Know Your 'Rafale'

[bose]

We have enough Sukhois their upgrade is more important than increase in number now.

What we need is Tejas mk2 like platform in huge numbers to overwhelm the paki sky.

Rafale another 18 will be enough for now.

The batch of mig 29 squadron and 2-3 upcoming Su squadrons are good enough.

If Rafale cost make sense to produce here then it's good else it is done.

Tejas - MK - 2 is very critical and hope there will be no further delays and HAL can ramp up the production with the private players ...

Four sqd of Rafale in next 3 years, two on the Chinese and two for the Pakis will be good to have ...

 

[JBH22]

Based on latest media report it appears the F-21 will be shoved down our throat in mmrca2.0. I hope that is not the case better buy 2 rafales squadron and take more Tejas

 

[fire starter]

Based on latest media report it appears the F-21 will be shoved down our throat in mmrca2.0. I hope that is not the case better buy 2 rafales squadron and take more Tejas

Who said that it is not going to happen.

 

[JBH22]

USA not going to offer India F22A Raptor

F 21 read the post again
As per Maj Arora (retd) he stated couple of times that F 21 is at forefront for the mmrca2.0

 

[akhil mehta]

Based on latest media report it appears the F-21 will be shoved down our throat in mmrca2.0. I hope that is not the case better buy 2 rafales squadron and take more Tejas

Sorry i read wrong i thought you said F22

F21 is not a bad choice its a good MR Aircraft
Its has very good avionics. Extended range and most important its cheap to operate.
and
MMRCA 2.0 not going to effect the purchase of additional rafale.
Indian Air force already wants 44 additional rafale.
They are submitting a proposal for it
and Additional 44 rafale will cost india under 5 billion because all the infrastructure for maintenance (by indian companies)and operating (by IAF trained By FAF and Dassault) a aircraft already done.
in Ambala AB where there is s infrastructure to hold maintain and operate more than 40 aircraft in peace time. than there is other facility in Hasimara with Additional 40 aircraft facility . So more rafale are granted india already made that investment.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Sorry i read wrong i thought you said F22

F21 is not a bad choice its a good MR Aircraft
Its has very good avionics. Extended range and most important its cheap to operate.
and
MMRCA 2.0 not going to effect the purchase of additional rafale.
Indian Air force already wants 44 additional rafale.
They are submitting a proposal for it
and Additional 44 rafale will cost india under 5 billion because all the infrastructure for maintenance (by indian companies)and operating (by IAF trained By FAF and Dassault) a aircraft already done.
in Ambala AB where there is s infrastructure to hold maintain and operate more than 40 aircraft in peace time. than there is other facility in Hasimara with Additional 40 aircraft facility . So more rafale are granted india already made that investment.

It is a bad choice another platform isn't required . Either Rafale or Tejas these are two option. Unless USA offers their old F-16s for free.

The only American platform we might be interested in is superhornet.

F 21 or F-16 ain't coming here for sure.

 

[piKacHHu]

F 21 read the post again
As per Maj Arora (retd) he stated couple of times that F 21 is at forefront for the mmrca2.0

True, F-21 is front runner "L1" candidate if it qualifies on all the technical parameters. But the problem is IAF chief himself talked about Rafale class fighters for MMRCA which I am afraid F-21 doesn't belong to. It's going to be fight between Typhoon and Rafale as both would qualify in technical round as was the case during MRCA 1.0.
For commercial part, Rafale would have the edge as it could subtract the existing cost for support and logistics which is coming along the 36 fighter deal. Typhoon, however, could leverage from its bloated order book to decrease the unit price further to win the order. All depends upon how much they invest in putting local assembly line.

 

[akhil mehta]

It is a bad choice another platform isn't required . Either Rafale or Tejas these are two option
Unless USA offers their old F-16s for free.

Yes you are right but india can't afford (operational cost wise) big aircraft
India already have SU30MKI , RAFALE , MIG29 for that. 272(11)+36(44)+67(23) =375(78) around 450

F/A18 is a great aircraft but its too expensive to operate compared to F21/Saab and buying only twin engines big aircraft will burden the IAF allocations .
F/A 18 would be great candidate for IN

India need single engine low cost high value aircraft
India already have its desi aircraft
Tejas ,

India should consider F21 or Saab Griphn

In these two

F21 is good bet because after buying F21 india will become the part of LM global supply chain and all the F21 will be manufactured in India and This version only for India and they also offered help in development of MWF and AMCA.

 

[fire starter]

Yes you are right but india can't afford (operational cost wise) big aircraft
India already have SU30MKI , RAFALE , MIG29 for that. 272(11)+36(44)+67(23) =375(78) around 450

F/A18 is a great aircraft but its too expensive to operate compared to F21/Saab and buying only twin engines big aircraft will burden the IAF allocations .
F/A 18 would be great candidate for IN

India need single engine low cost high value aircraft
India already have its desi aircraft
Tejas ,
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India should consider F21 or Saab Griphn

In these two

F21 is good bet because after buying F21 india will become the part of LM global supply chain and all the F21 will be manufactured in India and This version only for India and they also offered help in development of MWF and AMCA.

MWF will be dead after selection of f21 . Air force wants twin engine medium category aircraft.

 

[porky_kicker]

To those who are indulging in kayali pulao

Better ask IAF about their experiences with f16 during mmrca trials . Gripen was a tad better but with zero sovereignty being provided by Sweden for most of the sub systems including the engines. GoI refused to engage with US for the gripen engines , insisting that Sweden themselves provide ironclad guarantees for all foreign components in gripen which they were not able to obviously.

