Know Your 'Rafale'

[patriots]

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[Butter Chicken]

French weapons supplier to Rafale, Scorpene(MBDA) under scanner for Rs 21 crore donation to NGO


NEW DELHI: A series of donations worth Rs 21 crore by a French arms company — the key weapons provider to Scorpene submarine and Rafale jets — to an Indian NGO have come under the scanner after income-tax raids on a New Delhi-based consultant in June.


The donations, earmarked for mobile medical units in Punjab and Rajasthan, were apparently made under the corporate social responsibility (CSR) programme of MBDA, the French arms manufacturer. Senior officials involved with investigations told ET that the matter has been referred to intelligence agencies for further probe.

 

[BON PLAN]

Metallurgy is the weak link of Indian aircraft propulsion system, which has improved from years, but yet to certify the production of that alloy which has been patented and claimed 3rd gen.

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Yes. But it's very difficult to built a nice fighter engine. It's not only a question of technology, but also of skill. It's a question of know how. See the difficulty of SAFRAN to close the developpment of the Silvercrest affair plane engine : they have the materials, the soft, the compute power, but lacks of this pince of salt...
it's a very hard task. Needed the highest standart in a lot of tech.

 

[BON PLAN]

just add blank. They won't appear on screen, and it works.

 

[Mikesingh]

Pappu said there was a huge scam in the Rafale deal and pointed a finger at the PM and Reliance. Here's the press conference by the defence minister on the issue in three parts....

 

[Armand2REP]

Cairo, Paris to sign deal for 12 new Rafale fighter aircrafts
By: Egypt Today staff
Thu, Nov. 16, 2017

https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/32806/Cairo-Paris-to-sign-deal-for-12-new-Rafale-fighter

 

[binayak95]

India-France is the relationship to watch right now....

 

[Yggdrasil]

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India-France is the relationship to watch right now....

In all fairness, neither France nor India (particularly) are known to be efficient decision-makers. Both parties probably haggling over small matters with lots of hand-gestures involved.

 

[Vinod DX9]

Debunking all the controversies....details anaysis
http://thestrategictimes.com/debunk...orces-16-years-wait-a-details-of-rafale-deal/

 

[Kay]

Yes. But it's very difficult to built a nice fighter engine. It's not only a question of technology, but also of skill. It's a question of know how. See the difficulty of SAFRAN to close the developpment of the Silvercrest affair plane engine : they have the materials, the soft, the compute power, but lacks of this pince of salt...
it's a very hard task. Needed the highest standart in a lot of tech.

The modern Indian nation started pretty late in the technological race, but we are catching up very fast in many areas and closing gaps in others.
Throughout history technological breakthroughs have taken place across the world and some nations and regions have moved ahead on specific technologies. This is a continuous process and there is no reason to believe that India or Asian countries will not move ahead.
We believe that India can bounce back as the hub of technology after our setback due to colonization. In fact, one of the reasons of our colonization we're because we were not at the top of our game technologically.
As regards metallurgy, the rust resistant Ashoka pillar from three millennium before bears testimony to our metallurgical skills. In the middle ages, the best steel were Damascus steel which used Wurtz steel from South India and Sri Lanka. So, technology is always moving and one has to be at the forefront at the top of their games.
There is a reason that a small country like Denmark spends 10% of it's GDP on RnD.
We could move at an even faster pace had our politicians and beaurocrats (and sadly some army officers as well) had not been so easy to be bought.
This is why the emphasis should be on technology, not on shiny toys and specs.

 

[abingdonboy]

It's great if the foreign SE deal is being re-thought by GoI BUT HAL is not doing LCA/itself any favours by missing targets, where is SP-5 for example? I know that production is ramping up but it takes time but still, SP-5 is almost 3 months late now- not good enough!

If 8 SPs by March 2018 target is met then great but right now things are falling into LM/SAAB's hands because the airframes aren't landing in IAF quick enough and there seems to be issues with Mk.1A's development.

 

[Narasimh]

well said narasimha,

but the problem is tejas can handle the entire pakistan fighter squadron varians given its capabilities in close range. in the mean time if the air force needs more fighters on both the fronts taking off from the bases deep inside then there comes the range. also the weapon load, these 100 sef's are intended to fill the gap that would be created by the mirages, while the mig 21 and 27 will have the far superior tejas to fullfill them, sef's will act as dual front aircrafts with large range than the tejas.

while the twin engines are for the replacement of the mig 29's and the jaguars. may be more rafales could add up. the suknoi's will be taken over by the pak-fa, and the AMCA WILL be the next twin engine fighter aircraft.

there is no matter of sidelining the tejas at any cost. while some one suggested enemy has two thousand aircrafts. please kindly note that, the chinese reuire deep hinterland bases to launch them, whiel bramhose can knock off the airfields in its range on western sector, especially even the emergency express runways.

Please look at the current scenario:

Today, the IAF looks at the number of fighter type and attack type squadrons it has got and finds that there is going to be a deficit of 10-12 squadrons of sanctioned strength in the coming decade. Based on that they arrived at the decision that 100 more SEF are required to fight a two front war effectively.

BUT, where did this number "42 squadrons" come from?
It came from a capability assessment that IAF and MoD had done in the 80s. There has not been such an assessment after that and we have changed(capability wise) a LOT after that.

