Know Your 'Rafale'

[sjmaverick]

You aailed to developp Kaveri. We offer you to help you to closed properly this program under the Rafale Offset clause. It's clear and easy to understand.

I hope you never expect Safran will give you part of a know how just five company in the world are mastering for FREE ???? We are near Christmas, but it's not the case to expect a miracle.

I don't understand why you feel that settlement of 50% offset clause is up to whims and fancy of France (Any country obliged to settle offset clause) to choose without MOD wish list of possible areas where a offset can be executed. Kaveri is high on that list, Missile seekers might be there as well for sure but its an obligation sealed within commercial contract and not help...needless to mention here that france could have always walked away from negotiating table just like India could have. Bottomline is if the offset is executed in right intent and in timely fation than its a win win for both parties.

Going by your understanding seems all major defence OEM are more than curious to "HELP" India just look at the offers placed by LM,Boeing,SAAB,MIG, the list is long they all want business and profit and not dieing to help India.

 

[sjmaverick]

France has 150 Rafale on line. We are in peace, expect against ISIS (a threat that doesn't need 75% of 150 rafale to deal with). Add 80 Mirage 2000.
We don't need a 75% service on our all fleet !
It's just a question of how many money you are ready to put in the support.
In france it's the same problem with NH90, Tiger helo, Leclerc MBT....
Be sure if we were in a hard crisis vs russia for exemple, money for support will be found, and ALL the serviciability of ALL our weapons will be far higher.

But what's wrong with you about french rafale serviceability ? What counts is the promise made of 75% for the Indian Rafale. And that explain a part of the total amount of the Rafale contract..... (with bases accomodation and new equipments and weapons to be integrated)

My assertion was from the background that serviceability rate has to do more with Hardware/Software reliability, Ease of maintenance of equipment and availability of Spare parts than with funds. If a country has peaceful environment than it would rather keep its fleets of jets lower to suit it needs rather than keeping a large numbers of aircraft and allow them to be not available for service.

 

[BON PLAN]

serviceability rate has to do more with Hardware/Software reliability, Ease of maintenance of equipment and availability of Spare parts than with funds

To have spare parts, you need funds. Is as simple as that.
MCO ("Maintient en Condition Opérationnelle" in french = sustainability) lacks of funds for yearsssss in France (and in GB, Deutchland...).
When you are in peace, with a budget, your army prefer to have more equipments and less spares than the contrary, because in case of war, the equipments (MBT, fighters, vessels...) are there and it easily to have spares than to built from the beginning the complete equipments.

 

[Bahamut]

@BON PLAN Does Rfale have a complete Digital Fly by wire or not ?

 

[BON PLAN]

@BON PLAN Does Rfale have a complete Digital Fly by wire or not ?

Indeed ! Rafale if a full instable plane.
The FBW are fully digital (4 ways if I remember well).
with a redundancy in a analogic way

 

[BON PLAN]

some news. On the IAF and navy aspects.

http://www.sldinfo.com/the-moderniz...lti-role-combat-aircraft-competition-reopens/

 

[airtel]

some news. On the IAF and navy aspects.

http://www.sldinfo.com/the-moderniz...lti-role-combat-aircraft-competition-reopens/

India wants a modern production line ..............

France will transfer it's production line for this order ?? (yes / no )


by the way the source is not reliable .

 

[BON PLAN]

India wants a modern production line ..............

France will transfer it's production line for this order ?? (yes / no )


by the way the source is not reliable .

It is not question to transfer our production line because we have a ot of plane to built for ourself ad export orders

But I know that Rafale International GIE is to give to India a proposal for a dedicated line to produce a minimum of 90 plane in MII. The line can be a copy/paste of the existing one of Mérignac.

