Know Your 'Rafale'

[BON PLAN]

You have them now with Hollande!

I agree ! But less than one year and there will be a massiv change

 

[BON PLAN]

Japans plant did melt.. so are you now going to compare Russia and Japan?

Tchernobyl my dear.... russian technology

 

[gadeshi]

Tchernobyl my dear.... russian technology

No, American Westinghouse technology

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[gadeshi]

But RBE2AESA is able to fired Meteor at full range. so it can fired every R77 model also.

The point is wether the engine gearbox will be capable enough to feed it.

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[WolfPack86]

The Rafale deal and what it brings with it.

The deal to purchase 36 Rafale aircraft in a fly-away condition from France has been finalised and is likely to be put up before Prime Minister Narendra Modi soon. The estimated cost of the deal is about 7.89 billion Euros and entails a 50 per cent offset clause.

Under the offset agreement, which was discussed last year, the French side has made a 30 per cent offset commitment for military aerospace research and development programmes and the rest 20 per cent for making components of Rafales here. The offsets will be carried out by French companies Safran, Thales, MBDA and Dassault, all part of the Rafale project.

As per the initial agreed points, the French have offered to provide stealth, radar and thrust vectoring for missiles technologies besides others to DRDO and domestic defence firms. Once a final contract for 36 Rafale aircraft is signed, the French government will give subject wise clearance and concrete talks will start and will be finalized within a window of six months.

The French have also agreed in principle to collaborate on the Kaveri engine which lacks the real power thrust needed to fly the Tejas. An upgraded Kaveri engine with 90 kN thrust compared to the existing 72 kN can be developed with French cooperation which can eventually be used for Tejas which currently uses an American engine.

The French are hoping that they will have a bigger share in the Indian defence market and see the Rafale contract as a great breakthrough. They are also hoping that India will eventually go in for more Rafale aircraft, possibly under the Make in India route.
https://www.facebook.com/TejasMrca/photos?ref=page_internal

 

[harsh]

About rafale
now I feel that saying next month. .....1 more month..... just 1 more ......ok we do it in next month. ..... about to complete ....... small issues remaining. . Good news about to come....... we are ready to finalise the deal. ....... Negotiations are about to complete. ..... only some issues are on the table.
is just a very good idea.
We are never going to say No.
its only upto france how quickly they can understand.

 

[harsh]

http://idrw.org/india-france-fighter-jet-deal-faces-delays/

 

[smestarz]

One of the most idiotic article by Rafale fanboys on facebook.
But then which Rafale fanboy is not idiotic,, and in some forums they are made the mods !!!

The Rafale deal and what it brings with it.

The deal to purchase 36 Rafale aircraft in a fly-away condition from France has been finalised and is likely to be put up before Prime Minister Narendra Modi soon. The estimated cost of the deal is about 7.89 billion Euros and entails a 50 per cent offset clause.

Under the offset agreement, which was discussed last year, the French side has made a 30 per cent offset commitment for military aerospace research and development programmes and the rest 20 per cent for making components of Rafales here. The offsets will be carried out by French companies Safran, Thales, MBDA and Dassault, all part of the Rafale project.

As per the initial agreed points, the French have offered to provide stealth, radar and thrust vectoring for missiles technologies besides others to DRDO and domestic defence firms. Once a final contract for 36 Rafale aircraft is signed, the French government will give subject wise clearance and concrete talks will start and will be finalized within a window of six months.

The French have also agreed in principle to collaborate on the Kaveri engine which lacks the real power thrust needed to fly the Tejas. An upgraded Kaveri engine with 90 kN thrust compared to the existing 72 kN can be developed with French cooperation which can eventually be used for Tejas which currently uses an American engine.

The French are hoping that they will have a bigger share in the Indian defence market and see the Rafale contract as a great breakthrough. They are also hoping that India will eventually go in for more Rafale aircraft, possibly under the Make in India route.
https://www.facebook.com/TejasMrca/photos?ref=page_internal

 

[Tactical Frog]

One of the most idiotic article by Rafale fanboys on facebook.
But then which Rafale fanboy is not idiotic,, and in some forums they are made the mods !!!

It is not from Facebook. You can find it at http://www.defenseworld.net/news/16534/France_Offers_Missile__Engine_Tech_As_Rafale_Offsets

The Rafale bashers are idiotic and will be proven so .

 

[Gessler]

Then perhaps the French are the most certified idiots and Indians more corrupt
IAF insist that Tejas has an AESA but then when it was possible for Mirage 2000 to have an AESA they simply rolled over.. LOL talk about courage and corruption.. All corruption, no courage

There is no AESA integration option for Mirage-2000. Infact when we were negotiating for the upgrade, even Rafale did not have AESA.

