Know Your 'Rafale'

[Immanuel]

numbers of birds has NO LINK with the futur road map.
You are blind and unaware.
Stop your regular and pityfull Rafale bashing.

You're factless and senile. Stop your regular 'French' Supremacy. Future road map is based on current existing order book. Rafale being a good aircraft still has less than 300 aircraft flying around for now. EF doubles that. EF will have a longer service life with many upgrades (albeit slower). With Kuwait delivery to start soon the EF will feature Captor-E which outperforms most AESAs out there including RBE-2. EF is the best platform for Meteor, ASRAAM. It's also faster, goes higher while being more expensive.

Don't worry Rafale will hang around too, thanks to India.

You see it clearly with the Mirage vs F-16 (Mirage not nearly as many buyers over it's life time, it's fast being dropped from service and upgrades don't go past beyond Mirage-2000-5). While the oldest F-16s are now receiving AESAs, updated cockpits, sensors, weapons etc. Latest or upgraded F-16s outclass the Mirage.

One needs enough orders for a program to survive decades and undergo several iterations of upgrades.

 

[BON PLAN]

You're factless and senile. Stop your regular 'French' Supremacy. Future road map is based on current existing order book. Rafale being a good aircraft still has less than 300 aircraft flying around for now. EF doubles that. EF will have a longer service life with many upgrades (albeit slower). With Kuwait delivery to start soon the EF will feature Captor-E which outperforms most AESAs out there including RBE-2. EF is the best platform for Meteor, ASRAAM. It's also faster, goes higher while being more expensive.

Don't worry Rafale will hang around too, thanks to India.

You see it clearly with the Mirage vs F-16 (Mirage not nearly as many buyers over it's life time, it's fast being dropped from service and upgrades don't go past beyond Mirage-2000-5). While the oldest F-16s are now receiving AESAs, updated cockpits, sensors, weapons etc. Latest or upgraded F-16s outclass the Mirage.

One needs enough orders for a program to survive decades and undergo several iterations of upgrades.

Rafale AESA radar in the force in 2013.
EF differents AESA radars always in test in mid 2020.... ALL IS SAID MY DEAR.

 

[Immanuel]

You news is from january.....
Things has changed a lot since.

Turkish Media: Greece's F-35 Jets Will Turn The Aegean Sea Into A Greek Lake

Haluk Özdalga, a prominent Turkish journalist and former member of the Justice and Development Party (AKP) that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan belongs

greekcitytimes.com

Don't worry the Greek F-35 order will come, the seeds of negotiation were planted in early 2020 when the Greeks went over to meet the Teflon Don. There will be contract soon enough. Same for Rafale, there is no contract yet.

Discussions take time.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

I am sure that it can be integrated on the Rafale if the US can be persuaded to sell it to India. And of course India will have to pay for the integration which will not be cheap nor will it happen overnight. On the Mirage with it's RDY-3 radar, not worth it as the radar will not be able to exploit the full range of the missile.

Thr RDY3 cant exploit even the 120C5?

Amraam and M2K should integrate as both are NATO standard weapons.

Also why will US not sell C5 to India?

AMRAAM is longer than MICA : as METEOR, not sure 4 can be put under the frame of M2000.
Range of RDY versus AMRAAM range : RDY3 is said to have > 120km range. range of AMRAAM D is not really known. We just know that the range of Meteor is better, and No Escape Zone of Meteor is in the 60km zone... ie AMRAAM D is less. So a RDY3 may not exploit the full AMRAAM D range (but in a rocket like mode, ie with a so small pk...) but easily the NEZ and more.

Thing is M2K is hopelessly outranged against Paki BVRs. Amraam C5 will give it parity with paki f16s with C5.

 

[Immanuel]

Rafale AESA radar in the force in 2013.
EF differents AESA radars always in test in mid 2020.... ALL IS SAID MY DEAR.

Well it will be delivered to Kuwait end 2020, that's all that matters.

RBE-2 is now in service and that's good too.

Thales' RBE2 AESA Radar Production Output

Thales has delivered 32 out of 60 RBE2-AA active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars contracted in 2012 to equip France’s new-build RAFALE fighters, with deliveries not set to resume until three current export orders have been fulfilled. When Egypt, Qatar and ...

www.monch.com

 

[BON PLAN]

Turkish Media: Greece's F-35 Jets Will Turn The Aegean Sea Into A Greek Lake

Haluk Özdalga, a prominent Turkish journalist and former member of the Justice and Development Party (AKP) that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan belongs

greekcitytimes.com

Don't worry the Greek F-35 order will come, the seeds of negotiation were planted in early 2020 when the Greeks went over to meet the Teflon Don. There will be contract soon enough. Same for Rafale, there is no contract yet.

Discussions take time.

Sure the greeks appreciate the strong US support against Turkey......

 

[Swiftfarts]

Current IAF arsenal.

 

[Immanuel]

Sure the greeks appreciate the strong US support against Turkey......

US prepares to quit strategic Incirlik air base amid increasing Turkish belligerence

ANKARA: A provocative live-fire drill by the Turkish navy off the coast of Cyprus was branded illegal on Saturday, as reports emerged that the US is drawing up plans to withdraw from the strategic Incirlik air force base. “We don’t know what’s going to happen to Incirlik,” Ron Johnson, the US...

www.arabnews.com

Don't worry US-Turkey decoupling in happening.