 

[Alok Arya]

BON PLAN can you tell few thing about RBE 2 AA fire control aesa radar such as 1. Is it GaA or GaN , 2. Range , 3. Number of transmitter receiver module , please

 

[StealthFlanker]

BON PLAN can you tell few thing about RBE 2 AA fire control aesa radar such as 1. Is it GaA or GaN , 2. Range , 3. Number of transmitter receiver module , please

Iam not BonfAN but :

From available photos, RBE-2 got around 838 T/R modules. These are GaAs at the moment. Whether there is near future plan to change them to GaN or not , i have no idea. Range should be slightly better than Zhuk-AE , and slightly worse than APG-80, if T/R modules are of similar quality

 

[Alok Arya]

Iam not BonfAN but :

From available photos, RBE-2 got around 838 T/R modules. These are GaAs at the moment. Whether there is near future plan to change them to GaN or not , i have no idea. Range should be slightly better than Zhuk-AE , and slightly worse than APG-80, if T/R modules are of similar quality

Thanks . Is Uttam aesa has 1456 T/R module .

 

[StealthFlanker]

Thanks . Is Uttam aesa has 1456 T/R module .

Unlikely, 1456 T/R modules are a lot. You will need aperture near CAPTOR-E or APG-81 size which won't fit to LCA nose . According to various internet estimates, Uttam should have around 700-750 T/R modules

 

[Alok Arya]

Unlikely, 1456 T/R modules are a lot. You will need aperture near CAPTOR-E or APG-81 size which won't fit to LCA nose . According to various internet estimates, Uttam should have around 700-750 T/R modules

Ok . But is not Tejas nose is bigger than rafale ? One more question ---- what are the no of T/R module in elta 2052 .

 

[Filtercoffee]

El/M - 2052 has little more then 1500 T/R modules.

 

[StealthFlanker]

Ok . But is not Tejas nose is bigger than rafale ?

Could be , but unlikely by alot

One more question ---- what are the no of T/R module in elta 2052 .

EL/M-2052 is a scalable radar, so number of T/R modules will depend on the size of aperture that you want

 

[BON PLAN]

BON PLAN can you tell few thing about RBE 2 AA fire control aesa radar such as 1. Is it GaA or GaN , 2. Range , 3. Number of transmitter receiver module , please

RBE2AESA is said to have "more than 1000 modules". The photo shown by Stealth Flanker is a old photo. Probably taken from the AESA demonstrator. No recent photo is available... So the reality is ???

Actually it is made of GaAs modules. The GaN was studied, under the program CARAA. At the beginning of 2016, CARAA was already in flight tests.
Another R1D program will follow : MELBAA, that will use the CARAA to improve specially Air to Ground capacity.

So GaN RBE2AESA is for the next few years. Maybe F3R ? or the next block...

 

[smestarz]

Try to come with an accurate answer and not a vague one.
The photo that Stealth flanker has provided, is the very one in Thales brochure.
https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/aesa_rbe2_5_juin_val_def_bat_ok.pdf
So should be BELOW 1000 to be precise and hence
And here is confirmation of that from Rafale blogspot which is Rafale fanboys page
http://rafalenews.blogspot.in/2011/02/thales-aesa-rbe-2-modules-pattern.html

the number of modules of the presented antenna is exacly 838, which is almost 20% less than the usually advertised "1000 modules" for this radar.
However it is not known if the picture shows the actual radar. It could be an earlier prototype or a dummy. One thing is sure, though: it is exactly the same antenna (same pattern) as the one shown in the previous pictures of the RBE-2 AA.

It is funny, if you see, this blog does count 838 and does confirm that it seems to be less than "1000 modules" as advertised by Thales/Dassault,. where as you twist it and suggest its "more than 1000 modules"
Wow definitely overrated plane and over rated avionics. Already have a feeling that IAF will regret buying the 2 squadrons finding them falling well short of the expectations.

RBE2AESA is said to have "more than 1000 modules". The photo shown by Stealth Flanker is a old photo. Probably taken from the AESA demonstrator. No recent photo is available... So the reality is ???

Actually it is made of GaAs modules. The GaN was studied, under the program CARAA. At the beginning of 2016, CARAA was already in flight tests.
Another R1D program will follow : MELBAA, that will use the CARAA to improve specially Air to Ground capacity.

