Know Your 'Rafale'

[Assassin 2.0]

GUY'S DO YOU THINK SOME PARTS OF THIS PLANE WILL BE BUILD IN INDIA? in reliance plant???

 

[itsme]

Can someone with knowledge on this subject shed some light on the advantages Rafale has over Eurofighter and vice-versa? AFAIK I read Eurofighter is somewhat better than Rafale in Air to air and Rafale is better than EF in Air to Ground. Is that correct? And overall EF is heavier than Rafale?

 

[Flying Dagger]

GUY'S DO YOU THINK SOME PARTS OF THIS PLANE WILL BE BUILD IN INDIA? in reliance plant???

They didn't do it as a G2G deal but direct commercial deal. So there is no offset involved.

Meanwhile Dassault and Airbus are two distinct companies . So unless something commercially benefit Airbus here i don't think so.

 

[BON PLAN]

Can someone with knowledge on this subject shed some light on the advantages Rafale has over Eurofighter and vice-versa? AFAIK I read Eurofighter is somewhat better than Rafale in Air to air and Rafale is better than EF in Air to Ground. Is that correct? And overall EF is heavier than Rafale?

Rafale is better on all fields, except on theorical max speed and max altitude.

read Swiss eval :

and it was in 2011, with the PESA radar... now Rafale has a mature AESA radar, unlike EF. The game is over.

 

[BON PLAN]

Rafale is better on all fields, except on theorical max speed and max altitude.

read Swiss eval :
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and it was in 2011, with the PESA radar... now Rafale has a mature AESA radar, unlike EF. The game is over.

The 2008 Rafale is even better than the 2015 EF !!!!

 

[Flying Dagger]

The 2008 Rafale is even better than the 2015 EF !!!!

True only an alien fighter jet can think of defeating Rafale until it get shot first.

 

[Armand2REP]

True only an alien fighter jet can think of defeating Rafale until it get shot first.

The entire fleet of Rafale have been upgraded with AESA radars, is there even one active duty Typhoon that has one?

 

[Bhurki]

The price of F-35A has come down to $78M.
https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...d-deal-f-35-prices-fall-to-78-million-a-copy/
The fresh price tag has come a year earlier than expected. The deal includes 478 F-35s for U.S. and international customers across lots 12, 13 and 14.
Comparing that to a 'barebones' rafale cost of $101.5M(Eur91.75M)
paid in the IGA agreement between India and France.
Its crazy a 5th gen stealth aircraft is being manufactured cheaper than a non stealth one.

 

[BON PLAN]

The entire fleet of Rafale have been upgraded with AESA radars, is there even one active duty Typhoon that has one?

No. Only the last Rafale delivered from 2013 to nowadays are AESA equipped.

 

[BON PLAN]

The price of F-35A has come down to $78M.
https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...d-deal-f-35-prices-fall-to-78-million-a-copy/
The fresh price tag has come a year earlier than expected. The deal includes 478 F-35s for U.S. and international customers across lots 12, 13 and 14.
Comparing that to a 'barebones' rafale cost of $101.5M(Eur91.75M)
paid in the IGA agreement between India and France.
Its crazy a 5th gen stealth aircraft is being manufactured cheaper than a non stealth one.

LM use a technique well known by the liner engines supplier : They sell the product less than the real cost, but the spare parts are costlier. 40 years of spare parts made a huge benefit.
It's like you purchase a brand new Maseratti to a Fiat 500 price, but each overhaul to be invoiced 50.000 $, each oil filter 1000 $, each tyre 8000$ ....

The F35 is even not FOC, that means that ther will be some others costly upgrades, not in this appeal price.

At the end, the customer has the choice between a 101 million$ fully operational Rafale and a 78 million $ not truly IOC F35, with a lot of costly upgrades to follow....

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Can someone with knowledge on this subject shed some light on the advantages Rafale has over Eurofighter and vice-versa? AFAIK I read Eurofighter is somewhat better than Rafale in Air to air and Rafale is better than EF in Air to Ground. Is that correct? And overall EF is heavier than Rafale?

EF has more power, Lower RCS, better Maneuverability. Rafale has better load carrying, better EW suite and IFRTS.

 

[Armand2REP]

No. Only the last Rafale delivered from 2013 to nowadays are AESA equipped.

Every Rafale is being upgraded to F3R and AESA is part of it.

