Know Your 'Rafale'

[gadeshi]

Electronic russian industry are top world class, it is well known.

Every one know that INTEL is a russian compagny

Just explain me why russian MBT are equipped with western electro optical system ?

Do you (or Intel) have superscalar processors with 24 or 32 instructions per tact? Russians have Elbrus family.
Do you have bispectral aviation-grade optronics? Russians have.
And the most part - what is the friench (US) analog of Krasukha-4 high energy MASER (microwave LASER) - in fact sectoral denial continous EMP pulse gun ?

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[BON PLAN]

Simply because USA was the one who saved your bacon in WW2 and got you out of trouble in Vietnam.. that is why France OWES to USA.

USA help us slighly during WW1. And more heavily during WW2. Our real savior was USSR. Without USSR no landing in Normandie.

Vietnam? We loose the cambodge war alone. USA doens't help us. Unfortunately for them some years after.

France owes to USA ???? Stop drinking Bro

 

[BON PLAN]

Would Mirage engine be developing enough power to power RBE2 AA efficiently? If yes Maybe french should just put AESA on Mirage 2000 they might have better cost saving

It seems. A 9.7 tons engine is enough for. Ask HAL : they intend to put an AESA radar in a Tejas with 8tons of thrust.

 

[BON PLAN]

No matter regarding the subject.

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You simply show you doesn't know the subjet.

 

[BON PLAN]

Do you (or Intel) have superscalar processors with 24 or 32 instructions per tact? Russians have Elbrus family.
Do you have bispectral aviation-grade optronics? Russians have.
And the most part - what is the friench (US) analog of Krasukha-4 high energy MASER (microwave LASER) - in fact sectoral denial continous EMP pulse gun ?

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At least our SSN and boomer doesn't sank.
At least our rocket Ariane 5 don't explode every two years.
Our nuclear plant doesn't meld.

 

[Gessler]

Without French support, I doubt US would have even existed as an Independent country. Did you all forget the help France provided during US war for independence from Britain?

" After the Americans captured a British army, France recognized and allied itself with them in February 1778, declared war on Britain, provided money and matériel to arm the new republic, and sent an army to the United States. French intervention made a decisive contribution to the U.S. victory in the war. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War

At least our SSN and boomer doesn't sank.

It's a submarine. It HAS to sink, otherwise it's pretty useless.

 

[gadeshi]

It seems. A 9.7 tons engine is enough for. Ask HAL : they intend to put an AESA radar in a Tejas with 8tons of thrust.

Radar type is not the point.
Russian NIIP has made AESA radar for Yak-130, but it does not mean that Yak-130 will be able to fire R-77-1 to its full range.

 

[gadeshi]

At least our SSN and boomer doesn't sank.
At least our rocket Ariane 5 don't explode every two years.
Our nuclear plant doesn't meld.

Your subs can be seen in ports more often than in seas
And of course your military have not experienced Yeltsin's times...
Your Ariane has 1-2 launches a year at best case (which is fucking low and makes launch prices fucking high).
Russians have 37-43 launches a year with only 2 losses for a 3 years.
You have no nuclear plants in numbers and they are constantly close You have ravaged and tried to "re-colonize" Mali for U235 deposites, but failed to do so. So your nuclear power plants will be closed at all due to fuel shortage.
And of course you haven't seen traitor's times of Gorbachov...
You have them now with Hollande!

Now you show that you don't know the subject.
That's as always.
Russians are accending now in difference from you who decend and dissolate your society and your technologies as well.

 

[smestarz]

Thats true, after all France was one of the biggest slave traders,
They used to carry the Negros as slaves to American continent,
Good going france

Without French support, I doubt US would have even existed as an Independent country. Did you all forget the help France provided during US war for independence from Britain?

" After the Americans captured a British army, France recognized and allied itself with them in February 1778, declared war on Britain, provided money and matériel to arm the new republic, and sent an army to the United States. French intervention made a decisive contribution to the U.S. victory in the war. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War



It's a submarine. It HAS to sink, otherwise it's pretty useless.