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

There is no AESA integration option for Mirage-2000. Infact when we were negotiating for the upgrade, even Rafale did not have AESA.

Unfortunately what us acceptable to iaf for your I imported products is not acceptable I n case of domestic products

Just a few months ago iaf was not willing to induct tejas without aesa

 

[BON PLAN]

No, American Westinghouse technology

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Absolutely not !
Реактор Большой Мощности Канальный / Reaktor Bolshoy Moshchnosti Kanalnyi, or RBMK.

The 6 Thernobyl reactors were RBMK 1000 model = russian made

But probably built on stolen design ... maybe from Westinghouse.... by your KGB, as you were unable to match west design.

As Tupolev 144 built on Concorde stolen design (Tu144 was called Concordsky).

Probably in the 2 case you forgot something when traducing the stolen documents as the two turned wrong....

 

[WolfPack86]

France Offer To Kickstart Kaveri Engine For Tejas

NEW DELHI: France has offered to help India revive the unsuccessful Kaveri engine project for indigenous Tejas aircraft and a host of other high-end collaboration as part of the offsets in the multi-billion Euro Rafale fighter plane deal which is now in the final stages.
Defence sources said the file on the purchase of the 36 Rafale aircraft in a fly-away condition from France has been finalised and is likely to be put up before Prime Minister Narendra Modi soon.
The estimated cost of the deal is about 7.89 billion Euros and entails a 50 per cent offset clause.
Under the offset agreement, which was discussed last year, the French side has made a 30 per cent offset commitment for military aerospace research and development programmes and the rest 20 per cent for making components of Rafales here.
The offsets will be carried out by French companies Safran, Thales, MBDA and Dassault, all part of the Rafale project. As per the initial agreed points, the French have offered to provide stealth, radar and thrust vectoring for missiles technologies besides others to DRDO and domestic defence firms.
"The French government has in principle agreed on these points under the offset commitments. Once a final contract for 36 Rafale aircraft is signed, the French government will give subject wise clearance and concrete talks will start," a defence source said.
The French have also agreed in principle to collaborate on the Kaveri engine which lacks the real power thrust needed to fly the Tejas.
An upgraded Kaveri engine with 90 kN thrust compared to the existing 72 kN can be developed with French cooperation which can eventually be used for Tejas which currently uses an American engine.
"The negotiations on offsets were carried out last year with DRDO and some other agencies. Once the contract for the Rafales is signed, there will be a six months window to finalise the offset," a source said.
The French are hoping that they will have a bigger share in the Indian defence market and see the Rafale contract as a great breakthrough. They are also hoping that India will eventually go in for more Rafale aircraft, possibly under the 'Make in India' route.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/07/france-offers-to-kicksart-kaveri-engine.html

 

[Gessler]

Unfortunately what us acceptable to iaf for your I imported products is not acceptable I n case of domestic products

Just a few months ago iaf was not willing to induct tejas without aesa

Tejas is already inducted with EL/M-2032, and it's BVR armament isn't integrated yet (Derby launch was in BNG mode)...while even MiG-21 Bison has BVR capability since a decade. IAF is doing Tejas a favor.

AESA is for Mk-1A and Mk-2 which are for the future, both are going to be post-2020 inductions most likely.

IAF inducted Mirage-2000 in the 80s when Tejas development was just starting. What we did for it is just an upgrade and even then the Tejas has to serve IAF for a much longer time after Mirage is retired. And by inducting Tejas without ESA radar, we're actually inducting it at the same standard as 80s aircraft. IAF is doing Tejas a big favor, mind you.

Even Su-30MKI that we purchased in late 90s/early 21st century has PESA radars from the start.

How many fighters are being inducted today in leading air forces of the world without AESA/PESA radars?

Su-35? J-10B? J-11B? SH-18? MiG-35?

Lol even Egypt & Australia are inducting planes with AESA (the threats they face are next to nothing compared to us) while at the same time IAF is buying planes with MSA radars - can you imagine it? But they're having to do this because IAF & MoD are very firmly behind the Tejas project and we have to support the local industry. And you're all acting as if Tejas is the most advanced plane in the world and IAF hates it just because it's not foreign.

I can laugh at how ungrateful and bitter you are.

 

[gadeshi]

Absolutely not !
Реактор Большой Мощности Канальный / Reaktor Bolshoy Moshchnosti Kanalnyi, or RBMK.

The 6 Thernobyl reactors were RBMK 1000 model = russian made

But probably built on stolen design ... maybe from Westinghouse.... by your KGB, as you were unable to match west design.