So GaN RBE2AESA is for the next few years. Maybe F3R ? or the next block...

 

[BON PLAN]

Try to come with an accurate answer and not a vague one.
The photo that Stealth flanker has provided, is the very one in Thales brochure.
https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/aesa_rbe2_5_juin_val_def_bat_ok.pdf
So should be BELOW 1000 to be precise and hence
And here is confirmation of that from Rafale blogspot which is Rafale fanboys page
http://rafalenews.blogspot.in/2011/02/thales-aesa-rbe-2-modules-pattern.html

the number of modules of the presented antenna is exacly 838, which is almost 20% less than the usually advertised "1000 modules" for this radar.
However it is not known if the picture shows the actual radar. It could be an earlier prototype or a dummy. One thing is sure, though: it is exactly the same antenna (same pattern) as the one shown in the previous pictures of the RBE-2 AA.

It is funny, if you see, this blog does count 838 and does confirm that it seems to be less than "1000 modules" as advertised by Thales/Dassault,. where as you twist it and suggest its "more than 1000 modules"
Wow definitely overrated plane and over rated avionics. Already have a feeling that IAF will regret buying the 2 squadrons finding them falling well short of the expectations.

1) The "Rafale fan boy" write : "However it is not known if the picture shows the actual radar. It could be an earlier prototype or a dummy.". ALL IS SAID my dear Smestrarz. No one here, even you, marvelous Smestarz, knows the truth.

2) Your source is dated february 2011 !!! (nearly 5 years ago...) first operationnal AESA was induced in 2013.... so 2011 picture is at best a prototyp.

Today RBE2AESA shows very good performance in all trials, and in all exercices against EF, F15, SU..... The range against a fighter excess all necessary to fire a Meteor. This is the reality.

 

[BON PLAN]

Try to come with an accurate answer and not a vague one.
The photo that Stealth flanker has provided, is the very one in Thales brochure.
https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/aesa_rbe2_5_juin_val_def_bat_ok.pdf
So should be BELOW 1000 to be precise and hence
And here is confirmation of that from Rafale blogspot which is Rafale fanboys page
http://rafalenews.blogspot.in/2011/02/thales-aesa-rbe-2-modules-pattern.html

the number of modules of the presented antenna is exacly 838, which is almost 20% less than the usually advertised "1000 modules" for this radar.
However it is not known if the picture shows the actual radar. It could be an earlier prototype or a dummy. One thing is sure, though: it is exactly the same antenna (same pattern) as the one shown in the previous pictures of the RBE-2 AA.

It is funny, if you see, this blog does count 838 and does confirm that it seems to be less than "1000 modules" as advertised by Thales/Dassault,. where as you twist it and suggest its "more than 1000 modules"
Wow definitely overrated plane and over rated avionics. Already have a feeling that IAF will regret buying the 2 squadrons finding them falling well short of the expectations.

Over rated Rafale ? Enough to have caught so far three export customers....

Despite your previous incantations that India will never take the plane, they took it !

So you feel the things badly, In addition to being misinformed.

And I'm sure at least two others batch of 36 will be taken by india. Let's see.... I've already win the first round (first order from India).

 

[StealthFlanker]

RBE2AESA is said to have "more than 1000 modules". The photo shown by Stealth Flanker is a old photo. Probably taken from the AESA demonstrator. No recent photo is available... So the reality is ???

RBE-2 photos is not any older than APG-81 T/R modules count photo. They surfaced around the same time . We also got the blurry low resolution picture of APG-81. That does not mean they deliberately making a different dummy prototype to with different modules count or either radar will have more T/R modules in reality (unless they got bigger nose )

The GaN was studied, under the program CARAA. At the beginning of 2016, CARAA was already in flight tests.
Another R1D program will follow : MELBAA, that will use the CARAA to improve specially Air to Ground capacity.

As far as i can remember , CARAA is a program to improve software of RBE-2 to better deal with ground target. No mentioned of GaN any where , do you have any source for your claim ?