Know Your 'Rafale'

[Immanuel]

If you need to do a hail mary nuclear strike then Rafale does suit best. At least until the last 90-ish km. Brahmos has a major problem shared by air breathing ramjet missiles which is range. That's why govt. has to go for Nirbhay for 1000 km+ strike range.

A nuke strike by Rafale? Toss bombing or a precision nuke monition drop? Dude what are you talking about? Brahmos already has a range of over 450km in current version, upcoming next year with ranges of over 800km. Nirbhay is not a reliable nuke strike missile especially when going for well defended areas, it's too slow for modern defenses. SFC's current nuke strike force consists of 20 Jags and an ever increasing force of Brahmos capable MKI. While the Jag's role would probably be replaced by the Rafale for Precision nuke bombing. The mainstay and perhaps the most reliable air delivery asset for IAF remains Brahmos-A from the MKI and that will be the case.

 

[Immanuel]

Who, except you, say such BS?
It only a help.
We are busy enough in the sub saharian band (where we fought as the leader nation).

Leader nation :bs:, a nation that rolled over the moment the Nazis crossed over can not be a Leader nation.

 

[Immanuel]

Su 30 MKI with jammers won't be able to reduce size to same levels as Rafale. EW systems as advanced as SPECTRA are unavailable to IAF currently.

Canards don't necessarily affect the RCS always. A lot of factors like nose cone composites, inlets, wing body blended design, etc also matter.

Marketing posters and cool infographics don't make a platform capable against an advanced foe. These posters don't win wars, using the right tool at the right time with the right people and sound strategy can give the highest chance of positive outcomes.

 

[Immanuel]

Rafale has lower RCS by using EW jammers. Its actual RCS is not 0.15 or less. F35 has that kind of RCS. Rafale is not a stealthy design. Some stealth may have been added but it is not fully stealthy

A Rafale with any kind of stores or weapons can be detected hundreds of km away using advanced early warning radars, air defense radars, low level radars. While using Spectra it might slip past one set of radars, it won't be able to actually penetrate a well layered network of defenses.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Maybe they have to work on training and on courses.
For Syrian people for exemple. LOL

https://defence-blog.com/news/russi...il-20-electronic-reconnaissance-aircraft.html

S200 is ancient technology of 1970s. There can be no comparison with it.

 

[vampyrbladez]

A nuke strike by Rafale? Toss bombing or a precision nuke monition drop? Dude what are you talking about? Brahmos already has a range of over 450km in current version, upcoming next year with ranges of over 800km. Nirbhay is not a reliable nuke strike missile especially when going for well defended areas, it's too slow for modern defenses. SFC's current nuke strike force consists of 20 Jags and an ever increasing force of Brahmos capable MKI. While the Jag's role would probably be replaced by the Rafale for Precision nuke bombing. The mainstay and perhaps the most reliable air delivery asset for IAF remains Brahmos-A from the MKI and that will be the case.

Tactical nukes by cruise missiles are back in fashion. Even the US is going for a whole new line of low yield nukes.

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2018/02/pentagon-nuclear-cruise-missile-russia/145689/

https://thediplomat.com/2018/03/wil...-destroyer-be-armed-with-nuke-cruise-missile/

The IAF is going to put the first 36 Rafales into SAC for precision bombing role owing to it's reduced RCS.

https://thediplomat.com/2016/09/its...sign-8-7-billion-deal-for-36-rafale-fighters/

 

[vampyrbladez]

A Rafale with any kind of stores or weapons can be detected hundreds of km away using advanced early warning radars, air defense radars, low level radars. While using Spectra it might slip past one set of radars, it won't be able to actually penetrate a well layered network of defenses.

Which is why a combination of SCALP, BrahMos and Rafale is required to penetrate into contested airspace. 10 years ago S 300 was the big threat. Now it is common to see even Iran flaunt it. S 400 is the new 'cool' thing in market.

By using approaches from multiple angles, you stress an enemy's ISR strategy and create breaks in their defences. Multiple Rafale paired with Su 30MKI can complement each other. Rafale suppress the AD/AA units there while Su 30 MKI acts as bomb truck using it's near AWACS range radars to network with other groups to identify, track and eliminate aerial and ground targets.

