Know Your 'Rafale'

[WolfPack86]

Rafale equipment provider asked to set up manufacturing facility in Goa: Parrikar
France-based Safran group, which provides supplies to Rafale fighter jet manufacturers, has been asked to set up a facility which manufactures a small component of the company's import requirement from Goa, Defence MinisterManohar Parrikar said on Sunday.

Speaking during the inauguration of a helicopter maintenance and repair centre in Sattari, in North Goa, Parrikar said that he hoped to see the manufacturing facility develop from a copter repair and maintenance operation to a helicopter engine manufacturing facility.


"Flacma, a part of the Safran group, supplies 20-25 per cent components to Rafale. So I told them to come with a small component of their requirement of importing from India into Goa," Parrikar said.

The Defence Minister also said that out of the total value of Rs. 59,000 crore Rafale fighter jet deal, nearly Rs. 30,000 crore have been dealt with the procurement of equipment for the manufacture of the jets.

Parrikar said that the helicopter maintenance and repair facility in Goa was "vital" as far as the military facilities in Western India are concerned.

"In Western region, engines could be directly sent here so that they do not have to struggle at the base depot. This is first phase," the Defence Minister said.

"From there it will slowly expand to making some parts and components and we wish that we can go for engine manufacturing," he added.

"If HAL is to maintain engines, then they should tie-up Safran and come out with Make in India for manufacturing of engines. We are going to require between 6,000 to 10,000 engines in next eight to ten years, which is a big enough quantity and most of them are Safran engines," he said, adding that the Goa government was willing to provide land to facilitate the project.
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...-facility-in-goa-parrikar-116102300391_1.html

 

[BON PLAN]

Rafale equipment provider asked to set up manufacturing facility in Goa: Parrikar
France-based Safran group, which provides supplies to Rafale fighter jet manufacturers, has been asked to set up a facility which manufactures a small component of the company's import requirement from Goa, Defence MinisterManohar Parrikar said on Sunday.

Speaking during the inauguration of a helicopter maintenance and repair centre in Sattari, in North Goa, Parrikar said that he hoped to see the manufacturing facility develop from a copter repair and maintenance operation to a helicopter engine manufacturing facility.


"Flacma, a part of the Safran group, supplies 20-25 per cent components to Rafale. So I told them to come with a small component of their requirement of importing from India into Goa," Parrikar said.

The Defence Minister also said that out of the total value of Rs. 59,000 crore Rafale fighter jet deal, nearly Rs. 30,000 crore have been dealt with the procurement of equipment for the manufacture of the jets.

Parrikar said that the helicopter maintenance and repair facility in Goa was "vital" as far as the military facilities in Western India are concerned.

"In Western region, engines could be directly sent here so that they do not have to struggle at the base depot. This is first phase," the Defence Minister said.

"From there it will slowly expand to making some parts and components and we wish that we can go for engine manufacturing," he added.

"If HAL is to maintain engines, then they should tie-up Safran and come out with Make in India for manufacturing of engines. We are going to require between 6,000 to 10,000 engines in next eight to ten years, which is a big enough quantity and most of them are Safran engines," he said, adding that the Goa government was willing to provide land to facilitate the project.
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...-facility-in-goa-parrikar-116102300391_1.html

The early beginnings of MII ??? I hope so.

 

[smestarz]

Rafale equipment provider asked to set up manufacturing facility in Goa: Parrikar
France-based Safran group, which provides supplies to Rafale fighter jet manufacturers, has been asked to set up a facility which manufactures a small component of the company's import requirement from Goa, Defence MinisterManohar Parrikar said on Sunday.

Speaking during the inauguration of a helicopter maintenance and repair centre in Sattari, in North Goa, Parrikar said that he hoped to see the manufacturing facility develop from a copter repair and maintenance operation to a helicopter engine manufacturing facility.


"Flacma, a part of the Safran group, supplies 20-25 per cent components to Rafale. So I told them to come with a small component of their requirement of importing from India into Goa," Parrikar said.

