Know Your 'Rafale'

[Immanuel]

Exactly .. $50 million Su 30 MKI service availability - 55%
$80 million Mirage 2000 service availabi - 80 %

that's the reason why IAF loves the western beauties

ahem ...how many here believe the 100% ToT of Su 30 MKI

You need to get your head out of the sand and stop quoting old figures, availability of the MKI is already around 65% and by end of year it will 80%, issues with the MKI are not really originating from Russia, the biggest hurdle to this problem has always been the IAF, they are the ones who didn't hold enough spares on hand. Secondly MOD is at fault for delaying setting up facilities. 90%+ of the MKI is made in India and disucssion are underway to also make the 332 Russian components in India, soon enough. Quit whining.

 

[Tactical Frog]

Don't have to be a Flanker basher, it has already run circles around all known prominent fighters like the Rafale/ EF. MKI is arguably the best fighter in Asia, hands down. Also the said MR SAM regiments are easy kills for Brahmos armed MKI.

The Rafale would smoke your SU 30 MKI fleet at safe range thanks to its RBE2. Just wait for your pilots judgment when they can run daily tests ;-)

 

[SajeevJino]

Are you sure Jag will be upgraded? old plane, with poor flying caracteristics (one of my friend was a jag pilot). OK for a new radar, it's quite easy to do. New engines? too costly and difficult to integrate (or you take the same ADOUR in a newer variant)..

India impressed with Jag's .. we are investing heavily. recently we added Harppon earlier CBU 105 .. in coming years AGM 88 .. currently Jag's in DARIN III modernization plan .. anyway we still negotiating with Honeywell for engines

LCA mk1A : 100 in 2022 ? JUST IMPOSSIBLE. not developped, and made by HAL, with is a turtoise. I'm ready to make a bet on that

SP start from 2018, India planning a twin production each can produce 12 to 14 per year

 

[SajeevJino]

Russian Bear and Indian Tiger get along very well, we strategic friends. You need to wake up and realize that most of the issues with spares, maintenance as far as India and Russia are concerned are due to inefficient MOD, IAF, Army and bureaucrats on the Russian side as well. The MKI's critical parts including radars and others will be made in India as well.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/14...ansfer_Under____Make_in_India___#.VtAoLzYVG0E

Stop blaming IAF and Army to save Russian a$$ .. you never know the Smerch and T 90 issue

 

[SajeevJino]

Don't have to be a Flanker basher, it has already run circles around all known prominent fighters like the Rafale/ EF. MKI is arguably the best fighter in Asia, hands down. Also the said MR SAM regiments are easy kills for Brahmos armed MKI.

can you tell me some air to air combat mission of Flanker .. or when did Flanker penetrated a contested airspace and drops bombs ..

In Asia the Singaporean and Saudi F 15 SE remains best, Flanker comes second

are you sure .. Jews made the MR SAM to kill Brahmos/Yakhnot/P800/Oniks/CX-01

 

[Immanuel]

Pig : one of the smartest mammals . Most pigs pass the mirror test. The Chinese have a year of a Pig too . You are insulting for no good reason one hundred of million of Chinese people.
AESA radar for Jaguar ? Nothing decided yet. No desion on engine upgrade either.
Jaguar , one of the best ground pounder in IAF inventory after upgrade ? Poor Indian airforce then ...

Read the article, EL-2052 for LCA deal was tied in with the Jag AESA deal as well. The Jag will carry the CBU-105SFW, one bomb can kill upto 40 ground targets. The Rafale is no where to be seen all of a sudden. The engine upgrade will improve its hot and high performance, increase its combat range and power by a good amount. Also the Jag will eventually get the Spice 250 while deploying the Spice Rack with 4 bombs each, hence between 8-16 such bombs can be carried for precise strikes.


Funny thing is the Jag is about to recieve a better AESA than on the Rafale

 

[SajeevJino]

Jaguar , one of the best ground pounder in IAF inventory after upgrade ? Poor Indian airforce then ...

yes along with Mirage .. and I sure some western analysts too confirmed that Jags are better than it's successor Tornado

 

[Tactical Frog]

Okay . I digged Sukhoi 30 MKI radar specs and it appeared that it had amazingly long range detection specs. Interesting match then !

 

[SajeevJino]

You need to get your head out of the sand and stop quoting old figures, availability of the MKI is already around 65% and by end of year it will 80%, issues with the MKI are not really originating from Russia, the biggest hurdle to this problem has always been the IAF, they are the ones who didn't hold enough spares on hand. Secondly MOD is at fault for delaying setting up facilities. 90%+ of the MKI is made in India and disucssion are underway to also make the 332 Russian components in India, soon enough. Quit whining.

can you provide any source of 80% service availability figure at the end of this year ..

so 10% of components are yet to be done in India .. then whom we have to blamed .. Russia or local manufacture ..

 

[SajeevJino]

The Rafale would smoke your SU 30 MKI fleet at safe range thanks to its RBE2. Just wait for your pilots judgment when they can run daily tests ;-)

Meteor plus RBE 2 AESA .. wins the race .. as I said manytimes ..who detects first and launch first gets the score ..!

 

[Immanuel]

can you tell me some air to air combat mission of Flanker .. or when did Flanker penetrated a contested airspace and drops bombs ..

