Know Your 'Rafale'

[WolfPack86]

With Rafale, A Game-Changer Missile That Puts India Ahead of China: Exclusive

 

[Scarface]

Well there's a silver lining to this deal after all,
I'd say the meteor is more important than the rafales themselves

 

[WolfPack86]

India To Pay 7.87 Billion Euros For 36 Rafale Fighters

India will pay about 7.87 billion Euros for 36 Rafale fighters when it signs a deal with France on September 23, sources have told NDTV.

Of the 7.87 billion Euros, about 50 per cent will be covered under offset, which means either France will reinvest this amount in India or source equipment of this value from India.

French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian will be in India for the signing of the deal.

An Inter-Governmental Agreement between India and France allows for a follow on order of Rafale fighters with a 10 per cent cost escalation. The government claims that it has brought down the price by about 600 million Euros from the initial demand.

The deal could not be signed this January when French President Francois Hollande was the Chief Guest for the Republic Day because India wanted a better price.
Negotiations went on till 2 am on January 26, but an agreement on price could not be reached then. India and France agreed to sign a general agreement without naming the price.

India needs at least 42 squadrons of fighters and has an existing strength of 32. The fighter fleet will go down further by about 10 squadrons as the MiG-21 fighter will have to be decommissioned.
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-to-pay-7-87-billion-euros-for-36-rafale-fighters-1459175

 

[WolfPack86]

Rafale deal to be signed on September 23
The much-anticipated contract for 36 Rafale fighter jets will be signed on September 23 as both India and France have finalized the details for the deal, which will cost about Euro 7.87 billion.

The much-anticipated contract for 36 Rafale fighter jets will be signed on September 23 as both India and France have finalized the details for the deal, which will cost about Euro 7.87 billion.

There was buzz that the Scorpene leak might affect the Rafale deal, but Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar had assured that the leaked documents are not of concern.

Government sources said the cost, offsets and service details have been finalized and the work is being done on the Inter-Governmental Agreement for the deal.
A “working team” from France is already in town with their own translators and are going through the contract, running into several thousand pages, with their Indian counterparts.

The sources said that once the IGA is firmed up, the document will go back to the Cabinet Committee on Security for a final clearance.

They said that India has been able to save over Euro 590 million+ through tough price negotiations which began in January this year.
Though the deal could have been firmed up earlier, issues like pricing and offsets took time as India wanted a better contract.

Following intervention by Prime Minister Modi late last year, France agreed for a 50 per cent offset clause. This means creating business worth at least three billion Euros for Indian companies, both big and small, and generating thousands of jobs in India through offsets.

A high-level delegation from France could come down for the formal signing of the contract, French sources said.

The delivery for the fighter aircraft is expected to begin in 2019, with an annual inflation capped at 3.5 per cent.
The weapon systems, part of the deal, will also include the new-age, beyond visual range missile ‘Meteor’, and Israeli helmet mounted display.
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/rafale-deal-to-be-signed-on-september-23/

 

[WolfPack86]

India to sign €7.87 billion #RafaleDeal on September 23, reports The @IndianExpress.
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

 

[Indx TechStyle]

7.87 billion euro Rafale deal likely to be signed on September 23

 

[akk]

Well. ....nothing is over till it is over. cannot be more true than rafale!
I am hoping it's true this time because. ......going by astrology.....no contracts should be signed due to retrograde mercury tI'll 22nd. I am guessing if 23rd date is indeed correct, then it's deliberate to avoid the current phase! just a thought

 

[BON PLAN]

You talk as if 50% offset is a discount. Here also Dassault has the unfair advantage. They will shift their assembly line for failed Falcon jet to India as part of offset!!!
From 7.8 to 7.3, the climb down is just token and face-saving for Modi Govt.
PS::Reason why you are dancing with joy..

What kind of FAILED falcon my dear ? explain us please.

 

[BON PLAN]

With Rafale, A Game-Changer Missile That Puts India Ahead of China: Exclusive

So sad, main film part shows Mirage 2000 instead of Rafale ....

 

[WolfPack86]

Rafale deal set to be sealed next week.

French Defence Minister Jean Yves Le Drian is likely to visit India next week to conclude the Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) between India and France for the purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets, bringing to an end the 17-month-long negotiations. Mr. Drian is expected in Delhi on September 23 to conclude the IGA.

The deal is expected to cost over 55,000 crore Rupees depending on the currency fixation in the contract. The aircraft will be slightly customised as per the requirements of the Indian Air Force (IAF) and deliveries will begin in 2019 with sovereign guarantee by French government.
https://www.facebook.com/TejasMrca/photos?ref=page_internal

 

[WolfPack86]

India-France Rafale deal :: All details fixed, agreement being finalized

 

[WolfPack86]

More details of Rafale contract

Dasault has confirmed that the Rafales will be delivered at a rate of two airframes per month. The IGA is being prepared and our sources tell us that the agreement will be signed before the end of this month, some even suggesting by next week.