On the way back, Su 30 MKI can act in it's air superiority role while Rafale continues SEAD and 'Goalkeeper' role. This is called an integrated battlesphere. Meanwhile Brahmos and SCALP missiles can be guided by passing on controls to other aircraft till they reach target.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Don't underestimate Russian or Indian EW. Indian software and radar division is one of the finest in the world. The software developers in India are no fools. Don't underestimate radar, EW, SPJ or other software related items of India.

I don't underestimate anyone but Russian stuff has a habit of being very sound on paper but actual execution is flawed in a few ways. Chinese stuff is even worse. Western stuff does exactly as promised but has massive initial cost.

We may have good or great but they have the best. Offsets as part of deal will integrate our private industry with theirs which create a true MIC in India for MCA and future projects.

 

[Willy3]

What the new fuss about Holland's comment on rafale deal

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Russian stuff has a habit of being very sound on paper but actual execution is flawed in a few ways

How do you know this? Do you have any reasn to say so?

We may have good or great but they have the best.

In what terms do French have the best? Do they have some super hackers or some batman/ iron man type people?

 

[vampyrbladez]

How do you know this? Do you have any reasn to say so?

In what terms do French have the best? Do they have some super hackers or some batman/ iron man type people?

By their track record. Google it up.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

What the new fuss about Holland's comment on rafale deal

Hollande just showed that France is not trustworthy and not to buy any more rafales from France again.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

By their track record. Google it up.

Don't speak nonsense and ask people to google up things. Give me proper examples and evidence to prove your point. You have never given even a single evidence till date about it despite claiming on every thread. Some tom dick and harry telling things on internet will not mean anything. Is there any proper factual data?

 

[vampyrbladez]

Hollande just showed that France is not trustworthy and not to buy any more rafales from France again.

Nonsense. This is political blurps.........

 

[vampyrbladez]

Don't speak nonsense and ask people to google up things. Give me proper examples and evidence to prove your point. You have never given even a single evidence till date about it despite claiming on every thread. Some tom dick and harry telling things on internet will not mean anything. Is there any proper factual data?

Do some homework on your own terms. You have internet. Search some keywords and snap at it. I'm pretty sure by now with your low factual knowledge and layman language, you may just be trolling here.

 

[srutayus]

The talk of manufacturing Rafales in India by Reliance was during the earlier proposed deal during the UPA era when bada bhai Mukesh Ambani's RIL was being proposed.
This time of course, the 36 aircraft will be manufactured in France and chota bhai's Reliance Defence is one of 70+ offset partners.

 

[Neil]

India proposed Reliance for Rafale deal, claims former French President Hollande

Adding fuel to the ongoing Rafale controversy, former French President François Hollande in an interview to a French online investigative and opinion journal said that Dassault Aviation was given no choice but to partner with Anil Ambani-led Reliance Defence for the offset clause in the Rafale fighter jet deal. Reacting over this news, Defence ministry of India spoksperson tweeted "The report referring to fmr French president Mr. Hollande's statement that GOI insisted upon a particular firm as offset partner for the Dassault Aviation in Rafale is being verified. It is reiterated that neither GoI nor French Govt had any say in the commercial decision."

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Do some homework on your own terms. You have internet. Search some keywords and snap at it. I'm pretty sure by now with your low factual knowledge and layman language, you may just be trolling here.

You do some homework to understand that earth is flat. Just search google!

I am saying that I can't get any information that Russian or Indian EW is useless. You are inventing nonsense which does not exist anywhere at all. You are simply telling lies. It is like claiming earth is flat.

 

[vampyrbladez]

You do some homework to understand that earth is flat. Just search google!

I am saying that I can't get any information that Russian or Indian EW is useless. You are inventing nonsense which does not exist anywhere at all. You are simply telling lies. It is like claiming earth is flat.

Screeching like an autist doesn't help your case. Either put up or shut up. Prove me wrong or you'll prove to everyone that factually you know nothing about fighter jets in particular.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Screeching like an autist doesn't help your case. Either put up or shut up. Prove me wrong or you'll prove to everyone that factually you know nothing about fighter jets in particular.

You are wrong by default unless you can prove that Russian or Indian EW is poor quality. You are trying to judge between people and claim that one person is better than the other. It is not about the existence of something or not which can be directly proven but needs a test result. So, I am asking for test result from which you derived the data.

You are only good at pasting useless pictures and acting smart