Is The US About To Move Its 50 Nuclear Bombs From Turkey To A Greek Island?

Speculation is growing that the US could be preparing to withdraw the 50 nuclear warheads it currently stores in the former Armenian town of İncirlik in

greekcitytimes.com

Those nukes from Turkey will move to Greece, if not done already. Moving those nukes there also means a Greek F-35 buy is inevitable while Upgraded Greek F-16Vs can also deploy them as well.

 

[BON PLAN]

Thr RDY3 cant exploit even the 120C5?

RDY3 range > AMRAAM 120 C5/7 so no problem

 

[BON PLAN]

US prepares to quit strategic Incirlik air base amid increasing Turkish belligerence

ANKARA: A provocative live-fire drill by the Turkish navy off the coast of Cyprus was branded illegal on Saturday, as reports emerged that the US is drawing up plans to withdraw from the strategic Incirlik air force base. “We don’t know what’s going to happen to Incirlik,” Ron Johnson, the US...

www.arabnews.com

Don't worry US-Turkey decoupling in happening.

Is The US About To Move Its 50 Nuclear Bombs From Turkey To A Greek Island?

Speculation is growing that the US could be preparing to withdraw the 50 nuclear warheads it currently stores in the former Armenian town of İncirlik in

greekcitytimes.com

Those nukes from Turkey will move to Greece, if not done already. Moving those nukes there also means a Greek F-35 buy is inevitable while Upgraded Greek F-16Vs can also deploy them as well.

GOOD NEWS !

 

[Swiftfarts]

Lol. The F18 doesn’t come with shit. Rafale packs in more specs that the hornets. Period.
It’s a well known understanding that India requested ordered the rafale decked out. To the brim with add-on’s. And it’s very clear what the add on is intended to do, so much so that China wanted to steal project management documents to understand it. The add on is fully geared for nuclear delivery. These 36 rafales are fully intended for nuclear deterrence.
No matter how much anyone says here about F16’s and F18’s being better than rafales, turn a deaf ear to them. If you’re taking about the F35s, then yes, that’s up for debate. Any other fighter? -> Case closed. Rafale would win by a mile ahead.

No it's not Case closed. lol . You have no idea what you are talking about here. Rafale is nowhere close to many 4++ generation fighters, forget 5th generation one like F 35, F 22. Latest F 18 versions & F 15EX both are much more advance than rafale. active cancellation against a modern LPI radar is as real as Santa clause

 

[BON PLAN]

No it's not Case closed. lol . You have no idea what you are talking about here. Rafale is nowhere close to many 4++ generation fighters, forget 5th generation one like F 35, F 22. Latest F 18 versions & F 15EX both are much more advance than rafale. active cancellation against a modern LPI radar is as real as Santa clause

Another noob....
"Hello Noob".

 

[Swiftfarts]

Another noob....
"Hello Noob".

Why don't you enlighten me with some mind boggling facts about super duper Rafale.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Everyone is bullying each other in this thread.
Currently the biggest threat of Rafale is J-16 which is deployed near LAC.
And on paper that aircraft comes close to Su-35.

 

[Swiftfarts]

Everyone is bullying each other in this thread.
Currently the biggest threat of Rafale is J-16 which is deployed near LAC.
And on paper that aircraft comes close to Su-35.

Than why did Chinese bought SU 35 if J 16 is such a mighty beast ? even if J 16 do carry an AESA , it doesn't mean s**t. Rafale is superior period.

 

[BON PLAN]

Why don't you enlighten me with some mind boggling facts about super duper Rafale.

Eh, Young Noob, just read the 966 pages of this forum and after that come again.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Than why did Chinese bought SU 35 if J 16 is such a mighty beast ? even if J 16 do carry an AESA , it doesn't mean s**t. Rafale is superior period.

Well you are right it's a inferior to Su-35 but that aircraft is quite capable and is a clear threat.
Anyway many Chinese experts do claim that they bought su-35 to learn technical aspects of that aircraft and to support "Russian aerospace industry"

 

[Sridhar_TN]

No it's not Case closed. lol . You have no idea what you are talking about here. Rafale is nowhere close to many 4++ generation fighters, forget 5th generation one like F 35, F 22. Latest F 18 versions & F 15EX both are much more advance than rafale. active cancellation against a modern LPI radar is as real as Santa clause

Ok man. Surely the rafales ew suite is bs. Nothing compared to the great and venerable F18 that only the usnavy apparently wants. F15EX more advanced than rafale?
I’m sure you know what you’re talking about. The fart in your name says it all. Lol.
For you ma man, case definitely closed.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Why don't you enlighten me with some mind boggling facts about super duper Rafale.

Why don’t you enlighten yourself?

 

[Immanuel]

Well the Rafale in India brings ability to deploy Meteor, Mica RF/IR, Hammers, Paveways in existing stock, Stormshadow. ISE version is not ready yet to eventually the Rafale in India will carry Spice Family.

Technically till ISE version arrives, the current MKI outguns the Rafale in terms of weapons flexibility, Brahmos being the centre piece. Meteor gives Rafale an edge in BVR and Hammer, Storm shadow provides some decent abilities but Rafale still has a long way to go in order to make it really effective in the Indian context. Ideally we need Garuda, Garuthma, Nirbhay, Guided HSLD, Astra, ARM to be fully operational in the Indian context.