Earlier negotiations stipulated that the Rafales were to be delivered 18 months from the signing of the contract. But the current contract reveal the delivery start date to be in 2019, possibly due to the modifications required by the IAF and conflicting delivery schedules with Egypt and Qatar among various other reasons.

The deal includes ToT and a 50% offset where France will invest 30 percent into military aeronautics-related research programs and 20 percent into local production of Rafale components. ToT includes state-of-the-art technologies in stealth, radar, thrust vectoring for missiles, and materials for electronics and micro-electronics.

Another important development was the confirmation of 'Make In India' Rafale production line by the BJP spokeperson during a television program. As we had reported earlier, the follow on orders will be in 5 tranches with a total order around 150+ jets for both IAF and the Navy under MII. The decision will be made before the end of this financial year.
https://www.facebook.com/TejasMrca/photos?ref=page_internal

 

[WolfPack86]

7.87 Billion Euro Rafale Deal To Be Signed On Sept. 23 in New Delhi
More than a decade after India decided to purchase a new line of fighter aircraft, it is now official. On September 23rd, India will sign a deal for 36 Rafale fighters with France for about 7.87 billion Euros, sources have told NDTV.

Along with the 36 fighters, India will also get spares and weaponry, including the Meteor missile, considered among the most advanced in the world.

Of the 7.87 billion Euros, about 50 per cent will be covered under offset, which means either France will reinvest this amount in India or source equipment of this value from India.

French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian will be in India for the signing of the deal.

An Inter-Governmental Agreement between India and France allows for a follow on order of Rafale fighters with a 10 per cent cost escalation. The government claims that it has brought down the price by about 600 million Euros from the initial demand.

The deal could not be signed this January when French President Francois Hollande was the Chief Guest for the Republic Day because India wanted a better price.

Negotiations went on till 2 am on January 26, but an agreement on price could not be reached then. India and France agreed to sign a general agreement without naming the price.

For the Indian Air Force, the deal is bitter-sweet. On one hand, they will be getting two squadrons of the state-of-the-art fighter, on the other hand, the original requirement was for at least 126 jets.

India needs at least 42 squadrons of fighters and has an existing strength of 32. The fighter fleet will go down further by about 10 squadrons as the MiG-21 fighter will have to be decommissioned.

The new fighters will begin entering service in 2019.
http://www.defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=8138

 

[WolfPack86]

Here's what the Rafale will look like in Indian Air Force colours. / via @Livefist
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

 

[WolfPack86]

As the Rafale deal is close to getting concluded, let’s look at how the $8.8 billion total is broken up;

~ The fly away cost for a single Rafale airframe is $85 Million (according to official french documents)
So for 36 Rafales = 36 x 85 = $3.06 Billion.

~ IAF is getting two types of air to air missiles the Mica and Meteor as well as two types of air to ground missiles that includes the Scalp and AASM. So the weapons package per Rafale costs around $20 million (average) = 36 x 20 = $720 Million.

~ Setting up of two bases, logistics and engineering/maintenance infrastructure along with support for 10 years will cost $2.5 Billion.

~ Customization as required by the IAF that includes increased high altitude and hot weather performance, Indian weapons, improved engines etc will cost $2 Billion.

~ An additional clause added to the IGA that gives autonomy to the Indian Govt. whether to opt out from buying additional tranches of Rafales (excluding the follow on 18) without any financial repercussions and other conditions including an inflation cap at 3.5% will add another $500 Million.

Contrary to what the paid media is trying to convince, the current Rafale deal is the best one we could ever get. The long time that was required to pen down this contract was because this will be set as the benchmark for all future negotiations with any government. Only deals as good as this one or better would be accepted.

Hence each part of the deal had to be scrutinized in detail multiple times by the Financial Ministry and Law Ministry, in addition to the Defence Ministry checks.
https://www.facebook.com/TejasMrca/photos?ref=page_internal

 

[WolfPack86]

Rafales for the Indian Air Force will be tailor-made fighters. The $2 Billion customizations include:

~ Integration and testing of Indian weapons, HMDS and targeting pod

Indian weapons customization includes Astra BVRAAM, Brahmos-NG ALCM and other munitions under development including PGMs and NGARM. The costs will include integration and testing which is very expensive and time consuming as each change will have to be validated for RCS and SPECTRA suite’s calibration among other normal tests like separation, configuration etc. It also includes the cost of integrating the Topsight HMDS and Litening pod.