 

[smestarz]

Then perhaps the French are the most certified idiots and Indians more corrupt
IAF insist that Tejas has an AESA but then when it was possible for Mirage 2000 to have an AESA they simply rolled over.. LOL talk about courage and corruption.. All corruption, no courage

It seems. A 9.7 tons engine is enough for. Ask HAL : they intend to put an AESA radar in a Tejas with 8tons of thrust.

 

[smestarz]

Japans plant did melt.. so are you now going to compare Russia and Japan?

At least our SSN and boomer doesn't sank.
At least our rocket Ariane 5 don't explode every two years.
Our nuclear plant doesn't meld.

 

[smestarz]

USA helped france a lot during WW1 some details for you
France had about 8 million in the war.. that is from 1914-1918 including about half a million from their colonies
Thus an average of 2 million a year.

The Americans entered the war in 1917, and in almost a year, they had 2 million soliders in France.
That is almost the same as France,,, and thats little? Since when is manpower of Few million soliders which at that time would be more than the French army (french army more than 4 million casualties)
The American contribution was huge for France specially since the fight was on for the very survival of France.

WW2.. need not remind you that the French had surrendered and the Americans and the british rescued it.

YES you fought Cambodia war alone,, what was the result? Thrown out? Why is that in 20th Century that France was beaten by everyone except the Italians?

The French lost cambodia, they lost vietnam, and the Americans supported the French, ultimately the French got out and it became American stupidity..

Try to search for real history, and not what they teach you in school to hide how incompetent french leadership was.. Do try to read about Dien Bien Phu when Vietnames beat the french.. by the way the french units there included the French foreign leigion which were among the defeated units..

USA help us slighly during WW1. And more heavily during WW2. Our real savior was USSR. Without USSR no landing in Normandie.

Vietnam? We loose the cambodge war alone. USA doens't help us. Unfortunately for them some years after.

France owes to USA ???? Stop drinking Bro

 

[gadeshi]

Japans plant did melt.. so are you now going to compare Russia and Japan?

And some words about atomic energetics
All the US, EU and Japan have Gen 2 reactor (water-water) or even G1 with reactor cooling open pool
Russians use G3 (metal-metal) with Kalium-Calzium or Plumbum-Wismouth active zone coolant that gives its heat to an isolated water.
And the most part - G4 reactors (BN-800 and BN-1200 fast neutrons based with MOKS and REMICS fuel cells) has started commercial usage in 2015.

The latter 2 are completely safe due to metals self-seal if reactor beaches.

So please continous to transmit rusophobic myths that are 15-25 years old.

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[smestarz]

We learn few good things if things are going well, we actually learn more with disasters
Due to Chernobyl and Japanese nuclear disasters world started taking the nuclear safety more seriously..
Becuase of the F-4 the Americans and world learned then that the A2A missiles were not that reliable and hence guns have to be retained on the plane... we still have guns on each fighter plane.
India took 3 decades to induct Tejas, what we learnt that its important to have project management in much better way and its going to be very difficult to develop a lot of new technolgies from scratch without previous experience to make a plane.
We understand the MMRCA Pilatus scorpene and few other deal had bribes.. so now to avoid it we go for G2G deals.This way we ensure that there are no middlemen required to facilitate the deal.

And some words about atomic energetics
All the US, EU and Japan have Gen 2 reactor (water-water) or even G1 with reactor cooling open pool
Russians use G3 (metal-metal) with Kalium-Calzium or Plumbum-Wismouth active zone coolant that gives its heat to an isolated water.
And the most part - G4 reactors (BN-800 and BN-1200 fast neutrons based with MOKS and REMICS fuel cells) has started commercial usage in 2015.

The latter 2 are completely safe due to metals self-seal if reactor beaches.

So please continous to transmit rusophobic myths that are 15-25 years old.

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[pmaitra]

Guys, please keep it cordial and avoid name calling. I keep repeating this from thread to thread.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

France Imposes New Conditions on Rafale Deal With India

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A Rafale multi-role combat aircraft from Dassault Aviation of France takes off at Yelahanka Air Force Station in Bangalore, India, on Feb. 18, 2015.

