrorist attacks on the GHQ in Rawalpindi, Kamra airbase and Mehran naval aviation base and the army operations in Lal Masjid and in Swat.

Militants have also stormed other sensitive locations of the civil and armed forces and engaged them into firefights for hours.

“We have learned many things, especially from Lal Masjid and Swat operations, where snipping had been more effective than deploying many troops,” said a brigadier serving in the infantry.

Interestingly, it was while battling with Dragunov-armed militants during Swat operation that Pakistan army realised fully the need of snipers in its ranks.

It had learnt the lesson that SSG commandos could not take out individual deadly snipers ensconced inside the Lal Masjid without storming the mosque.

Military sources said that the army had rifle marksmen in each unit, who carried the standard weapons like the G-3 rifle, SMG 7.62, the term for AK-47 in the army, and the SMG 9mm (MP-5).

Now, army is in the process of raising specialised group of snipers, a programme the military’s public relations office ISPR said it was not aware.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1037459

 

[Bornubus]

No doubt they milked the Americans dry but they also kept pace with the modernization of certain critical equipment, Sniper Rifles being one.
@Bornubus has listed some of their newer weapons below your post.

This is their sniper trials in Pak from one of the foreign firearm manufacturer

 

[pankaj nema]

LoC killings: Army launches searches in Kupwara
He said the soldiers are searching forest areas and all possible escape routes have been blocked.

http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/...army-launches-searches-in-kupwara/254693.html

 

[TheHurtLocker]

And here is a comparo between the two from a report on the Pioneer(Don't know how credible it is)

In comparison to Indian Army, Pak Army relies more on their team of snipers to target enemy jawans.

According to official sources not more than 2 snipers are attached with one Batallion deployed along the LoC.

Indian snipers follow the simple mantra dushman shikar hum shikari, while keeping a watch on the movement of enemy posts from a forward location.

Armed with high precision sniper rifle these sharp shooters are an asset of a unit deployed on the Line of Control. They have the capacity to shoot a target of 1,200 metres away and prevent any physical assault on own post.

On the other hand snipers of Pak Army can target the forward Indian posts from a distance ranging between 1 km to 2 km using their high precision sniper rifles.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/pak-rushes-snipers-to-target-indian-jawans.html

 

[pankaj nema]

Can't comment on time frame.

I am sure they must have acquired some rifles off the shelf

The first news about this came in December 2016

And with Financial powers delegated to the Army officers
they must have done something by now

 

[TheHurtLocker]

This is their sniper trials in Pak from one of the foreign firearm manufacturer


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Topi says Steel Core(British Company) . And google search throws up more images:

Not bad for a Jehadi Army, I must say.

 

[Bornubus]

And here is a comparo between the two from a report on the Pioneer(Don't know how credible it is)

http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/pak-rushes-snipers-to-target-indian-jawans.html

Because the PSO scope of SVD is almost outdated for LoC warfare. At long ranges it could not properly identify a perfectly hidden enemy or sniper in ghillie suit. If I am not wrong PSO is compared with today's ACOG which is usually mounted on Assault rifles not snipers. !


Otherwise SVD is a fine weapon at intermediate range.

 

[pankaj nema]

Because the PSO scope of SVD is almost outdated for LoC warfare. At long ranges it could not properly identify a perfectly hidden enemy or sniper in ghillie suit. If I am not wrong PSO is compared with today's ACOG mounted on Assault rifle !


Otherwise SVD is a fine weapon at intermediate range.

Hi ; did you read this news

Looks like something happening in Kupwara

http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/...army-launches-searches-in-kupwara/254693.html

 

[TheHurtLocker]

Because the PSO scope of SVD is almost outdated for LoC warfare. At long ranges it could not properly identify a perfectly hidden enemy or sniper in ghillie suit. If I am not wrong PSO is compared with today's ACOG mounted on Assault rifle !


Otherwise SVD is a fine weapon at intermediate range.

That is a relief to hear.
It took the Mumbai Massacre for our asswipe netas to equip the NSG with decent gear.Hopefully we don't wait for such rude wake up calls and see some movement on such basic equipment and soon.
What sort of sniper rifles do our SG/SFF/Para SF have?

http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/...army-launches-searches-in-kupwara/254693.html

Wow, a look at the location of Keran, Pak Occupied Kashmir gives a layman like me a good idea as to why it'd be a good infiltration route:
1)Major Road right along the sector, the road also follows the river Neelum which snakes through the mountains and covers this sector on the west, through and through.
Must be very difficult to keep vigil on.

2)Keran to Kupwara looks like a real paradise for Jehadis to move along....... 31 Km of pure maze.

I hope the Jehadis are burnt to a crisp with TB Rounds and the Uniformed Jehadis who gave covering fire to these motherless fucks see the wrong end of a 105mm Shell.

 

[Bornubus]

Hi ; did you read this news

Looks like something happening in Kupwara

http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/...army-launches-searches-in-kupwara/254693.html

@hammer head

He can share more info on this.

 

[aditya g]

Thanks to INDRA Networks for leading me to this video.
You can see how the IA is dominating the entire area and how great our Jawans' morale is.
The commander of the section/patrol is one scary dude, I would imagine that the Jehadis who'd face this warrior would end up half cooked on a fucking stick with a bashed in Skull.

Around 30 seconds of information in a 15 minute video.

Do these journos come from any proper education or just land up there with mic and camera