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Impressed with swing role capability of Rafale fighter jet: Air Chief BS?Dhanoa
Published July 20, 2017 SOURCE: PTI


A day after he flew a Rafale fighter jet in France, chief of air staff BS Dhanoa on Wednesday said he was impressed with the superior swing role capability of the aircraft and its integrated weapon sensor. Dhanoa, currently on a visit to France, flew a Rafale jet at the Saint-Dizier airbase on Tuesday to gain a first-hand experience of the aircraft.Indian Air Force is procuring the Rafale multi-role fighter jets from French aviation major Dassault under a Euro 7.87 billion (approx Rs 59,000 crore) deal signed last September. “I flew a Rafale in a two versus two mission involving two Rafales against two Mirage 2000D opponents. I am impressed with the superior swing role capability of the Rafale and it’s highly integrated weapon sensor and survivability suite,” Dhanoa said. The Air Chief also interacted with top executives of Dassault who briefed him about progress in the project to supply the jets to IAF. Dhanoa is on a visit to France from July 17-20 to ramp up cooperation between the air forces of the two countries in a range of areas. The fighter jets are capable of carrying nuclear weapons and will be equipped with the latest missiles that will give the IAF greater “potency” over arch-rival Pakistan. The Rafale combat aircraft will come with various India- specific modifications including Israeli helmet mounted displays, radar warning receivers and low band jammers, among others. The Inter-Governmental Agreement for the supply of the jets was signed last September, 16 months after Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced India’s plans to buy 36 Rafale aircraft in fly-away condition. According to the deal, the delivery of the jets will start in 36 months and will be completed in 67 months from the date the contract is inked.

http://idrw.org/impressed-with-swing-role-capability-of-rafale-fighter-jet-air-chief-bsdhanoa/ .
 

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Impressed with swing role capability of Rafale fighter jet: Air Chief BS?Dhanoa
Published July 20, 2017 SOURCE: PTI


A day after he flew a Rafale fighter jet in France, chief of air staff BS Dhanoa on Wednesday said he was impressed with the superior swing role capability of the aircraft and its integrated weapon sensor. Dhanoa, currently on a visit to France, flew a Rafale jet at the Saint-Dizier airbase on Tuesday to gain a first-hand experience of the aircraft.Indian Air Force is procuring the Rafale multi-role fighter jets from French aviation major Dassault under a Euro 7.87 billion (approx Rs 59,000 crore) deal signed last September. “I flew a Rafale in a two versus two mission involving two Rafales against two Mirage 2000D opponents. I am impressed with the superior swing role capability of the Rafale and it’s highly integrated weapon sensor and survivability suite,” Dhanoa said. The Air Chief also interacted with top executives of Dassault who briefed him about progress in the project to supply the jets to IAF. Dhanoa is on a visit to France from July 17-20 to ramp up cooperation between the air forces of the two countries in a range of areas. The fighter jets are capable of carrying nuclear weapons and will be equipped with the latest missiles that will give the IAF greater “potency” over arch-rival Pakistan. The Rafale combat aircraft will come with various India- specific modifications including Israeli helmet mounted displays, radar warning receivers and low band jammers, among others. The Inter-Governmental Agreement for the supply of the jets was signed last September, 16 months after Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced India’s plans to buy 36 Rafale aircraft in fly-away condition. According to the deal, the delivery of the jets will start in 36 months and will be completed in 67 months from the date the contract is inked.

http://idrw.org/impressed-with-swing-role-capability-of-rafale-fighter-jet-air-chief-bsdhanoa/ .
Do you know what kind of nuclear weapon is to be integrated on Rafale? free fall bomb? other?
 

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Rafale and SU30MKI combo will be lethal but let's not underestimate an enemy like China because they recently acquired the much fear su35 and they have also their own J20 whose capabilites no one knows. Therefore India needs to upgrade SU30MKI to super su30 asap.
 

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WELL IT'S START MAKING NEWS..............................

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IAF to Get Another 36 Rafale Combat Aircraft
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SOURCE: UNI



The Government is likely to approve at least another 36 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCAs) very soon. Details are not known, but informed sources told India Strategic that although a decision was just about due, the possibility of more aircraft was also being considered in view of the Indian Navy’s requirement of 56 twin-engine shipboard fighters as also the Government’s Make in India programme.

