Know Your 'Rafale'

[SATISH]

that will be for our ladies pilots.

Our ladies arent allowed to fly fighters.

 

[sathya]

JayATL... take a break. No use fighting here. You too want India to be power full. no one doubts.

Instead of trying to win diff of opinion, try to lead work where opinion is same.

For example try talking about USA missiles for Rafale.. everyone would like it..:kiss:

 

[sayareakd]

Our ladies arent allowed to fly fighters.

we need so many pilots as now we are getting twin seat fighters, they already fly transport and heli, plus first plane will come in 2015 so we have enough time.


BTW i even saw CISF woman commando fully armed (AK 47) with BPJ few days ago. So things are changing.

 

[trackwhack]

^^^Dude your comments are racist . Please edit your post.

What part? And I am a Mallu myself. Does that change your view?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

The Real Reasons for Rafale's Indian Victory

Nice article but no mention of Israel as one of India's suppliers??

 

[LETHALFORCE]

JayATL... take a break. No use fighting here. You too want India to be power full. no one doubts.

Instead of trying to win diff of opinion, try to lead work where opinion is same.

For example try talking about USA missiles for Rafale.. everyone would like it..:kiss:

This is an excellent topic to discuss. US was involved in METEOR development will this have any bearing
on delivery of the missile??

 

[Nagraj]

Hmmm yeah it does
but writing Mallu Lungi Chettan to a fellow mallu is a bit too much .
i dunno waht that means exactly :/

What part? And I am a Mallu myself. Does that change your view?

 

[Yusuf]

I don't know why we still struggle to discuss with civility and decorum. Temp bans coming the way of those who can't maintain control over language. Better stay out of te thread if you cannot be civil and cordial towards fellow members.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Meteor BVRAAM Development MoU Nears Finalization

Meteor BVRAAM Development

The UK MoD's decision in May 2000 to opt for MATRA BAe Dynamics' Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) to arm RAF Eurofighters, in preference to a proposed ramjet-powered development of Raytheon's AMRAAM known as FMRAAM, was for next-generation technology, rather than early delivery schedules. Earlier last year, MBD deputy chief executive Alan Garrod told Show News that the rocket/ramjet Meteor was the only submission which met all the MoD's SR(A) 1239 BVRAAM requirements, and was the best technical solution.

"Although it's based on MATRA MICA technologies, Meteor is a completely new missile," Garrod said. "It will require about seven years from the contract date to enter service, but we're very confident about its prospects."

Negotiations between the original BVRAAM member companies, comprising MBD in the UK and France, DASA's LFK in Germany, Alenia Marconi Systems in Italy, CASA in Spain, and Sweden's SAAB Dynamics, have necessarily been protracted. In November 1999, Boeing joined the Meteor team, to provide marketing in the U.S., and expertise on program management. In the absence of similar U.S. technology, Meteor integration is now also being jointly studied by MBD and Boeing Military Aircraft & Missile Systems with the mission systems of Boeing F-15s and F/A-18s, and Lockheed Martin F-16s. Boeing has also expressed interest in development of a strike version of Meteor, as a possible AGM-88 HARM successor, as well as eventually replacing AMRAAM in world-wide beyond-visual-range interception roles.

Finalization of a six-nation Memorandum of Understanding for Meteor development, as a lead-in to a production contract, has been under way in the past few months, and its signature is imminent. Teaming arrangements specified MBD UK as prime contractor, with system design, integration and test responsibilities, and included Bayern Chemie & Royal Ordnance for the variable-thrust ducted rocket/ramjet; Alenia Marconi Systems for the active radar seeker; and Saab Dynamics for the proximity fuse. Mid-course inertial guidance will incorporate in-flight updating, and terminal homing will be assisted by optimized proportional navigation.

The Meteor and other MBD missile projects are now being taken over by MBDA, following MBD's current amalgamation with EADS' Aerospatiale missile unit, and Finmeccanica/BAE Systems' Alenia Missile Systems. EADS and MATRA BAe also fully control LFK. Meteor development costs are estimated at about $700 million, or some 50% of the overall program value. The participating countries have selected Meteor as the main weapons system for around 1,000 Eurofighter, JAS 39 Gripen and Dassault Rafale combat aircraft, representing a potential market of $5 billion to $10 billion.