~ Higher thrust/ Improved engine

IAF wanted a higher thrust than the current 75KN wet thrust. Dassault/Snecma proposed the M-88-3/4E upgrade which would increase the thrust to 90KN which would translate to increased overall performance including an additional 1 Ton payload from the original 9 Ton, without compromising on fuel efficiency and life of the engine. The improvement is done in such a way that the air-intakes doesn’t need a design change.

~ High altitude and Hot desert performance increase

The engine upgrade was the result of IAF requirements that the Rafale should be able to operate in both these conditions without losing performance, and payload capacity. This translated to the overall aircraft and engines being modified to withstand searing temperatures and sand ingestion while operating in the western frontier as well as bone chilling cold while retaining its ability for short take-off with payload while operating out of Leh-Ladakh.

~ Anti-corrosion/ Harsh weather treatments

Indian jets are prone to a large variation in climatic condition while operating in different parts of the country. This can adversely affect the aircraft’s life and availability. IAF has taken a leaf out of its experience in operating older jets under these condition and want the Rafales covered for these situation. The MKI fiasco was another reason why this clause was added to the requirements.
https://www.facebook.com/TejasMrca/photos?ref=page_internal

 

[BON PLAN]

Rafales for the Indian Air Force will be tailor-made fighters. The $2 Billion customizations include:

~ Integration and testing of Indian weapons, HMDS and targeting pod

Indian weapons customization includes Astra BVRAAM, Brahmos-NG ALCM and other munitions under development including PGMs and NGARM. The costs will include integration and testing which is very expensive and time consuming as each change will have to be validated for RCS and SPECTRA suite’s calibration among other normal tests like separation, configuration etc. It also includes the cost of integrating the Topsight HMDS and Litening pod.

~ Higher thrust/ Improved engine

IAF wanted a higher thrust than the current 75KN wet thrust. Dassault/Snecma proposed the M-88-3/4E upgrade which would increase the thrust to 90KN which would translate to increased overall performance including an additional 1 Ton payload from the original 9 Ton, without compromising on fuel efficiency and life of the engine. The improvement is done in such a way that the air-intakes doesn’t need a design change.

~ High altitude and Hot desert performance increase

The engine upgrade was the result of IAF requirements that the Rafale should be able to operate in both these conditions without losing performance, and payload capacity. This translated to the overall aircraft and engines being modified to withstand searing temperatures and sand ingestion while operating in the western frontier as well as bone chilling cold while retaining its ability for short take-off with payload while operating out of Leh-Ladakh.

~ Anti-corrosion/ Harsh weather treatments

Indian jets are prone to a large variation in climatic condition while operating in different parts of the country. This can adversely affect the aircraft’s life and availability. IAF has taken a leaf out of its experience in operating older jets under these condition and want the Rafales covered for these situation. The MKI fiasco was another reason why this clause was added to the requirements.
https://www.facebook.com/TejasMrca/photos?ref=page_internal

The actual air inlets were studied to offer a +/-10% increase in engine power. Not 20% ! ie max engine power with actual air intake is 8.2 or 8.3T.

Maybe the longer than expected time to deliver first indian Rafale may cover the developpment of a new Rafale variant with 9T engines. But I don't think so : Too few planes ordered for such a modification. Except if Dassault is absolutely sure there will be follow on orders....

 

[Scarface]

The actual air inlets were studied to offer a +/-10% increase in engine power. Not 20% ! ie max engine power with actual air intake is 8.2 or 8.3T.

Maybe the longer than expected time to deliver first indian Rafale may cover the developpment of a new Rafale variant with 9T engines. But I don't think so : Too few planes ordered for such a modification. Except if Dassault is absolutely sure there will be follow on orders....

You are probably right
TejasMRCA is a literal Facebook page and not a reliable source for anything not tejas-related

 

[WolfPack86]

Rafale deal: French Defence Minister Jean Yves Le Drian to arrive in India
New Delhi: French Defence Minister Jean Yves Le Drian is set to arrive in New Delhi on 22 September along with CEOs of Dassault Aviation, Thales and MBDA to seal the 7.87 billion Euros deal for 36 Rafale fighter jets.

Defence sources said if all goes well, the Inter Governmental Agreement (IGA) will be signed on 23 September. Government sources said the cost, offsets and service details have been finalised and work is currently being done on the IGA.
A "working team" from France is already in town with their own translators are going through the contract, running into several thousand pages, with their Indian counterparts. The sources said that once the IGA is firmed up, the document will go to the Cabinet Committee on Security for final clearance.