SMH at the ignorance

 

[assassin162]

Yes you are right but india can't afford (operational cost wise) big aircraft
India already have SU30MKI , RAFALE , MIG29 for that. 272(11)+36(44)+67(23) =375(78) around 450

F/A18 is a great aircraft but its too expensive to operate compared to F21/Saab and buying only twin engines big aircraft will burden the IAF allocations .
F/A 18 would be great candidate for IN

India need single engine low cost high value aircraft
India already have its desi aircraft
Tejas ,
View attachment 51250

India should consider F21 or Saab Griphn

In these two

F21 is good bet because after buying F21 india will become the part of LM global supply chain and all the F21 will be manufactured in India and This version only for India and they also offered help in development of MWF and AMCA.

Koi zabardasti hai kya? I dont understand these F 21 proponents. Man na man tera mehman type attitude. India is producing enough single engine fighters already and enough are planned.
Only foreign thing we need is which gives us a definite edge against both our adversaries that is China and Pak. It is not being bought for the sake of numbers, but for being tip of the spear.

 

[WARREN SS]

Yes you are right but india can't afford (operational cost wise) big aircraft
India already have SU30MKI , RAFALE , MIG29 for that. 272(11)+36(44)+67(23) =375(78) around 450

F/A18 is a great aircraft but its too expensive to operate compared to F21/Saab and buying only twin engines big aircraft will burden the IAF allocations .
F/A 18 would be great candidate for IN

India need single engine low cost high value aircraft
India already have its desi aircraft
Tejas ,
View attachment 51250

India should consider F21 or Saab Griphn

In these two

F21 is good bet because after buying F21 india will become the part of LM global supply chain and all the F21 will be manufactured in India and This version only for India and they also offered help in development of MWF and AMCA.

Well American Platform Gives You Variety Of Edge in Weapons Package

But F-21 is Not Very far Sighted As We can get 7-8 Squadrons Of Rafale in Same Price

We have options For 36 More Rafale in 4-5 Billion $ as per old deal

We can buy 5-6 In 10 billion $

MMRCA 2.0 Deal cost

 

[WARREN SS]

Koi zabardasti hai kya? I dont understand these F 21 proponents. Man na man tera mehman type attitude. India is producing enough single engine fighters already and enough are planned.
Only foreign thing we need is which gives us a definite edge against both our adversaries that is China and Pak. It is not being bought for the sake of numbers, but for being tip of the spear.

F-21 Will gives Edge Its defiantly upto the technology

Point Why Buy it Over Rafale

 

[akhil mehta]

MWF will be dead after selection of f21 . Air force wants twin engine medium category aircraft.

Air force wants twin engines medium category Aircraft and they got 36 Rafale (additional 44).

If IAF still wants more twin engines aircraft than they are mad
if 114 more twin engine aircraft acquired by India then IAF will almost matches the USAF twin engines fighter aircraft number .
F15 eagle/egale strike: 400 (decreasing) + F22 : 177 = 577 aircrafts
SU30MKI 277(11) + MIG29 67(23) + REFALE 36 + 114 = 528 aircrafts

Indian Air force operationl cost will skyrocketed and burden the budget for the purchase of 5th generation aircraft (250+)

Buying F21 will not effect anything not it will effect the purchase of additional Rafale nor it will stop the MWF program.

 

[WARREN SS]

Buying F21 will not effect anything not it will effect the purchase of additional Rafale nor it will stop the MWF program.

114 F-21 Deal Pecked At 15 billion $ With TASL Let say We took the deal

how Will We Buy 44 Additional rafale When We already Order 5 billion $ For LCA MK1A

 

[assassin162]

Rather than just comparing number of single engine and double engine fighters of India and America, people should better compare operational cost of American and Indian fighters.

 

[akhil mehta]

Well American Platform Gives You Variety Of Edge in Weapons Package

But F-21 is Not Very far Sighted As We can get 7-8 Squadrons Of Rafale in Same Price

We have options For 36 More Rafale in 4-5 Billion $ as per old deal

We can buy 5-6 In 10 billion $

MMRCA 2.0 Deal cost

Buying additional Rafale (44) is almost a done deal there is no way MMRCA 2.0 Will effect that .
More realistic scenario will be after buying additional Rafale india will scrap the MMRCA 2.0 program.
If India still go ahead with MMRCA 2.0 after buying additional rafale. Then most probably choice will be F21

 

[assassin162]

F-21 Will gives Edge Its defiantly upto the technology

Point Why Buy it Over Rafale

Edge in the sense that till next 15-20 years till AMCA comes of age against both Chinese and Pak aircrafts whatever they will get in next 15-20 years.

 

[WARREN SS]

Buying additional Rafale (44) is almost a done deal there is no way MMRCA 2.0 Will effect that .
More realistic scenario will be after buying additional Rafale india will scrap the MMRCA 2.0 program.
If India still go ahead with MMRCA 2.0 after buying additional rafale. Then most probably choice will be F21

Where are the Funds ??? MOD Planning To Postpone Nuclear IAC-3 Just To go ahead With MMRCA 2.0

We Also Committed To buy 5 billion $ of LCA M1A in Next 5 years

Were the Capex for that ??

 

[WARREN SS]

Edge in the sense that till next 15-20 years till AMCA comes of age against both Chinese and Pak aircrafts whatever they will get in next 15-20 years.

Why F-21 Why not rafale ???? Training cost Will be added