In Asia the Singaporean and Saudi F 15 SE remains best, Flanker comes second

are you sure .. Jews made the MR SAM to kill Brahmos/Yakhnot/P800/Oniks/CX-01

Brahmos can't be stopped even by the MR-SAM, especially maneuvering at mach 3. Sing & Saudi F-15s are great fighters agreed but MKI is flown by better pilots hence arguably the best fighters in Asia.

 

[SajeevJino]

Brahmos can't be stopped even by the MR-SAM, especially maneuvering at mach 3.

that's till 2000 ...nowadays those SAM's are better developed they can take down Brahmos too .. Aster, ESSM, David sling and Barak 8 are good examples.

Sing & Saudi F-15s are great fighters agreed but MKI is flown by better pilots hence arguably the best fighters in Asia.

aren't we talking about better fighter jets... or Better Pilots

 

[BON PLAN]

Russian Bear and Indian Tiger get along very well, we strategic friends. You need to wake up and realize that most of the issues with spares, maintenance as far as India and Russia are concerned are due to inefficient MOD, IAF, Army and bureaucrats on the Russian side as well. The MKI's critical parts including radars and others will be made in India as well.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/14...ansfer_Under____Make_in_India___#.VtAoLzYVG0E

will be. In indian word it means all and its contrary.

Boeing canceled a contracct furniture of spares due to lack in quality. And I don't think it wass for high tech components. So before you can produce mono cristal blade or very sophisticated electronics cards, even russian ones, it will take some times.

 

[Immanuel]

can you provide any source of 80% service availability figure at the end of this year ..

so 10% of components are yet to be done in India .. then whom we have to blamed .. Russia or local manufacture ..

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ty-could-go-up-to-75/articleshow/50075387.cms

Agreements have been signed with Russia to have lower response times for spares requests and faster deliveries. Russia will guarantee upto 75% availability. Secondly the remaing 5% will come with IAF holding more spares on hands at various BRDs. The fact is, availability depends entirely on the cost. Guranteed availability rates above 75% are usually quite expensive and there was price haggling going on with Russia over this between 2013-2015 but finally another ROH facility came up at HAL and things are progressing. Also the IAF uses its MKI out to over 270-300 hrs a year, which is plenty of wear and tear on any aircraft.

332 components or LRUs are still made in Russia and they will soon be Made in India under TOT.

 

[BON PLAN]

HAL will deliver the 1st 20 LCA MK-1 by next year and by 2020 it will have delivered another squadron of 20 LCA MK-1A by 2020 i.e a total of 40 by 2020. With a production rate by then of 16 per year, it will deliver another 32 by 2022. Subsequently around 2020 another production line operated by HAL/another PVT player will start producing around 16-24 LCAs additionally a year, so by 2022-23, we can quite easily have 100 LCA fighters.

You're pulling my leg.:hippo:
Tejas mk1A next year? if ever, it will be a prototype, probably over weighted, without any arm system. Only a test bench. An aeroclub plane for rich people.
It takes time between a prototype, hand made, to an industrial product.

See quite all fighter makers : with an order today for a well defined plane, first deliveries after 3 or4 years. (with some exception : see Rafale for Egypte, but it's a special case on smaal nimber).

So HAL, with a fighter always on the drawing board is unable to deliver first industrial Tejas in 2020. And because it's HAL, say 2022 or 2024. There are too much exemples....

 

[Immanuel]

that's till 2000 ...nowadays those SAM's are better developed they can take down Brahmos too .. Aster, ESSM, David sling and Barak 8 are good examples.
aren't we talking about better fighter jets... or Better Pilots

Sorry but hogwash, its one thing to shoot down Cayote like simulated missiles and a whole different thing to shoot down a Brahmos launched in a LO-LO-LO trajectory with terminal maneuvers at mach 3. Dream on. Most ships can't pick it up in such a firing solution, flying around 5-10 m above surface.

The F-15s are great fighters and there is no doubt about it but the MKI in a pure fighter vs fighter scenario is a better fighter because it has the added advantage of being super maneuverable. F-15 is a better fighter bomber

 

[BON PLAN]

Brahmos can't be stopped even by the MR-SAM, especially maneuvering at mach 3. Sing & Saudi F-15s are great fighters agreed but MKI is flown by better pilots hence arguably the best fighters in Asia.

F15 electronic features are probably at the top. It's not piece of cake.

 

[Immanuel]

You're pulling my leg.:hippo:
Tejas mk1A next year? if ever, it will be a prototype, probably over weighted, without any arm system. Only a test bench. An aeroclub plane for rich people.
It takes time between a prototype, hand made, to an industrial product.

See quite all fighter makers : with an order today for a well defined plane, first deliveries after 3 or4 years. (with some exception : see Rafale for Egypte, but it's a special case on smaal nimber).

So HAL, with a fighter always on the drawing board is unable to deliver first industrial Tejas in 2020. And because it's HAL, say 2022 or 2024. There are too much exemples....

This is exactly why you are dim wit, I said LCA MK-1 asshole, READ!!! The MK-1A sqd will be delivered by 2020. Again, you little turd, the orders for 80 LCA MK-1A already done, as said before the AESA, podded EW suite and IFR will be a production fix on production fighters. They will drop the weight on the landing gear with the help of EADS.

 

[Immanuel]

F15 electronic features are probably at the top. It's not piece of cake.

No body said it was a piece of cake, its certainly a better aircraft than the Rafale.

 

[BON PLAN]

I'm I hearing Su 30 MKI service availability 80% end of this year ..!!

Time to leave earth

Probably another promise of HAL !

After all that time, seems some continue to think it's the truth.