If only 36 Rafales are taken, then it would not be economical to set up their manufacturing infrastructure. IAF is looking for a mix of about 400 single and twin engine fighters as most of its combat jet inventory is of the 1980s Soviet generation. The Mirage 2000, which was acquired from France after the US gave Pakistan F 16s in 1982, also arrived in IAF squadrons from 1985 onwards.

The nuclear-capable Mirage though is still formidable and some half a dozen of the nearly 60 have already been upgraded to contemporary standards by Thales, the French company known for making deadly Electronic Warfare (EW) systems. Thales is providing the highly sophisticated EW systems for the Rafales also. The Indian Navy has expressed specific preference for either the Boeing F/A 18 Super Hornet or Rafale.

Both these fighters were designed ab initio for aircraft carriers, and both are on offer for their industrial production in India if the numbers are viable for foreign investment and Transfer of Technology (ToT). Boeing has offered to manufacture the latest variant, Advanced Super Hornet, which is also meant for the US Navy. Significantly, if the deal is only for 36 more aircraft, then the field would be open for a larger number of twin-engine aircraft for both the IAF and Navy.

If the coming deal is for indigenous production fr more than 36, then Rafale would become the final choice. Notably, defence deals are mostly done with strategic advantages in view, besides costs. For instance, in the 1980s, the Government asked Air India to switch its choice from Boeing to Airbus A 320 aircraft as, according to French sources, France gave India some defence technology as a leverage.

It may be recalled that India had opted for the French Rafale in 2015 during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Paris, and an agreement was sealed in New Delhi between the Defence Ministers of the two countries, Mr Manohar Parikkar and his visiting counterpart, Mr Jean Yves Le Drian, in September 2016. The first payment of 15 per cent was immediately made by India to seal the contract. This deal, which included the cost of the aircraft, IAF-specific modifications, Weapons and Missiles, Operations and Maintenance infrastructure at two places in India’s East and West, and 50 per cent Offsets as investment in India, was pegged at about Euro 7.87 billion (or US$ 8.8 billion).

In the acquisition of another 36 aircraft, or two squadrons of 18 each, the costs should be lower by about Euro 2.5 billion plus or minus – please note this is my guesstimate only – as the expenses for India-specific modifications and infrastructure at two places have already been recovered. Notably, preliminary work in this regard at Ambala in Haryana and Kalaikuna in West Bengal has begun. It is not known if in the coming deal there would be an options clause for more aircraft at the same price in the near future.

It was not there in the first purchase, which was acquisition of the 36 aircraft in flyaway condition. Both these deals are G-to-G or Government to Government, to avoid any unnecessary allegations, which have invariably been a curse for the armed forces in their modernization process. The Offsets clause would translate into construction of a modern defence industrial base as well as some ToT by the Rafale partners, that is, Dassault which builds and integrates the aircraft, Safran which provides the engines and some other onboard systems, Thales which provides the highly advanced EW systems and MBDA, which is supplying the most modern Meteor Air to Air and other missiles. As an international arms industry standard, delivery of defence systems is 36 months after the first payment.
 

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IAF to Get Another 36 Rafale Combat Aircraft
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SOURCE: UNI



The Government is likely to approve at least another 36 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCAs) very soon. Details are not known, but informed sources told India Strategic that although a decision was just about due, the possibility of more aircraft was also being considered in view of the Indian Navy’s requirement of 56 twin-engine shipboard fighters as also the Government’s Make in India programme.

If only 36 Rafales are taken, then it would not be economical to set up their manufacturing infrastructure. IAF is looking for a mix of about 400 single and twin engine fighters as most of its combat jet inventory is of the 1980s Soviet generation. The Mirage 2000, which was acquired from France after the US gave Pakistan F 16s in 1982, also arrived in IAF squadrons from 1985 onwards.

The nuclear-capable Mirage though is still formidable and some half a dozen of the nearly 60 have already been upgraded to contemporary standards by Thales, the French company known for making deadly Electronic Warfare (EW) systems. Thales is providing the highly sophisticated EW systems for the Rafales also. The Indian Navy has expressed specific preference for either the Boeing F/A 18 Super Hornet or Rafale.