On its planned service introduction date of March 2008, given initial contract signature this year, the 408-pound Meteor will offer NATO Eurofighters BVRAAM performance of Mach 4-plus cruise over ranges of more than 100 km, with an end-game capability to intercept targets maneuvering at 8-9g. This is likely to be matched only by the proposed R-77M ramjet-boosted version of Russia's Vympel R-77 RVV-AE (AA-12 "Adder") active radar-guided medium-range AAM, now seeking development funding.

 

[sathya]

US involvement in meteor missile...
1.the missile forebody contains the inertial measurement system (IMS), provided by Litef, a German subsidiary of Northrop Grumman
2.The fin actuation subsystem (FAS) was originally designed and manufactured by the Claverham Group (formerly Fairey Hydraulics Limited) a Somerset, UK, based division of the U.S. company Hamilton Sundstran
3.The U.S. Government agreed to transfer development of the advanced propulsion system to the UK powered by a variable-flow ducted rocket ((VFDR)

 

[sathya]

Meteor With Eurofighter and Gripen, it is a two-way datalink, which will be able to transmit missile information such as functional and kinematic status, information on multiple targets, and notification of target acquisition by the seeker

It is different with Rafale, which is fitted with a one-way link originally designed for use with its MICA missiles. [8]

Mid-course guidance is provided by the fighter till the active seeker acquires the target, the missile then becoming autonomous.
Alternatively, the Meteor can be fired without using mid-course update, allowing the Rafale to immediately turn away to deny the enemy aircraft any firing possibility

 

[KS]

YouR kind makes me look like a genius. You claimed at first that the hornet lost because it had issues at high altitudes. I asked for proof and you squirm out by saying it common sense .

Then you claim Russia which had the clout to build nuclear installations in Iran , suddenly was shy because of us the BIG, BAD USA. To wait on the BIG BAD , USA , to Take a first go at it.


And finally, this one is hilarious, that Aussie exporting it to the India was because it was an " image" issue with the NSG. You still have not researched why India wants the Aussie uranium have ya? You have no clue why India pushed for it hard. You have no clue about India's , nuclear plant expansion,and aambitions that drove that need. Do any if you guys read up on anything ever?

Mr.Junior Obi Wan Kenobi,

For you,

Weapon and Technology: Why US Lost MMRCA : Idrw.org

Secondly I said the Hornet lost on technical grounds and the under perfomance at high altitudes was just one of them. Why dont you look at the writing on the wall instead of chasing the dog's tail ?

Face it -- out of the 643 technical parameters evaluated the Typhoon and Rafale finished in the top 2 followed by the rest of the pack and as already decided they were booted out. Simple.

Regarding the rest you really don't have an idea of what you are typing. Just one thing - even Russia of 1998 is not the same Russia of today. They were as distraught as we were.

 

[Armand2REP]

That is old. Boeing doesn't have to do with Meteor.

 

[Armand2REP]

It is different with Rafale, which is fitted with a one-way link originally designed for use with its MICA missiles. [8]

According to this MBDA promo it is two-way.

 

[Yusuf]

Hehehe, the government has already found a source to find this entire purchase at one to. SC has canceled the 2G licenses which when auctioned could fetch over $20 billion. !!!

 

[sathya]

Few facts about rafale...

1.First flight - 4 July 1986

2.Variants..
Rafale C Single -seat version
Rafale B Two-seater version
Rafale M carrier-borne fighters
Rafale D (D for "discret") to emphasise the new semi-stealthy design feature.

3.Weapons
Rafale can carry payloads of over 9t on 14 hardpoints for the air force version, and 13 for the naval version.

Mica, Magic, Sidewinder, ASRAAM and AMRAAM air-to-air missiles; Apache, AS30L, ALARM, HARM, Maverick ,Meteor BVRAAM
PGM100 air-to-ground missiles; and Sagem AASM ( air-to-groung modular weapon) precision-guided bomb
Exocet / AM39, Penguin 3 and Harpoon anti-ship missiles.,
Storm Shadow / Scalp EG stand-off cruise missil,
ASMP stand-off nuclear missile,

4.Accidents
On 6 December 2007, a French Air Force twin-seat Rafale crashed during a training flight.
On 24 September 2009, after unarmed test flights, two French Navy Rafales returning to the Charles de Gaulle, collided in mid-air
On 28 November 2010, a Rafale from carrier Charles de Gaulle crashed in the Arabian Sea.reports said the engine stopped after
being starved of fuel due to confusion by the pilot in switching fuel tanks..

 

[ace009]

Question: if India sent its taxpayer money as aid to Sri lanka or any country that the LCA was a contender, would you not be pissed too if you lost? if they are indeed giving India 1 billion in aid spread over 4 years, why can't you understand why they are pissed?