As Tupolev 144 built on Concorde stolen design (Tu144 was called Concordsky).

Probably in the 2 case you forgot something when traducing the stolen documents as the two turned wrong....

Yeah, my fault.
I thought that you said that about Fukushima reactor.

However: Chornobyl catastrophy was not driven by the tech or design flaws, but by safety and usage instructions violations during energetic experiments on it.

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[PaliwalWarrior]

Tejas is already inducted with EL/M-2032, and it's BVR armament isn't integrated yet (Derby launch was in BNG mode)...while even MiG-21 Bison has BVR capability since a decade. IAF is doing Tejas a favor.

AESA is for Mk-1A and Mk-2 which are for the future, both are going to be post-2020 inductions most likely.

IAF inducted Mirage-2000 in the 80s when Tejas development was just starting. What we did for it is just an upgrade and even then the Tejas has to serve IAF for a much longer time after Mirage is retired. And by inducting Tejas without ESA radar, we're actually inducting it at the same standard as 80s aircraft. IAF is doing Tejas a big favor, mind you.

Even Su-30MKI that we purchased in late 90s/early 21st century has PESA radars from the start.

How many fighters are being inducted today in leading air forces of the world without AESA/PESA radars?

Su-35? J-10B? J-11B? SH-18? MiG-35?

Lol even Egypt & Australia are inducting planes with AESA (the threats they face are next to nothing compared to us) while at the same time IAF is buying planes with MSA radars - can you imagine it? But they're having to do this because IAF & MoD are very firmly behind the Tejas project and we have to support the local industry. And you're all acting as if Tejas is the most advanced plane in the world and IAF hates it just because it's not foreign.

I can laugh at how ungrateful and bitter you are.

Unfortunately
W are talking about config & capability at time of induction
What was capability o mig21 & mirage at the time of their induction I. Iaf

Tejas hs much more capability than any other fighter at the time of its induction in iaf

 

[gadeshi]

Unfortunately
W are talking about config & capability at time of induction
What was capability o mig21 & mirage at the time of their induction I. Iaf

Tejas hs much more capability than any other fighter at the time of its induction in iaf

The only thing that matter in this case is modernization potential.
I.E. how quick and easy particular plane can incorporate new avionics, engine, etc and in what cost.

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[Immanuel]

Tejas is already inducted with EL/M-2032, and it's BVR armament isn't integrated yet (Derby launch was in BNG mode)...while even MiG-21 Bison has BVR capability since a decade. IAF is doing Tejas a favor.

AESA is for Mk-1A and Mk-2 which are for the future, both are going to be post-2020 inductions most likely.

IAF inducted Mirage-2000 in the 80s when Tejas development was just starting. What we did for it is just an upgrade and even then the Tejas has to serve IAF for a much longer time after Mirage is retired. And by inducting Tejas without ESA radar, we're actually inducting it at the same standard as 80s aircraft. IAF is doing Tejas a big favor, mind you.

Even Su-30MKI that we purchased in late 90s/early 21st century has PESA radars from the start.

How many fighters are being inducted today in leading air forces of the world without AESA/PESA radars?

Su-35? J-10B? J-11B? SH-18? MiG-35?

Lol even Egypt & Australia are inducting planes with AESA (the threats they face are next to nothing compared to us) while at the same time IAF is buying planes with MSA radars - can you imagine it? But they're having to do this because IAF & MoD are very firmly behind the Tejas project and we have to support the local industry. And you're all acting as if Tejas is the most advanced plane in the world and IAF hates it just because it's not foreign.

I can laugh at how ungrateful and bitter you are.

Bitch please, tejas needs no favors from the IAF, they need to quit whining and induct it, for the third class mentality that a lot of top management at IAF have, Tejas in its present condition is a better start than they deserve.

 

[Sam Biswas]

The Rafale deal and what it brings with it.

The deal to purchase 36 Rafale aircraft in a fly-away condition from France has been finalised and is likely to be put up before Prime Minister Narendra Modi soon. The estimated cost of the deal is about 7.89 billion Euros and entails a 50 per cent offset clause..................

It will be a deal with a bunch of liars and crooks. They will torment India for decades with tricks and traps which obviously they are master of and bleed India for billions of dollars. Hope Modi and Parrikar are smarter than that and do not waste nine billion dollars that could do a lot of good for India including Defence. This fund will be better spent on Tejas, and T-50/FGFA.

 

[harsh]

F-35 Unit Cost To Go Below $100 Million, Maker Says

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/07/f-35-unit-cost-to-go-below-100-million.html?m=1

Now India should go for it....better choice then Rafale