The Defence Minister also said that out of the total value of Rs. 59,000 crore Rafale fighter jet deal, nearly Rs. 30,000 crore have been dealt with the procurement of equipment for the manufacture of the jets.

Parrikar said that the helicopter maintenance and repair facility in Goa was "vital" as far as the military facilities in Western India are concerned.

"In Western region, engines could be directly sent here so that they do not have to struggle at the base depot. This is first phase," the Defence Minister said.

"From there it will slowly expand to making some parts and components and we wish that we can go for engine manufacturing," he added.

"If HAL is to maintain engines, then they should tie-up Safran and come out with Make in India for manufacturing of engines. We are going to require between 6,000 to 10,000 engines in next eight to ten years, which is a big enough quantity and most of them are Safran engines," he said, adding that the Goa government was willing to provide land to facilitate the project.
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...-facility-in-goa-parrikar-116102300391_1.html

The early beginnings of MII ??? I hope so.

 

[WolfPack86]

Nagpur SEZ to host Rafale offset manufacturing
An integrated facility will be commissioned by the Reliance Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Group and its French partner Dassault in Nagpur in the next few months for the execution of offset contracts of the just-concluded deal for 36 French fighters. A significant part of the whopping Rs. 30,000 crore offsets would be executed through the joint venture, Dassault Reliance Aerospace.

According to industry sources, the new facility will come up in the Reliance Special Economic Zone (SEZ) in Nagpur, and it would be fully operational within the next 12 months.

Four French companies which have a major stake in the Rafale deal — Dassault Aviation, Thales, Safran and MBDA — will execute offsets worth about Rs. 30,000 crore as per their share. The Dassault-Reliance JV will only execute a part of the offsets because some of the investments have to be done in DRDO for technology development.

Last month India and France concluded a €7.87-billion deal for 36 Rafale multi-role fighter jets in a fly-away condition but it has a 50 percent offset clause under which that contract value has be invested and sourced from India.

Contract share
The first three companies individually have about 25-30 percent share in the aircraft which will also be the case in executing the offsets. Another 10 percent is held by several other French companies based on their contribution. MBDA is the weapons manufacturer which is also part of the contract.

According to sources the entire offset amount will not go into the private sector. As per the agreement about 30 percent of the Rs. 30,000 crore i.e. about Rs. 9,000 crore has to be invested in Reseach & Development (R&D) along with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) for technology development.

In response to a query from The Hindu, Thales said that offsets would be delivered through various avenues including the Dassault-Reliance JV.

The JV was needed as Dassault India, a service-oriented company, cannot take up manufacturing which will be done by the JV. “There will be several Independent Offset Partners (IOPs) through the JV,” industry sources said.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/Nagpur-SEZ-to-host-Rafale-offset-manufacturing-18916

 

[syncro]

Seems also that Malaysia go for the euro (bribes) canards... no more Mig-29 or Su-30... out F/A-18 and Gripen... Rafale and Eurofighter the only competitors in the incoming Malaysian MRCA competition.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/17...rs_In_Malaysian_MRCA_Competition#.WBMhyPVOKHu

 

[Drsomnath999]

Rafale & S-400 as force multipliers

In this backdrop, the signing of the Rafale deal and the inter-governmental agreement on the S-400 missile system are crucial developments, as both systems can act as huge force multipliers in their own way for the IAF.

The Rafale jet is an excellent 4.5 generation fighter jet that comes equipped with potent armaments in the form of Storm Shadow stand-off ALCM and Meteor long-range BVRAAM. However, it is the low observable airframe equipped with an AESA radar and a SPECTRA jammer that makes it a potent force multiplier when the IAF’s inventory of aircraft is equipped with an ODL. Rafale would be able to leverage its low observable and long-range detection capabilities to detect enemy aircraft earlier, and share tactical combat information with other aircraft (such as Tejas, Mirage 2000 and MiG-29) equipped with an ODL. With its ability to act as a mini-AWACS or fighter director in a network-centric environment, the Rafale aircraft can be a significant force multiplier for the IAF.

