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I never said rafale EW suite or Rafale to be inferior, only inferior to American one.
Why inferior to US EW suite?
Spectra used 25% of the total R&D costs of the rafale project. It's huge. And Thales is not a noob in this field.
France has a very long and fruitfull experience with EW suites : it begun with the Mirage IV, to help the french birds to deliver the nuclear device. So it was a key system and, because our birds are not as numerous as the US army, we invested massively in that.
Spectra is probably THE BEST ew suite in the world so far.
 

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Active cNc

EW suite is no way inferior to American F18s or F15EX. That’s a guarantee.
active canceling Is only a myth to an unlearned/untrained system. Active canceling is not and will not be a myth to a system that is exposed to emissions of a certain radar class. There are a variety of ways a radar can be tricked. When the source radar is commanded to maintain line of sight to target and store a track file of it, it does so if the target does not mess with the return signals. Modern radars can find out and know if the returned signals are messed with. Once you know all possible radar track emissions coming out of the source radar, you can actively transmit and spoof the original wavelength. This is why the rafales/mirages are known for snooping on all kinds of aircraft for decades to maintain extensive libraries for different class of radars. In fact there is a theory floating around that the only reason rafales participate in red flag exercises with the USAF is to snoop and suck up all electronic emissions in the air.
USAF did not even have a single aircraft close to the capability shown by rafale until the F35(potentially) was on the scene.
You're right.
The average people think it needs very complicated software to calculate and elaborate thing. So always late versus the opponent radar.
In fact it is possible to make it easy, without hard and time consuming software treatments.
But I have already talked too much....
 

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SU 57 is inferior to rafale on optronics, EW, radar front and even sensor fusion.
Impossible to say now : Su57 is always in a developpment phase.

The nose cone is big : it can fit a large radar. But they are late in AESA....
The low band radars in the wings, when ready, may be a powerfull solution against stealth threat.
Optronic : russia has a long experience in.
EW : they invest massively.

SO..... just wait and see
 

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This whole claim about f-16 and su-30mki sounds like bs....only source of this is paki claims
not really. some datas were given by some indian peoples during their training on Rafale in France. Pilot? technical crew ? I don't know.
If true, the problem was mainly on the unability at this special time to connect the two SU30 (my reading is : one was in front, radar OFF to fire a missile, waiting for a fire solution from the second one, back, radar ON. But there was a data link problem to transmit the data from the SU back to the SU in front...)
 

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Why inferior to US EW suite?
Spectra used 25% of the total R&D costs of the rafale project. It's huge. And Thales is not a noob in this field.
France has a very long and fruitfull experience with EW suites : it begun with the Mirage IV, to help the french birds to deliver the nuclear device. So it was a key system and, because our birds are not as numerous as the US army, we invested massively in that.
Spectra is probably THE BEST ew suite in the world so far.
Your thoughts on a dedicated EW platform (escort category) which is French?
 

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You're right.
The average people think it needs very complicated software to calculate and elaborate thing. So always late versus the opponent radar.
In fact it is possible to make it easy, without hard and time consuming software treatments.
But I have already talked too much....
Does Physics work differently in France ? DRFM doesn't work against an advance frequency agile radar.
Trying usin DRFM again a single AESA working in wider bandwidth hopping frequency in different pattern 1000 times or more in a second, Without knowing it's prior signature or pattern. Your active cancellation will turn into active nightmare in no time.
 

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Impossible to say now : Su57 is always in a developpment phase.

The nose cone is big : it can fit a large radar. But they are late in AESA....
The low band radars in the wings, when ready, may be a powerfull solution against stealth threat.
Optronic : russia has a long experience in.
EW : they invest massively.

SO..... just wait and see
Would that not make SU57 a prime candidate then for it to be developed as an EW escort with formation of MKIs? Can go in numbers after Rafales have done the initial dirty work.
 

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Impossible to say now : Su57 is always in a developpment phase.

The nose cone is big : it can fit a large radar. But they are late in AESA....
The low band radars in the wings, when ready, may be a powerfull solution against stealth threat.
Optronic : russia has a long experience in.
EW : they invest massively.

SO..... just wait and see
L band in wing are for IFF. It ain't detecting any stealth plane and you are a idiot if you think stealth planes are not stealthy in lower bands.
 

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L band in wing are for IFF. It ain't detecting any stealth plane and you are a idiot if you think stealth planes are not stealthy in lower bands.
My little fart noob, the F35 and F22 are mainly studied to be stealthy in X band or near. And mainly from front.
To be stealth in low band radar requier so thick RAM that it is not possible in fact for a jet. Only possible for B2 like big bird.

Next time my little noob, raise a finger to ask permission to answer.
 

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My little fart noob, the F35 and F22 are mainly studied to be stealthy in X band or near. And mainly from front.
To be stealth in low band radar requier so thick RAM that it is not possible in fact for a jet. Only possible for B2 like big bird.

Next time my little noob, raise a finger to ask permission to answer.
You are the biggest clown in this and other forums. Even russian troll's are not this pathetic.
 

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not really. some datas were given by some indian peoples during their training on Rafale in France. Pilot? technical crew ? I don't know.
If true, the problem was mainly on the unability at this special time to connect the two SU30 (my reading is : one was in front, radar OFF to fire a missile, waiting for a fire solution from the second one, back, radar ON. But there was a data link problem to transmit the data from the SU back to the SU in front...)
These is too cheesy to believe considering general operational secrecy especially when there are failures. I mean really, just imagine.....I would expect paf to have shot down if such a thing happened. I am not saying it is impossible because I can see the fuck up's Indians do by making a kichidi....it is actually very possible. But the level of details that are talked about do not even come out for years from any side. Glad it happened then vs with China at war time....
 

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Would that not make SU57 a prime candidate then for it to be developed as an EW escort with formation of MKIs? Can go in numbers after Rafales have done the initial dirty work.

The MKI now have the heavy SAP Jammers for that role which is more or less a Growler equivalent. Those jammers have been used extensively over Syria to great effect.

What will be interesting to know is how the SAP and Spectra will interact together. Such as will there be interference?

I think a big benefit of now having Rafale and the newer SAP jammers on MKIs is that both aircraft can be pitted against one another. I think an MKI practicing against Rafales and Rafales practicing against MKIs can much better prepare Indian pilots for threats against Pakistan and China. With better trained Indian pilots using generally better avionics it would probably be more difficult for Indian pilots to score kills against other Indian pilots as opposed to scoring kills against the real enemy. Pakistan can train F-16 vs JF-17 but it would, in my opinion, be less valuable then Rafales training against MKIs. Especially in terms of electronic warfare capabilities.
 

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