Know Your 'Rafale'

[BON PLAN]

But then what you do not seem to understand is,,, no matter Gripen prototype crashed... they did make it operational and they exported it.. right? G8 how many planes operational? How many did france buy and use?

It was not YOUR question, and you never ask about operational or not.
Your question, hopening no answer, was "is Dassault studied swept wings". And, unfortunately for you the answer is YES and I prove it. End of the story S merde tarz

 

[BON PLAN]

Can you please check with wiki before posting random absurdly wrong data ... Not only two Gripen crashed during testing, but five in service crashed or were badly damaged at landing !

Il est grave le mec. .

 

[smestarz]

Can you please check with wiki before posting random absurdly wrong data ... Not only two Gripen crashed during testing, but five in service crashed or were badly damaged at landing !

The point that I am trying to make and which unfortunately the french cannot understand (seems like a national disease) is that
A) I do not care how many Gripens had accidents but SAAB and sweden had enough belief in them AND ARE OPERATIONAL..
B) The various planes Bon plan informed.. Balzac, Mirage III V... G8, they had accidents during testing,, fair, HOW MANY DID FRENCH BUILD AND INDUCT IN THEIR AIR FORCE?

The discussion was on basis of how Bon plan is saying that French tech is Superior, You never had an operational VTOL plane (took off and landed on carrier???) nor you had a variable geometry plane operational. The Soviets had variable Geometry planes operational and still in USE... What operational plane for Variable Geometry and VTOL can you show?

 

[smestarz]

It was not YOUR question, and you never ask about operational or not.
Your question, hopening no answer, was "is Dassault studied swept wings". And, unfortunately for you the answer is YES and I prove it. End of the story S merde tarz

Dear Frogs, there are many planes which America builds even hovering car that looks like a flying saucer, But then till the time its not operational, its just a prototype, One of the reason why prototype does not go into production is that The user has doubts about the technology...
By the answer you gave, the french are the most stupid people ever, they could have just used the circus cannon and put small man like you inside it, When the cannon is fired,,thats vertical take off, sure you can move your hands around, thats variable geometry, and then land by Gravity.. Vertical landing... It would have saved Dassault a lot of money...
Also the russians had Su-47 with forward swept wings, and they are not the first to do it, DARPA is doing since a long time. But we do not talk of it as the Russians said its Technology Demonstrator , its not operational..

 

[smestarz]

Can you please check with wiki before posting random absurdly wrong data ... Not only two Gripen crashed during testing, but five in service crashed or were badly damaged at landing !

You came in at the wrong time your friend was saying how "superior" french techi is, but then he was well informed that the French never had VTOL or Variable geometry plane.. and that the VTOL plane he was talking of BALZAC Crashed TWICE and klling the pilot each time, And any further tryst with the plane was cancelled.
Now your friend in order to be less embarrassed talked how Gripen crashed during its testing (this as you see was not what the original discussion was, your friend was just trying to take it in different direction) but then as I told you, I dont care how many Gripens crashed, SAAB and Sweden believed in it, and produced it, It is operational and being used by more than few users... The French planes on other hand.. are they operational?? Now you get the history?

 

[lookieloo]

So... How many pages back do I need to sift to see where the Rafal deal is? Did India actually buy it yet, or are they still just talking about it?

 

[smestarz]

So... How many pages back do I need to sift to see where the Rafal deal is? Did India actually buy it yet, or are they still just talking about it?

We are just probably few decades away for signing the deal. The french are saying in a week or so...
I believe it was same update a few years back too

 

[jackprince]

AH AH AH !!!!

In UAE and in Mali, sure Rafale are stored in conditionned Hangars ....

Sorry, I don't see them (the famous hangars) on the deck of Charles de Gaulle carrier.

Funny puppet you are.

Now that you shed your mask of an eggspurt, since anyone with even basic knowledge of military knows where the hangers of an aircraft careers are, which is never the deck, I would ask you to learn more before arguing.

 

[BON PLAN]

The point that I am trying to make and which unfortunately the french cannot understand (seems like a national disease) is that
A) I do not care how many Gripens had accidents but SAAB and sweden had enough belief in them AND ARE OPERATIONAL..
B) The various planes Bon plan informed.. Balzac, Mirage III V... G8, they had accidents during testing,, fair, HOW MANY DID FRENCH BUILD AND INDUCT IN THEIR AIR FORCE?

The discussion was on basis of how Bon plan is saying that French tech is Superior, You never had an operational VTOL plane (took off and landed on carrier???) nor you had a variable geometry plane operational. The Soviets had variable Geometry planes operational and still in USE... What operational plane for Variable Geometry and VTOL can you show?

I never say our tech is superior, I always say french tech match that of US or russia. But because we are a small country, we can't do everything (awacs ie) and can't have different programm on each segment (we would like to have a light fighter, a médium one and a heavy one, but we can't afford it. SO we chose a medium one, well studied to be completely versatile).

And froom a guy which last avatar was the photo of a SS officer, to receive lesson about knowledge is a little bit hard, my dear sausage eater.

 

[BON PLAN]

Now that you shed your mask of an eggspurt, since anyone with even basic knowledge of military knows where the hangers of an aircraft careers are, which is never the deck, I would ask you to learn more before arguing.

What are you saying Guy?
A best friend of mine if officer on the Charles de Gaulle. Every day Rafale are stored on the deck of the carrier, and not inside.