Projected coverage bubble with a deployment of five units of S-400 (Image Credit: @Aryanwarlord)


The Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C aircraft act as a buffer or balancer for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) against the air superiority enjoyed by the IAF. With a targeting range exceeding 400km for the AEW&C operated by the PAF, the S-400 system makes it near-impossible for the PAF to operate their AWACS system while the IAF would be able to freely deploy its AWACS due to PAF lacking equivalent systems that can endanger the AWACS flying inside Indian territory. Any PAF fighter deployment will also have to contend with the threat of being targeted by the S-400 missile system. By virtually plugging the western border and severely limiting the deployment of PAF AWACS, the S-400 acts as a huge force multiplier.

Conclusion
The multi-pronged force multiplier impact provided by the Rafale and S-400 missile systems is a much-needed shot in the arm for the IAF. Even with lower squadron numbers, the IAF would be able to establish air superiority over the western border with the upgraded Mirage 2000 and MiG-29 fighters supported by a small compliment of Rafales and/or Su-30MKI. This essentially allows the IAF to deploy a major portion of its best fighter assets (Rafale & Su-30MKI) to defend the northern border in the eventuality of a two-front conflict.

While the low and falling squadron strength of the IAF is a big concern, the Rafale and S-400 acquisitions can act as a bulwark against the inevitable low squadron strength in the near future. After a decade of decadence, the Modi-Parrikar duo deserve accolades for their decisive action in untangling the Rafale fighter jet deal, and for the very quick progress on the S-400 deal.
http://swarajyamag.com/defence/unde...jet-and-s-400-missile-system-deals-on-the-iaf

 

[WolfPack86]

Rafale deal: French team likely to visit India next month
The development comes nearly four months after Prime Minister Narendra Modi and French President Francois Hollande signed a memorandum of agreement to purchase 36 Rafale combat jets.

The deal comes with the clause of 50 per cent offsets, which will be a bonanza for the domestic industry as it will lead to business worth at least 3 billion Euros and creating new jobs in India.(Representational image)

A high-level team from France is expected to arrive in New Delhi next month to firm up the order for the purchase of 36 Rafale fighter aircraft by India as both countries have managed to narrow down their differences over pricing.

The development comes nearly four months after Prime Minister Narendra Modiand French President Francois Hollande signed a memorandum of agreement to purchase 36 Rafale combat jets.

The Indian side has been negotiating hard to bring down the price with Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar refusing to buckle under pressure even as questions were being raised about the delay in signing the contract.
Read | Negotiations over purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets enter ‘final stage’

The deal comes with the clause of 50 per cent offsets, which will be a bonanza for the domestic industry as it will lead to business worth at least 3 billion Euros and creating new jobs in India.

The tough part of the negotiations that began in July 2015 was to get the French side to agree to 50 per cent offsets in the deal.

Initially, Dassault Aviation, makers of Rafale, was willing to agree to reinvest only 30 per cent of the value of its contract in Indian entities to meet the offset obligations.
The French side finally agreed to invest 50 per cent of the value following a phone conversation between Modi and Hollande late last year.

The commercial negotiations, as in the pricing of the planes, equipment and other issues, actually began only in mid-January this year.

“It is correct to say that differences over pricing as more or less being settled. A final deal should take place next month if all matters go as scheduled,” a defence source said.

Government sources said the deal has not been concluded yet but it is in “final stages”.

The sources said the price for 36 Rafales, as per the UPA tender, keeping the cost escalation and dollar rate in mind, comes to a little over Rs 65,000 crore.

This includes the cost involved in making changes India as sought in the aircraft, including Israeli helmet mounted display and some specific weaponry, among others.

“The effort is to bring down the price to less than Euros 8 billion (Rs 59,000 crore),” the sources said.

The expectation is that the final deal will be clinched by May-end.

Under the proposed deal, French companies apart from Dassault Aviation, will provide several aeronautics, electronics and micro-electronics technologies to comply with the offset obligation.

