Know Your 'Rafale'

[SajeevJino]

SO , if the french airforce fly a fleet of rafales over syria , then russians will smuggle their su-30 MKis underground perhaps??
if so why are the french seeking prior permission to operate in syrian su-30 infested airspace?

Syrian sovereign is controlled by Russians now, any prior usage of their airspace must need Russian authorisation

 

[SajeevJino]

manohar Parrikar finally proved those air marshals are mere hot air marshals,

Most of these guys rely on the foolishness of tax paying public to push ultra exorbitantly priced few in number boys toys of a 4.5th gen planes into IAf and reduce it to a show case airforce, instead of packing it with cost effective already localized fighters like tejas & su-30 MKi.

And ideally wait for AMCA, FGFA 5th gen combo to spend one's hard earned money,

Its better we have to give the G suit to the Politicians to fly those jets and also give a mission to breach Pakistani airspace.

Nowadays Service persons loosing their credibility that Idiot politicians over ruling them

Parrikar is a shit

 

[SajeevJino]

IAF is now asking for MMRCA type plane , which again is a hogwash,

are they asking now, or from 1990s

because no MMRCA has enough range to fly beyond Tibet & post a significant threat to chinese strategic target, & for Pakistan tejas su-30 MKI combo itself is a huge overkill.

Can you tell me when will our Tejas will fire a BVR missile, is the data link between MKI and Tejas tested

So manohar parrikar-modi duo has wisely decided to limit rafale to a niche 36 number strategic roole & moved on to another twin engined or tejas mk1 -su-30 MKI combo for cost effective squadron numbers,

Yes we need all available aircraft in our arsenal, let's say variety of fighters all over from the world

Suck the trainings and commonality shit

 

[gadeshi]

SO , if the french airforce fly a fleet of rafales over syria , then russians will smuggle their su-30 MKis underground perhaps??
if so why are the french seeking prior permission to operate in syrian su-30 infested airspace?

There are Su-30SM there, which are rather more modern and capable than Su-30MKI.
And also Su-35S which sees Rafale from 400 km and tracks it from 350km.
Both are armed with 110km capable R-77-1 AMRAAMs, that can hit 12G target from 60 km.

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[BON PLAN]

On the other forum where you are the member, do ask Vstol Joakey about it, he will educate you fully about Su-30 MKI vs Rafale and with all limitations Su-30 MKI had specially with range of its long range missiles.
Do get educated please

I ASK YOU A PROOF !

Where is that Proof ? you speak, speak, speak..... always the same BS without any proof. As usual.

 

[BON PLAN]

Am not sure if they would allow this link here, but here is just summary, have a read there
http://*****************/threads/pak-fa-5th-generation-aircraft.851/page-232#post-471081
Thread PAKFA, Page 851
And in that exercise, the Su-30 MKI the simulated range of the R-77 missiles was vastly reduced than the actual range to equate with the lower range of the missiles carried by Rafale..
Link, proof.. done. now Dogmatix, back to your Rafale defence forum

No proof Bro. as usual. A liar and/or dreamer you are.

 

[BON PLAN]

And how exactly does being a Mechanical engineer relate to aeroplane design? Can you even design a car with that education?

How educate are you? are you able to do anything else than writing again and again same BS ? no link, no evidence, no proof.

Answer just to the question we ask you.

 

[BON PLAN]

Then imagine R-77E-1 performance and range 110 km)

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Just imagine Meteor.... what a 160 kg classical booster missile can do, a same weight stato missile increase it by 50%

 

[BON PLAN]

test pilots have flown both M2000 as well as Tejas and rate Teja much higher than Mirage 2000

Just one problem : Tejas is not induced yet. And is far from seeing fire.

It will come.... but this promise fall several times already.

 

[BON PLAN]

And also Su-35S which sees Rafale from 400 km and tracks it from 350km.

SU35 radar can see a 2m² target at 300-350km. And it's the radar supplier datas.... questionnable....
Rafale RCS is far far under 0,5 m²

 

[gadeshi]

Just imagine Meteor.... what a 160 kg classical booster missile can do, a same weight stato missile increase it by 50%

Not for EU products
Meteor has about 100km with stato, which is poor. And of course, stato decreases maneurability because high AOA maneuvers on such speeds cause destructive blowbacks in the intakes. Just draw supersonic chockwave cone tangentas on the Meteor intakes to figure this out.
That's why Russians and Americans rejected stato engines on their AMRAAMs and use it on AGMs only.