The question is are they really giving Aid to GOI who makes the decision? They don't. They give Aid to the poor states in India and to PRIVATE charities. Why should that influence GoI?
http://www.dfid.gov.uk/Where-we-work/Asia-South/India/

Also, did GoI ask for this aid? No they did not. Since 1969, GoI has never asked for foreign Aid - especially to Britain. Britain gives it as a "moral" duty - read "out of guilt" for the plundering they did in India for 200 years.

Finally - WHY is Aid (a form of charity) tacked with business? This is like saying I give you me $10 a year and then in return I have to buy something from you ONLY for $100. That does not make sense - now does it?

I am not sympathetic to the British - they f**ked my country for 200 years and plundered it's resources, destroyed the old economy without building a new one and left after creating a gigantic mess called Pakistan.

They can go and drown themselves in the British lager for all I care. First let them fix their economy and then come and tell us what to do.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

India's jet deal with Dassault setback to British industry: Report - The Economic Times


India's jet deal with Dassault setback to British industry



The British aerospace industry has been dealt a major blow after India favoured a French firm for a multibillion-pound fighter plane order, a newspaper said.

India on Wednesday gave the preferred bidder status to French firm Dassault ahead of an European consortium that included British defence giant BAE Systems. BAE has been hoping to partly assemble 126 Eurofighter Typhoon jets at Warton and Samlesbury in Lancashire for the Indian Air Force.

Favouring the French firm in the tendering process for India's new multi-role combat aircraft could have serious implications for BAE Systems and the British aerospace industry, the Morning Star reported Wednesday.

The Confederation of Shipbuilding and Engineering Unions, an umbrella body of manufacturing unions, will meet Defence Procurement Ministry Minister Peter Luff next week and will be raising the issue.

 

[rock127]

just 6 more to go...

 

[Nagraj]

Rafale to add combat edge to IAF: Ex-chiefs
Former Air chiefs believe that India buying 126 combat aircraft from French company Dassault Rafale will give a much-needed shot in the arm to Indian Air Force (IAF). India on Tuesday confirmed that the French major will get the $11 billion contract as it was the lowest bidder and also because of IAF's familiarity with French warplanes such as the Mirage.

Speaking to TSI, former Air Chief Fali Homi Major said, "It's an excellent decision as its going to add the much-needed combat edge to the Air Force." The tender itself was floated with the aim to replace India's shrinking MiG-21 interceptor fleet and the complement of 126 aircraft will fit between India's high end Su-30MKIs and its low-end Tejas LCA lightweight fighters.

The bidding process for the tender initially had six companies in the fray including American F-16 and F-18, Russian MiG 35, Swedish Saab Gripen, Eurofighter and Dassault Rafale. In the final race, Rafale pipped Eurofighter to win the contract.

Defense experts concur that Rafale has equipment, maintenance and spares commonalities with the existing Mirage 2000 fleet. "We needed an aircraft in the medium category, which was neither very big nor too small, which will perform roles like air combat, ground attack, bombing and electronic warfare," a source in Air Headquarters told TSI.

"As the Rafale aircraft has canard wings, small wings ahead of the main wing, which is also in SU-30 it will give capacity to the aircraft to vertically go up and this gives a huge advantage in combat scenario," the officer added.

Air Chief Marshal (Retd.) SP Tyagi also believes that the deal will add to the waning combat squadron strength of the IAF. He however warns of a long road ahead before the deal is finally completed. "IAF's position is so weak that this contract will come as a big boost. However, the signing of the contract itself will take around six months and another 15 years for the deal to reach fruition," he points out.

According to the Request for Proposal (RFP), the winner of the contract will have to supply 18 of the 126 aircraft to the IAF in 36 months from its facilities and the remaining would be produced at HAL facilities in Bangalore. The contract is supposed to be signed in the next fiscal.

As per the RFP, estimated cost of the tender is Rs. 42,000 crore (about $10.24 billion as on date or about $81.3 million per fighter). Sources inform that the total value of this contract will be much more than the approximate $11 billion price tag being mentioned now if one takes into account the supply of spare parts, upgrades etc over the 30 to 40 year service life of the aircraft.

There is also a clause of offset which the French company will have to follow. Dassault Rafale will be required to undertake 50% offset obligations, which was raised from the usual 30%, as required for Indian defense purchases over $70 million.

Ministry sources inform that further negotiations on price will be held with Dassault over the next 10 to15 days.