Companies like Safran and Thales will join Dassault in providing state-of-art technologies in stealth, radar, thrust vectoring for missiles and materials for electronics and micro-electronics.
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...french-team-likely-to-visit-india-next-month/

 

[Drsomnath999]

Deliveries of 36 Rafale Fighter Jets To Commence From September 2019
November 19, 2016 Posted by Team DefenceAviationPost
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Following the signing of an Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) along with Aircraft & Weapons Package Supply Protocols and Technical Arrangement with the French Government on 23rd September, 2016 for procurement of 36 Rafale aircraft in fly-away condition, the deliveries of the fighter jets will commence from September, 2019, Dr Subhash Bhamre informed the Lok Sabha on November 18, 2016.

The Rs 58,000 crore deal executed by India to purchase 36 Rafale fighter jets from France is undoubtedly one the most well negotiated pacts and one that will bring along huge gains for the domestic aviation industry besides creating job openings for the people of India.

This deal is the first since the purchase of Sukhois from Russia in the late 90s and is considered a win-win for India, the most significant feature of this contract being the enhancements for India which even French aircrafts do not have.

In an exclusive chat with DefenceAviationPost.com soon after the signing of the deal, Union Defence Minister, Manohar Parrikar said, “In any foreign deal, there are 3-4 things that have to be taken care of. First is the cost, which we have negotiated at a much lesser price than the earlier price being quoted by the French team.”

It is noteworthy to point here that the 7.878 billion Euros deal has been clinched at a price that is 750 million euros less than what was quoted by the French team in January 2016.

“Second is the percentage of offsets which in this case is much higher than any other foreign military sales so far. This creates a huge potential for the domestic aviation industry and is in line with the Prime Minister’s Make in India initiative,” the minister said.

It may be mentioned here that deal comes with a 50% offset clause which means that Indian companies will get businesses worth over 3 billion euros or Rs 22,500 crores.

Parrikar said the most significant feature of this contract are the enhancements for India which even French aircrafts do not have.

Firstly, these fighter jets come along with state-of-the-art missile weaponry profile that increases the strike capabilities of the IAF to a great extent. It includes Meteor Beyond Visual Range (BVR) air-to-air missile with a range in excess 150 kms. Then it also comes along with Scalp (Pointed Offence) which is a long range air to surface cruise missile with a range of over 300 kms.

Further, these fighter jets will be customised in line with the requirements of the IAF and will include Helmet Mounted Displays, radar warning receiver, infrared search and track among others.

“So from all directions it is a win-win deal for India. Rafale is a potent aircraft and will add to the capability of the IAF,” the minister added.

Experts say that Rafale coming fitted with Meteors and Scalp will shake up Pakistan Air Force hugely and PLAAF (air warfare branch of China) to a fair extent.

They added that the enhancements negotiated under the deal for 36 Rafale means that India’s adversaries will need four modern fighter jets to counter one Rafale. Simply put, the enemy will need four Su30 or four F16D (latest acquired by Pakistan) or four JF17 (which again Pakistan has) to counter one Rafale with its existing capabilities.

“This 1:4 ratio will clearly give Indian an edge over its adversaries and the deal for 36 Rafale is equivalent to procuring 144 modern fighter jets,” an official said requesting anonymity.

Timelines is another major aspect of this deal. The deliveries of fighter jets will start in 36 months and completed in 18 months thereon.

Under the contract, the French manufacturer Dassault has to ensure that 75% of the fleet or 27 fighters are operationally available at any given time.
http://defenceaviationpost.com/deliveries-36-rafale-fighter-jets-commence-september-2019/

P.S Pakistan would need 4 JF 17 to counter 1 rafale !! lol it would need an entire squadron

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Deliveries of 36 Rafale Fighter Jets To Commence From September 2019
November 19, 2016 Posted by Team DefenceAviationPost
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Following the signing of an Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) along with Aircraft & Weapons Package Supply Protocols and Technical Arrangement with the French Government on 23rd September, 2016 for procurement of 36 Rafale aircraft in fly-away condition, the deliveries of the fighter jets will commence from September, 2019, Dr Subhash Bhamre informed the Lok Sabha on November 18, 2016.

The Rs 58,000 crore deal executed by India to purchase 36 Rafale fighter jets from France is undoubtedly one the most well negotiated pacts and one that will bring along huge gains for the domestic aviation industry besides creating job openings for the people of India.