 

[smestarz]

I never say our tech is superior, I always say french tech match that of US or russia. But because we are a small country, we can't do everything (awacs ie) and can't have different programm on each segment (we would like to have a light fighter, a médium one and a heavy one, but we can't afford it. SO we chose a medium one, well studied to be completely versatile).

And froom a guy which last avatar was the photo of a SS officer, to receive lesson about knowledge is a little bit hard, my dear sausage eater.

You did brag that the French tech is "superior" and Russian is junk, and thats where the debate started,,,
I prefer eating sausages,, unlike some who eat frogs..

Well if you compare France to Israel, they have PHALCON, They made their own planes too, Kfir, and Lavi, and you remember why the Israelis went for Kfirs? because the french backed out.

I dont know why IAF nuts ad the Frogs are talking of Light medium and heavy ones? We are not sending planes for boxing match, The idea for plane is simple.. What roles it can handle, can it handle all the roles thats it.
Su-30 MKI can handle all the roles that Rafale does for France, and Su-30 MKI has better Range + payload.. and Rafale has smaller legs when it comes to Range and has to sacrifice payload.

You should really see the history of Eurocanards.. All wanted to do it together, but then Dassault felt sidelined and France too, so they opted for their own plane, But in a way good move, else Dassault would be one of the company involved in eurofighter and NOT THE MAIN ONE.

Last Avatar is Joachim Peiper, he was well known Commander of SS Liebstandarte.. which by the way over ran france in less than a month.. And this avatar is also the Insignia of 1 SS - Liebstandarte

So, maybe you really need to focus a bit more... Apparently the french do sort of make a plane, but then run out of ideas. Where as others seem to turn prototypes into operational planes.

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Patton? Not a good tank. Avery body knows that. Try another exemple please.

That you think today

At the time it was not thought of as a not a good tank

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Patton? Not a good tank. Avery body knows that. Try another exemple please.

How about India's use of small Russian missile boats on Karachi ?

 

[smestarz]

Israel spend 6% of budget in defense. France 2%.
Israel receive 4 billions par year from US for assistance. France not need ant not want it.

Do you want to have an info? Some pieces of the Lavi were made in Dassault Factory. II know that because i were there when produced !
And Lavi : 3 units made....
Lavi : Powerplant and FBW from USA....
Lavi : OHHHH strange.... it's a delta+ canard fighter....
Today the Lavi exist... on the Chineese F10 form !

Auf Wiedersehen Herr Sturmbann Fuhrer S merde tarz

What answer can we expect from ignorant Frogs.. Firstly USA has helped France in two wars..
During the WW2, the french were rolled up in a month. It was mainly the American force that Liberated france..

If you see the budget, Maybe france has bigger budget than Israel, but also Israel tends to export a lot more in terms of defence weapons, So, France is more budget in Value, but less in terms of percentage but israel exports more.

Israel did make Kfir when France backed out from Mirage III .. Do you know when Lavi was made? or you are going to google for it? By the way, Lavi was made BEFORE RAFALE, Thus in a way Israel made Canard plane and operational before France,,, maybe France copied the idea..

By the way, F-10 ??? Are you talking of J-10 ??

Thats the problem with French, you never know when you are beaten, Even you did not know the Germans were in Paris. You realised when you saw germans marching in the street/... that is just after you finished your lunch..

 

[smestarz]

What are you saying Guy?
A best friend of mine if officer on the Charles de Gaulle. Every day Rafale are stored on the deck of the carrier, and not inside.

Lol, and what is all the space below the deck for ? Of course for lunch and dinner ssitting in nice air conditioned room.. right? Strangely there are some rafales spoiling the scene in the "dinner room"

 

[BON PLAN]

That you think today

At the time it was not thought of as a not a good tank

armor not at top.
engine a little bit short (750 HP for 47 to 52 tons)
Very high, so "easily" trackable.

 

[BON PLAN]

How about India's use of small Russian missile boats on Karachi ?

First time I read something about that. So nothing to say.

And you?

 

[BON PLAN]

Lol, and what is all the space below the deck for ? Of course for lunch and dinner ssitting in nice air conditioned room.. right? Strangely there are some rafales spoiling the scene in the "dinner room"

You're a ignorant.
the Charles de Gaulle Carrier can't put under deck more than 18 Rafale and 2 E2C and 2/4 helo. All the rest is on the deck.

Sig !

 

[BON PLAN]

By the way, F-10 ??? Are you talking of J-10 ??

Of course. J10.

Lavi :

J10 :

Sorry,

First time you say something true...

 

[Tactical Frog]

What answer can we expect from ignorant Frogs.. Firstly USA has helped France in two wars..
During the WW2, the french were rolled up in a month. It was mainly the American force that Liberated france..

If you see the budget, Maybe france has bigger budget than Israel, but also Israel tends to export a lot more in terms of defence weapons, So, France is more budget in Value, but less in terms of percentage but israel exports more.

Israel did make Kfir when France backed out from Mirage III .. Do you know when Lavi was made? or you are going to google for it? By the way, Lavi was made BEFORE RAFALE, Thus in a way Israel made Canard plane and operational before France,,, maybe France copied the idea..

By the way, F-10 ??? Are you talking of J-10 ??

Thats the problem with French, you never know when you are beaten, Even you did not know the Germans were in Paris. You realised when you saw germans marching in the street/... that is just after you finished your lunch..

None of your drooling and raving about WWII has anything to do with the Rafale thread.
About Israel, I have a lot of respect for them , but they are not a competitor yet for Rafale or Scorpene subs ...
Last but not the least : we are not feeling beaten about Rafale deal.