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[BON PLAN]

SO , if the french airforce fly a fleet of rafales over syria , then russians will smuggle their su-30 MKis underground perhaps??
if so why are the french seeking prior permission to operate in syrian su-30 infested airspace?

Deconfliction it is called.
Permission? we inform Russian so as to avoid problem. Do you think to fire SCALP cruise missile we even speak to Putin sbire?

 

[BON PLAN]

Not for EU products
Meteor has about 100km with stato, which is poor. And of course, stato decreases maneurability because high AOA maneuvers on such speeds cause destructive blowbacks in the intakes. Just draw supersonic chockwave cone tangentas on the Meteor intakes to figure this out.
That's why Russians and Americans rejected stato engines on their AMRAAMs and use it on AGMs only.

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Official data is 100km. Reality is far more, but classified. It's not important to give officialy the real range as EVERY BODY, even you, know a stato is far more efficient than a classical booster counterpart.
and probably this is 100km with a full pk.... You classical "rocket" AtoA missile can't have it.

 

[gadeshi]

SU35 radar can see a 2m² target at 300-350km. And it's the radar supplier datas.... questionnable....
Rafale RCS is far far under 0,5 m²

When Rafale is empty.
But with usual hell of pylons and drop tanks... No way. 5-15m2 is more sane depending on loadout.
And of course, those data is for N-035E Irbis-E export version. It is commonly known that Russians simplify and shorten export versions of their defence products by 15-25%.
But even 350km detect and 300 track is enough to make Rafale pilots to shit their pants full

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[BON PLAN]

And of course, stato decreases maneurability because high AOA maneuvers on such speeds cause destructive blowbacks in the intakes. Just draw supersonic chockwave cone tangentas on the Meteor intakes to figure this out.

That's why Meteor stato is a powder one : more easy to control.
And the maneuvers take place the last km. the 99 others km (and more...) are made quite straight.

and..... I know russia is studying a Stato R77.... but maybe you need some help?

 

[gadeshi]

Official data is 100km. Reality is far more, but classified. It's not important to give officialy the real range as EVERY BODY, even you, know a stato is far more efficient than a classical booster counterpart.
and probably this is 100km with a full pk.... You classical "rocket" AtoA missile can't have it.

Your blind religious fate into a stato suppremacy is rediculous. As well as your fairy tales about Meteor 100km official and "rather more classified" range. Why to classify a merchandise marketing values? Americans don't do this stupid shit, as Russians don't as well.
Any technical solution has advantages and drawbacks. Stato has more drawbacks than advantages when it comes to AAMs.
First of all it is effective when it works, but when not (75 to 90% of AAM flight time) it creates parasite drag and weight.
The second is maneurability restrictions due to air intake blowbacks on supersonic speeds.
MBDA has chosen stato because it failed to make adequate capable SRM. Russians and Americans have managed to do such and not to bother with air breathers.

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[BON PLAN]

When Rafale is empty.
But with usual hell of pylons and drop tanks... No way. 5-15m2 is more sane depending on loadout.
And of course, those data is for N-035E Irbis-E export version. It is commonly known that Russians simplify and shorten export versions of their defence products by 15-25%.
But even 350km detect and 300 track is enough to make Rafale pilots to shit their pants full

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5-15m² is the RCS of a B52 !!! or maybe of a SU27.

Don't dream.

 

[gadeshi]

5-15m² is the RCS of a B52 !!! or maybe of a SU27.

Don't dream.

What?!?
B-52 has some more than 50m when loaded.
External stores and pylons always eat all the RCS measures almost completely.

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[BON PLAN]

First of all it is effective when it works, but when not (75 to 90% of AAM flight time) it creates parasite drag and weight.

Meteor stato burnt all the flight ! It's the main difference with a classical missile where quite all the energy is given at the begining. And it's also why pk of Meteor is high even at high range, when pk of classical missile slow down with range.

 

[BON PLAN]

What?!?
B-52 has some more than 50m when loaded.
External stores and pylons always eat all the RCS measures almost completely.

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It's nearly 30 years B52 don't embark bombs and ALCM under wings.