The French Defence Minister will be arriving on the evening of September 22 along with CEOs of companies involved in the Rafale project, sources involved in the deal said. India has been able to save over Euro 590 million through tough price negotiations which began in January this year.

Though the deal could have been firmed up earlier, issues like pricing and offsets took time as India wanted a better contract. Following intervention by Prime Minister Narendra Modi late last year, France agreed for a 50 per cent offset clause.
This means creating business worth at least three billion Euros for Indian companies, both big and small, and generating hundreds of jobs in India through offsets. The delivery for the fighter aircraft is expected to begin in 2019, with an annual inflation capped at 3.5 percent.

The weapon systems, part of the deal, will also include the new-age beyond visual range missile 'Meteor', and Israeli helmet-mounted display. Last month, a report submitted by the team negotiating the Rafale deal with France was cleared by the Defence Ministry. The file was then sent to the Prime Minister's Office for review and clearance.

The work on the IGA started after that, sources said. During his visit to France in April last year, the Prime Minister had announced that India would purchase 36 Rafale jets in a government-to-government contract.

Soon after the announcement, the Defence Ministry had scrapped a separate process that was on to purchase 126 Rafale fighter planes, built by French defence giant Dassault Aviation.
http://www.firstpost.com/world/rafa...yves-le-drian-to-arrive-in-india-3009706.html

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Behind Rafale deal: Their ‘strategic’ role in delivery of nuclear weapons
The long-delayed deal is being finalised because India has identified the French fighters for their ‘strategic’ role — to deliver nuclear weapons.
WRITTEN BY SUSHANT SINGH | NEW DELHI |Updated: September 18, 2016 4:52 AM

WITH INDIA and France expected to announce the Inter-Government Agreement (IGA) for Rafale fighter jets in the next few days, the clinching factor behind Delhi deciding to buy even only 36 French aircraft has become clearer. The long-delayed deal is being finalised because India has identified the French fighters for their ‘strategic’ role — to deliver nuclear weapons.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) currently has 32 fighter squadrons against an authorisation of 42, and many of them, particularly the MiGs, are reaching the end of their service in this decade. Thirty-six Rafales, to be inducted between 2019 and 2023, will make for only two squadrons. This still leaves a huge gap, to be filled by either the indigenous Tejas fighters, or another foreign fighter such as the Swedish Gripen or the American F-16, both of which have offered to ‘Make in India’.

Although there is a follow-up clause in the IGA for buying an additional 18 Rafales, the numbers still fall short of the 126 Rafales India had originally planned to buy under the previous UPA government.

According to officials who spoke to The Sunday Express on condition of anonymity, the deciding factor in buying the Rafales, even in such small numbers, was its ability “to be used as an airborne strategic delivery system”. In other words, Rafale is expected to be the chosen fighter plane for the delivery of nuclear weapons in a strike role.

“The French Air Force, Armee de l’ Air, is shifting from Mirages to Rafales for its nuclear strike role this year. They have already started the process, and although our nuclear delivery systems are different from theirs, it does tell us that Rafale is suited for that task,” said a defence official.

“The French Mirage-2000s have been modified for the delivery of our strategic arsenal. France has continued to provide maintenance, spares and technical support for these Mirages, which may not have been the case with some other foreign countries. We expect the same degree of cooperation from France when we modify and use the Rafales for that role,” said another official.

At present, IAF is supposed to use modified Mirage-2000 fighters in a nuclear strike role. But these upgraded Mirages are scheduled to be phased out of service from 2030 onwards. According to officials, a replacement for them would be needed, and India’s comfort with Paris on these matters makes it logical to go with Rafales for this critical task.

Meanwhile, sources have confirmed that India has extended an invite to the French defence minister, Jean Yves Le Drian, to visit Delhi next week. Although a formal confirmation from Paris was not received till Friday, the two sides are expected to announce the signing of an IGA for 36 Rafales next week.

Following a Cabinet Committee on Security approval, a contract, if things go as per schedule, should be signed within 45 days. An advance of 10-15 per cent of total contract value is expected to be paid to the French government at the signing of the contract.

During his visit to Paris last April, Prime Minister Narendra Modi had announced the purchase of 36 Rafale fighters in a government-to-government deal with France. This followed a decade-long process of trials and selection of Rafales for the 126 Medium Multi Range Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender, which could not be concluded. The MMRCA tender was formally withdrawn by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar later last year.

India and France underwent a series of negotiations over the price of the 36 fighters, and the two sides agreed to a final price of about Euro 7.87 billion a few weeks ago. Although all the fighters will be made in France, Rafale will invest 50 per cent of the value of the deal as offsets in India. The delivery of the first fighter aircraft is scheduled for 2019.