We have gone nuclear(and so has the neighbor), we have proven ballistic missiles, we have advanced cruise missiles, advanced surveillance through Satellites and UAVs plus the other services have evolved too. IAF has not even considered a strategic role for its Hawks trainers or Pilatus trainers yet, which during war time can be weaponized. Plus the sister forces have also increased their capabilities simultaneously.

So, if all is put together now and a capability assessment is done like the 80s, We are sure to deviate from the 42 squadrons and the need for SEFs (mind that not some 5th gen types but 4th gen Gripen/F-16) will not be seen.
Then the focus can be on Tejas alone and developing th national capability. Tejas alone can satisfy the needs of IAF till AMCA or Mk2 comes in. A successful test of Brahmos from Sukhoi also changes the equations.

So, its the MoD that has to take the action here. Appointing a CDS and Joint commands based on geographic regions has to be the starting point. If after doing all this exercise, if its found that Tejas cannot fulfill the role and SEF is required, then definitely spend the billion dollars and get the SEFs.

 

[lcafanboy]

It's great if the foreign SE deal is being re-thought by GoI BUT HAL is not doing LCA/itself any favours by missing targets, where is SP-5 for example? I know that production is ramping up but it takes time but still, SP-5 is almost 3 months late now- not good enough!

If 8 SPs by March 2018 target is met then great but right now things are falling into LM/SAAB's hands because the airframes aren't landing in IAF quick enough and there seems to be issues with Mk.1A's development.

SP-5 is stuck with tobacco eater reservation quota chaap employees of HAL. These good for nothing bastards have "Chalta Hai" attitude.

Aaj ka kaam kal aur kal parson kyon fikar Karna jab jeena hai Barson. This line is their life's Moto.

 

[Chinmoy]

As Army evaluates foreign missile systems, govt considers building indigenous variant under Make in India

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/as-army-evaluates-foreign-missile-systems-govt-considers-developing-indigenous-variant-under-make-in-india/1/1091365.html

The government is also thinking of doing away with the plans to build a single-engine fighter aircraft programme in favour of the light combat aircraft Tejas which is still in the evolution stage in terms of technology and capabilities.

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

Congress has never done anything good for the nation.

But, in ignorance, while trying to corner Modi they are doing something good by questioning Rafale Deal.

They are trending #RakshaMantriJawabDo


Let them question every Foreign Defense Deal. It will force GOI and MOD think twice before considering any Foreign Defense Deal, where indigenous alternate is available.

Congress must also question every deal where there is an "Made in India" product is available.

This may prove good for indigenous products and projects.

 

[tejas warrior]

Congress has never done anything good for the nation.

But, in ignorance, while trying to corner Modi they are doing something good by questioning Rafale Deal.

They are trending #RakshaMantriJawabDo


Let them question every Foreign Defense Deal. It will force GOI and MOD think twice before considering any Foreign Defense Deal, where indigenous alternate is available.

Congress must also question every deal where there is an "Made in India" product is available.

This may prove good for indigenous products and projects.

Just to remind you, foreign defense lobby is extremely strong and they can bribe Cong for silence.

 

[Kay]

Congress has never done anything good for the nation.

But, in ignorance, while trying to corner Modi they are doing something good by questioning Rafale Deal.

They are trending #RakshaMantriJawabDo


Let them question every Foreign Defense Deal. It will force GOI and MOD think twice before considering any Foreign Defense Deal, where indigenous alternate is available.

Congress must also question every deal where there is an "Made in India" product is available.

This may prove good for indigenous products and projects.

The Rafale deal took Parrikar by surprise and he had to make a U turn to defend the decision. It may unfortunately be one of the decisions for which he decided to leave the job.

In democracy, elections are fought on money and politicians are investment. The deal on it's own is a good deal, and no politician seems to have received kickbacks. It was a form of repayment in kind for corporate for financial backing in elections. This is a problem with modern democracy where money is needed to win elections and not unique to India.

The solution seems to be limiting money in elections so that candidates get to run Bernie Sanders like campaigns based on grassroots collection. This needs a political revolution.

Regarding the Rafale deal, good that opposition is doing it's job (inspire of being a pretty useless party) and hopefully it delays further foreign fighter acquisition.

 

[Kay]

Just to remind you, foreign defense lobby is extremely strong and they can bribe Cong for silence.

Exactly. Right now it sounds like Congress is saying "I want a piece of it".

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

The Rafale deal took Parrikar by surprise and he had to make a U turn to defend the decision. It may unfortunately be one of the decisions for which he decided to leave the job.

In democracy, elections are fought on money and politicians are investment. The deal on it's own is a good deal, and no politician seems to have received kickbacks. It was a form of repayment in kind for corporate for financial backing in elections. This is a problem with modern democracy where money is needed to win elections and not unique to India.

The solution seems to be limiting money in elections so that candidates get to run Bernie Sanders like campaigns based on grassroots collection. This needs a political revolution.

Regarding the Rafale deal, good that opposition is doing it's job (inspire of being a pretty useless party) and hopefully it delays further foreign fighter acquisition.

Sir, you are right.

But in the case of Rafale, do you think Kangla Bhai (Bankrupt) Anil Dhiru Bhai Ambani, who tied up with Desault to manufacture Rafale in India have deep pockets to fund BJP???

It was Modi who put his foot down, in Rafale deal, because the cost was shooting the roof. It was badly conceived deal, with hidden costs.