Both these fighters were designed ab initio for aircraft carriers, and both are on offer for their industrial production in India if the numbers are viable for foreign investment and Transfer of Technology (ToT). Boeing has offered to manufacture the latest variant, Advanced Super Hornet, which is also meant for the US Navy. Significantly, if the deal is only for 36 more aircraft, then the field would be open for a larger number of twin-engine aircraft for both the IAF and Navy.

If the coming deal is for indigenous production fr more than 36, then Rafale would become the final choice. Notably, defence deals are mostly done with strategic advantages in view, besides costs. For instance, in the 1980s, the Government asked Air India to switch its choice from Boeing to Airbus A 320 aircraft as, according to French sources, France gave India some defence technology as a leverage.

It may be recalled that India had opted for the French Rafale in 2015 during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Paris, and an agreement was sealed in New Delhi between the Defence Ministers of the two countries, Mr Manohar Parikkar and his visiting counterpart, Mr Jean Yves Le Drian, in September 2016. The first payment of 15 per cent was immediately made by India to seal the contract. This deal, which included the cost of the aircraft, IAF-specific modifications, Weapons and Missiles, Operations and Maintenance infrastructure at two places in India’s East and West, and 50 per cent Offsets as investment in India, was pegged at about Euro 7.87 billion (or US$ 8.8 billion).

In the acquisition of another 36 aircraft, or two squadrons of 18 each, the costs should be lower by about Euro 2.5 billion plus or minus – please note this is my guesstimate only – as the expenses for India-specific modifications and infrastructure at two places have already been recovered. Notably, preliminary work in this regard at Ambala in Haryana and Kalaikuna in West Bengal has begun. It is not known if in the coming deal there would be an options clause for more aircraft at the same price in the near future.

It was not there in the first purchase, which was acquisition of the 36 aircraft in flyaway condition. Both these deals are G-to-G or Government to Government, to avoid any unnecessary allegations, which have invariably been a curse for the armed forces in their modernization process. The Offsets clause would translate into construction of a modern defence industrial base as well as some ToT by the Rafale partners, that is, Dassault which builds and integrates the aircraft, Safran which provides the engines and some other onboard systems, Thales which provides the highly advanced EW systems and MBDA, which is supplying the most modern Meteor Air to Air and other missiles. As an international arms industry standard, delivery of defence systems is 36 months after the first payment.
Not before 2019.
The total orders for RAFALEs (including IAF & IN) will cross 100.

IN : 57
IAF 36 (already ordered) + 18 (already mentioned in Contract as an option)
Total: 111 units
 

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Not before 2019.
The total orders for RAFALEs (including IAF & IN) will cross 100.

IN : 57
IAF 36 (already ordered) + 18 (already mentioned in Contract as an option)
Total: 111 units
Maybe simultaneously from Merignac France and Nagpur India...................
 

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:clap2: Good development. We NEED more Rafales.

However I don't understand MoD's logic of buying in trenches. :confused1: Wouldn't MII Rafale would have been a better deal for us? This also keeps the door open for MII SE. Maybe F-16?

So in a decade IAF will have

72 - 108 Rafale

123 - Tejas

90 - 120 MII SE

Total = 285 - 351
 

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I think France has completed air worthyness of Kaveri 81kN already. Hence 36 more jets as payment. Now, more orders will come if France finds a way to replicate F404 in Kaveri to give 90kN thrust.
 

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I think France has completed air worthyness of Kaveri 81kN already. Hence 36 more jets as payment. Now, more orders will come if France finds a way to replicate F404 in Kaveri to give 90kN thrust.
81Kn Kaveri was already airworthy.

And there is a good new for you and other guys on this forum.
Further orders of RAFALEs will have M88-4E engines with Kaveri inputs.
More details will be shared soon
 

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Also,
MoD is planning to order about 40-60 RAFALEs in one go.

indo-french JV DRAL is promised to churn out these birds from 2022. So it is possible that 18 out of the order will be follow on and other are to be manufactured by DRAL within India.

Deal is still in discussion, stay tuned.....
 

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My dream is coming true :)
IAF fleet timeline.png

:drool:
Now for the other part of my dream, I hope that single-engine fighter tender goes to the gallows soon, and more Tejas are ordered later on.
 

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