France To Upgrade 144 Rafale Fighter Jets To F3-R Standard, Same As Export

 

[BON PLAN]

EF has more power, Lower RCS, better Maneuverability. Rafale has better load carrying, better EW suite and IFRTS.

More power : yes, but a less efficient aero. The sole improvement against Rafale is a slightly better climb speed.
Lower RCS : NO. In all the recent air to air training, an EF is seen from a higher range than a Rafale.
Better agility : NO. It's why the GB don't want to train no more against Rafale, because they are smashed quite everytime (in Corsica some years ago a training ended by a 7-1 victory for Rafale against British EF, with GB choice of speed and altitude of the training...).

 

[BON PLAN]

Every Rafale is being upgraded to F3R and AESA is part of it.

France To Upgrade 144 Rafale Fighter Jets To F3-R Standard, Same As Export

the answer is in your source : "Some 144 Dassault Rafale fighter jets in French service will be upgraded to the F3-R standard"
No, all the french Rafale are not AESA equipped. Only 60 AESA radars were purchased with the 5th batch, and not all delivered to the force.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Lower RCS : NO. In all the recent air to air training, an EF is seen from a higher range than a Rafale.

Please check RCS figure. EF has lower RCS compared to Rafale though the difference is not much.

Better agility : NO. It's why the GB don't want to train no more against Rafale, because they are smashed quite everytime (in Corsica some years ago a training ended by a 7-1 victory for Rafale against British EF, with GB choice of speed and altitude of the training...).

This may be because better EW. I specifically remember a quote from one EF pilot that in specific scenario, it bleed energy but recovers very fast because of its very powerful engine. EF faster and has better altitude figures because of its engine. When you say that Rafale score 7-1 against EF and if I consider that to be true, it is not a proof of superior maneuverability of Rafale. There is a huge difference in dry thrust of both the engines and hence recovery of EF should be faster so as maneuverability.

 

[Armand2REP]

the answer is in your source : "Some 144 Dassault Rafale fighter jets in French service will be upgraded to the F3-R standard"
No, all the french Rafale are not AESA equipped. Only 60 AESA radars were purchased with the 5th batch, and not all delivered to the force.

Um...no, it is all of them. There have been several upgraded Rafale already delivered this year to F3R standard, your Thales info is outdated.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Euro fighter is also much more expensive than Rafale.
And because of involvement of so many countries spares and war time back out issue also exists.

 

[BON PLAN]

Um...no, it is all of them. There have been several upgraded Rafale already delivered this year to F3R standard, your Thales info is outdated.

I have seen absolutely no news about a new purchase of AESA RBE2. Such a radar costs some € millions each. It's not a small purchase (115 planes to upgrade means ine the 300 to 500 € millions)
PESA remains in the force. And will probably be replaced by a new GaN antenna radar in some years (F5 ?)

 

[Flying Dagger]

Every Rafale is being upgraded to F3R and AESA is part of it.

France To Upgrade 144 Rafale Fighter Jets To F3-R Standard, Same As Export

Well headline of your source state the obvious Why don't you atleast read it again mate or you think they upgraded all of them in a year ?

Export variant of Typhoon will come equipped with AESA too .

More power : yes, but a less efficient aero. The sole improvement against Rafale is a slightly better climb speed.
Lower RCS : NO. In all the recent air to air training, an EF is seen from a higher range than a Rafale.
Better agility : NO. It's why the GB don't want to train no more against Rafale, because they are smashed quite everytime (in Corsica some years ago a training ended by a 7-1 victory for Rafale against British EF, with GB choice of speed and altitude of the training...).

They lost against old Sukhoi 30 too .

Eurojet is a better engine with higher thrust and efficiency infact unlike M88 it has potential of growth too. If their was any issue they would have easily uprated the engine but I don't see any demand for that or any future plan?

Typhoon have higher speed climb rate agility will definitely give them a first shot in wvr against Rafale if handled by a well trained pilot instead of Britishers.

You had training exc. against Germans ? Luftwaffe itself have major maintenance issue with Typhhon though.

It's RCS is lower too but technologically far behind compared to Rafale and Gripen in ew warfare . It needs a serious upgrade there.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

This fuckin idiot should be busted when he is on his Thailand trip.

Everyone does everything for profit. Your mom danced at bar for having quick sex or for money?

Why they will sell jets without profit wo chacha ka ladka lagta tumhre?.