NEW DELHI — France has quietly insisted that an $8.9 billion government-to-government (G2G) deal with India be signed before a 50 percent offset deal for Rafale fighters is finalized, according to a French Embassy source in India.

"We have concluded multiple discussions with state-owned Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and other agencies to execute 30 percent offsets in India's ongoing and futuristic military aerospace programs, but no [offset] deal will be finalized until the final Rafale contract is signed," said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

As part of the Rafale deal, France has made a 30 percent offset commitment for military aerospace research and development programs and a 20 percent offset commitment for making components for Rafale fighters with domestic firms in India.

French defense companies Safran, Thales, MBDA and Dassault have also committed to proving stealth, radar, thrust vectoring for missiles technologies and materials for electronics to DRDO and domestic defense companies.

"We simply cannot make [Rafale] negotiations public", said an Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) procurement official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity.

As part of G2G discussions, France has also agreed to kick-start the unsuccessful Kaveri gas turbine jet engine for the homemade light combat aircraft Tejas.

Prakash Singh/AFP via Getty Images

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French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, left, and his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar show off the intergovernmental agreements for the purchase of 36 Rafale jet fighters at a joint news conference in New Delhi on Jan. 25, 2016. India and France have signed an agreement on the long-delayed purchase of 36 Rafale jet fighters but have yet to reach a deal on financial issues, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said that same day.

French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, left, and his Indian counterpart more

At present, the Kaveri engine lacks sufficient power thrust, efficiency and dependability.

An upgraded Kaveri engine with 90 kN thrust can be developed in two years' time with French cooperation, according to the French Embassy source.

Currently the Tejas is powered by a General Electric F404 engine.

"We have detailed discussions with the French teams to revive [the] Kaveri engine project and it is now for MoD to take a final call," according to a senior DRDO scientist, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Meanwhile, the MoD is yet to respond to the Indian Ministry of Law and Justice's findings on the Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) on the Rafale deal, the MoD defense procurement official said.

Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar had informed the parliament May 3 that the federal ministry had reviewed the IGA and that the findings would be taken into account when finalizing the deal.

And prior to that, Dassault chairman Eric Trappier said in an April 13 radio report that he expected a contract could be signed “in the next few days," adding: “I have high hopes this contract could be signed fairly quickly.”

The MoD procurement official said that no negotiations on the Rafale deal between France and India have taken place in more than six weeks, and the next meeting is yet to be scheduled.

In addition to 36 Rafale fighters, India is also buying Mica air-to-air missiles, Scalp air-to-ground missiles, Meteor beyond-visual-range missiles and precision-guided munitions at a cost of $1 billion for immediate requirements, and India is expected to order five years' maintenance and engineering support at a cost of $500 million.

 

[smestarz]

LOL does GoI really give a damn about this? Rather it shows that Dassault is not sure that the deal would be signed either

France Imposes New Conditions on Rafale Deal With India

Manjunath Kiran/AFP via Getty Images
A Rafale multi-role combat aircraft from Dassault Aviation of France takes off at Yelahanka Air Force Station in Bangalore, India, on Feb. 18, 2015.

Prakash Singh/AFP via Getty Images

Spoiler: More

French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, left, and his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar show off the intergovernmental agreements for the purchase of 36 Rafale jet fighters at a joint news conference in New Delhi on Jan. 25, 2016. India and France have signed an agreement on the long-delayed purchase of 36 Rafale jet fighters but have yet to reach a deal on financial issues, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said that same day.

 

[BON PLAN]

Radar type is not the point.
Russian NIIP has made AESA radar for Yak-130, but it does not mean that Yak-130 will be able to fire R-77-1 to its full range.

But RBE2AESA is able to fired Meteor at full range. so it can fired every R77 model also.

 

[BON PLAN]

Your Ariane has 1-2 launches a year at best case (which is fucking low and makes launch prices fucking high).

Ariane 5 : 6 success flights in 2014. 6 in 2015, 3 so far in 2016....

 

[BON PLAN]

You have no nuclear plants in numbers and they are constantly close

18 nuclear plants, for a total of more than 50 reactors.

all run largely more than 50% at every time (can't find the exact figure).