This deal is the first since the purchase of Sukhois from Russia in the late 90s and is considered a win-win for India, the most significant feature of this contract being the enhancements for India which even French aircrafts do not have.

In an exclusive chat with DefenceAviationPost.com soon after the signing of the deal, Union Defence Minister, Manohar Parrikar said, “In any foreign deal, there are 3-4 things that have to be taken care of. First is the cost, which we have negotiated at a much lesser price than the earlier price being quoted by the French team.”

It is noteworthy to point here that the 7.878 billion Euros deal has been clinched at a price that is 750 million euros less than what was quoted by the French team in January 2016.

“Second is the percentage of offsets which in this case is much higher than any other foreign military sales so far. This creates a huge potential for the domestic aviation industry and is in line with the Prime Minister’s Make in India initiative,” the minister said.

It may be mentioned here that deal comes with a 50% offset clause which means that Indian companies will get businesses worth over 3 billion euros or Rs 22,500 crores.

Parrikar said the most significant feature of this contract are the enhancements for India which even French aircrafts do not have.

Firstly, these fighter jets come along with state-of-the-art missile weaponry profile that increases the strike capabilities of the IAF to a great extent. It includes Meteor Beyond Visual Range (BVR) air-to-air missile with a range in excess 150 kms. Then it also comes along with Scalp (Pointed Offence) which is a long range air to surface cruise missile with a range of over 300 kms.

Further, these fighter jets will be customised in line with the requirements of the IAF and will include Helmet Mounted Displays, radar warning receiver, infrared search and track among others.

“So from all directions it is a win-win deal for India. Rafale is a potent aircraft and will add to the capability of the IAF,” the minister added.

Experts say that Rafale coming fitted with Meteors and Scalp will shake up Pakistan Air Force hugely and PLAAF (air warfare branch of China) to a fair extent.

They added that the enhancements negotiated under the deal for 36 Rafale means that India’s adversaries will need four modern fighter jets to counter one Rafale. Simply put, the enemy will need four Su30 or four F16D (latest acquired by Pakistan) or four JF17 (which again Pakistan has) to counter one Rafale with its existing capabilities.

“This 1:4 ratio will clearly give Indian an edge over its adversaries and the deal for 36 Rafale is equivalent to procuring 144 modern fighter jets,” an official said requesting anonymity.

Timelines is another major aspect of this deal. The deliveries of fighter jets will start in 36 months and completed in 18 months thereon.

Under the contract, the French manufacturer Dassault has to ensure that 75% of the fleet or 27 fighters are operationally available at any given time.
http://defenceaviationpost.com/deliveries-36-rafale-fighter-jets-commence-september-2019/

P.S Pakistan would need 4 JF 17 to counter 1 rafale !! lol it would need an entire squadron

We should order more Rafales.

Atleast 2 more squadrons.

 

[BON PLAN]

We should order more Rafales.

Atleast 2 more squadrons.

India paid each Rafale nearly 100 euros millions.
A huge amount is for adaptation of 2 bases.... too much for only 36 planes.

So I think at least another batch of 36 will come.

 

[Yodha]

India paid each Rafale nearly 100 euros millions.
A huge amount is for adaptation of 2 bases.... too much for only 36 planes.

So I think at least another batch of 36 will come.

India definitely need advanced twin engine fighters but the factor of cost will play. 36 Rafales are over priced for approx 8$ billion. But considering the base setup, maintenance, offset clause and independent weapons package are considerable.

What do you think will be the price for another 36 Rafales?

The 'Indi'genization is down to the core.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

India paid each Rafale nearly 100 euros millions.
A huge amount is for adaptation of 2 bases.... too much for only 36 planes.

So I think at least another batch of 36 will come.

Or an under the table deal for Aero Engine Technology from Snecma.:biggrin2:
DRDO ties up with Snecma to revive gas turbine engine for Tejas

 

[BON PLAN]

India definitely need advanced twin engine fighters but the factor of cost will play. 36 Rafales are over priced for approx 8$ billion. But considering the base setup, maintenance, offset clause and independent weapons package are considerable.

What do you think will be the price for another 36 Rafales?

The 'Indigenization' is down to the core.

After the cancelation of MMRCA and close links at a political level between French president Hollande and your PM Modi, Holland said india will pay same price thant french air force, ie nearly 95 euros millions IN THE FRENCH DEFINITION.

I don't know at what extent the indian Rafale will have to be modified, but if it's not too far from french def, the price remain in this area.

And don't forget that you baught also at least 5 years of support. And what a support ! a warranty of 90% of sustainability. It cost a lot, and that point is often absent from a deal (for those who always want to compare apple with orange)

 

[Defcon 1]

India paid each Rafale nearly 100 euros millions.
A huge amount is for adaptation of 2 bases.... too much for only 36 planes.

So I think at least another batch of 36 will come.

The base cost was about $100 million. Modifying each Rafale for IAF requirements took another $50 million. Hence final cost came to $150 million per Rafale jet. This is flyaway cost only, not including support, spares or weapons.

 

[republic_roi97]

The base cost was about $100 million. Modifying each Rafale for IAF requirements took another $50 million. Hence final cost came to $150 million per Rafale jet. This is flyaway cost only, not including support, spares or weapons.

Holy Shit Mother of God

 

[Defcon 1]

Holy Shit Mother of God

The cost is not that high if you compare it with sales to other countries of aircraft with similar capabilities.

 

[BON PLAN]

The base cost was about $100 million. Modifying each Rafale for IAF requirements took another $50 million. Hence final cost came to $150 million per Rafale jet. This is flyaway cost only, not including support, spares or weapons.

Where have you find these 50 euros millions more for adaptating Rafale to India?
it's huge for another helmet (india can take the one to be integrated for Qatar), another target. pod (india can take the Talios, whose integration is paid by France), and probably a smart istraeli's glide bomb.

If you have the choice, for same price, to have 36 x 150 €millions Rafale in a pure indian definition, and 54 french definition Rafale F3R (with Talios, AASM, Meteor and the 'Qatar' helmet), I'm sure you will take 54 planes!
Specially in the indian air force situation.

 

[Defcon 1]

Where have you find these 50 euros millions more for adaptating Rafale to India?
it's huge for another helmet (india can take the one to be integrated for Qatar), another target. pod (india can take the Talios, whose integration is paid by France), and probably a smart istraeli's glide bomb.

If you have the choice, for same price, to have 36 x 150 €millions Rafale in a pure indian definition, and 54 french definition Rafale F3R (with Talios, AASM, Meteor and the 'Qatar' helmet), I'm sure you will take 54 planes!
Specially in the indian air force situation.

Sources said the "vanila price" (just the 36 aircraft) is about 3.42 billion Euros. The armaments cost about 710 million Euros while Indian specific changes, including integration of Israeli helmet mounted displays, will cost 1700 million Euros.

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

This is the source you asked for. India specific changes are not public. Probably IAF also chose IRST along with HMD.

 

[Filtercoffee]

Where have you find these 50 euros millions more for adaptating Rafale to India?
it's huge for another helmet (india can take the one to be integrated for Qatar), another target. pod (india can take the Talios, whose integration is paid by France), and probably a smart istraeli's glide bomb.

If you have the choice, for same price, to have 36 x 150 €millions Rafale in a pure indian definition, and 54 french definition Rafale F3R (with Talios, AASM, Meteor and the 'Qatar' helmet), I'm sure you will take 54 planes!
Specially in the indian air force situation.

Sir we have a great Dassault designed aircraft Tejas to worry about. I know we can buy more but we would like to take the design forward. As for systems to be integrated, we will try not to keep ourselves out of the loop. Further more I would like to add that even as we thought we can buy more, we realized our airforce cannot take on a combined attack by our neighborhood. God forbid this happens the missile systems are our only thrust forward.

 

[BON PLAN]

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

This is the source you asked for. India specific changes are not public. Probably IAF also chose IRST along with HMD.

Thanks for link.
A new IRST ? why not. A add on of the actual visual range head with a new indian IR one? Can be usefull, for french air force also.