Know Your 'Rafale'

[BON PLAN]

What the fuck are you on about little dip shite, why will Russia stop supply of spares, you're truly a retard. Most of MKI is made in India you little dim wit.

Until russia take crimea, all european country were in a full peace attitude ! (we even sell two war ships).
The russian bear is a wild animal. It change of humour so easily !

And most spare is not all spare. You don't made in india all engine parts for exemple. Sure some very hot crystal blades are not made in india. Sure some very complicated electronic devices for EW, BFW and radar are not made in india. Those are the critical parts.

In war time, in france for exemple, technicians are trained to repair planes with tin iron bottle ! but you can't replace a very dedicated integrated circuit by a hair frisor.

 

[BON PLAN]

So what if Rafale bombed a few tanks, Libya's air defences should hardly be an issue for the Rafale. Big fucking deal, fact is you French become more and more irrelevant in these times.

first you negate we came first without any support.

It doesn't work.

So now you say it was too easy to go. But if it was easy, why the others don't go first?

Bro, the truth was we came first, there were some SAM (ok, not as in north Korea or Syria before civil war) and those old tanks, without Rafale, made a butchery amoung civilian.

 

[BON PLAN]

Mirages: 50 units
Mig-29 UPG: Around 60
Mig-29K:45
LCA MK-1A: Around 100 by 2022
MKI: 220 in fleet with another 50 to be delivered and perhaps another 40 to be ordered total fleet around 300+
Jag: 120, to be upgarded to DARIN 3 standards including with Israeli AESA and hopefully uprated engines

Are you sure Jag will be upgraded? old plane, with poor flying caracteristics (one of my friend was a jag pilot). OK for a new radar, it's quite easy to do. New engines? too costly and difficult to integrate (or you take the same ADOUR in a newer variant).

LCA mk1A : 100 in 2022 ? JUST IMPOSSIBLE. not developped, and made by HAL, with is a turtoise. I'm ready to make a bet on that.

 

[Immanuel]

Until russia take crimea, all european country were in a full peace attitude ! (we even sell two war ships).
The russian bear is a wild animal. It change of humour so easily !

And most spare is not all spare. You don't made in india all engine parts for exemple. Sure some very hot crystal blades are not made in india. Sure some very complicated electronic devices for EW, BFW and radar are not made in india. Those are the critical parts.

In war time, in france for exemple, technicians are trained to repair planes with tin iron bottle ! but you can't replace a very dedicated integrated circuit by a hair frisor.

Russian Bear and Indian Tiger get along very well, we strategic friends. You need to wake up and realize that most of the issues with spares, maintenance as far as India and Russia are concerned are due to inefficient MOD, IAF, Army and bureaucrats on the Russian side as well. The MKI's critical parts including radars and others will be made in India as well.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/14...ansfer_Under____Make_in_India___#.VtAoLzYVG0E

 

[Tactical Frog]

Russian Bear and Indian Tiger get along very well, we strategic friends. You need to wake up and realize that most of the issues with spares, maintenance as far as India and Russia are concerned are due to inefficient MOD, IAF, Army and bureaucrats on the Russian side as well. The MKI's critical parts including radars and others will be made in India as well.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/14...ansfer_Under____Make_in_India___#.VtAoLzYVG0E

Your strategic friend is also selling SU 35 to China ! India could dream of better strategic friends than Russia and USA ... France, Israel , Japan a nice triad. But this being a Rafale thread , I am out of topic.

 

[Immanuel]

Are you sure Jag will be upgraded? old plane, with poor flying caracteristics (one of my friend was a jag pilot). OK for a new radar, it's quite easy to do. New engines? too costly and difficult to integrate (or you take the same ADOUR in a newer variant).

LCA mk1A : 100 in 2022 ? JUST IMPOSSIBLE. not developped, and made by HAL, with is a turtoise. I'm ready to make a bet on that.

http://www.janes.com/article/50698/india-s-jaguar-upgrade-hits-snag-over-engine-selection

Cost has nothing to do with Honeywell already demonstrated the F125IN engine in a drop-in fit and fly. Jag upgrade is a priority since we have a fleet of around 120 aircraft. It will recieve the same EL-2052 radar from Israel, making it one of the best ground pounders in the inventory.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...pproval-for-tejas-fighter-115102500749_1.html

HAL will deliver the 1st 20 LCA MK-1 by next year and by 2020 it will have delivered another squadron of 20 LCA MK-1A by 2020 i.e a total of 40 by 2020. With a production rate by then of 16 per year, it will deliver another 32 by 2022. Subsequently around 2020 another production line operated by HAL/another PVT player will start producing around 16-24 LCAs additionally a year, so by 2022-23, we can quite easily have 100 LCA fighters.

As for HAL, its doing as well as it can given the bastardly approach of the IAF all these yester years and being a MOD directed company, it's as efficient as the bureaucracy allows it. It's still a better company than Dassault which is run by pigs.

 

[Immanuel]

Your strategic friend is also selling SU 35 to China ! India could dream of better strategic friends than Russia and USA ... France, Israel , Japan a nice triad. But this being a Rafale thread , I am out of topic.

Well if the gates open France will be the first in the West to sell to China, for years France has been wanting to lift the ban of sale of weapons to China. It's ok, we can manage our own friendships thank you

 

[garg_bharat]

What the fuck are you on about, why will Russia stop supply of spares, you're truly a retard. Most of MKI is made in India you little dim wit.

We should not use abusive words.

Russia has stood by India through thick and thin. Russia was a friend when India had no money. We got most planes on easy ruble rupee credit.

 

[garg_bharat]

Your strategic friend is also selling SU 35 to China ! India could dream of better strategic friends than Russia and USA ... France, Israel , Japan a nice triad. But this being a Rafale thread , I am out of topic.

There is no reason for us to be worried. It is better they are getting Su35 and not F-22.

France supplies to both India and Pakistan.

 

[garg_bharat]

Some people think that French are unreasonable on Rafale deal and are making the negotiation very hard.

If French claim to be a friend, then that is not accepted behaviour.

 

[SajeevJino]

A fighter has to be seen from the perspective of how it performs in war.
By all accounts the Su-30 and Su-35 are doing well in Syria.

Those Su 30 and Su 35 is not doing magic than the SyAAF doing with MiG 23 and 21 since 2012..

We have no idea what France is doing in Syria, whatever it is, has no significant impact.

Advertising Rafale .. do you ever seen any pictures of Rafale's strike mission in Syria

The problem with France is that it has not carried out an independent campaign in ages, only as part of NATO. To think that French equipment is the best is hard to verify.

ever heard nations like Mali and Chad

Russian equipment has done well in South Asian wars.

well another Russian a$$ lover .. keep it

 

[SajeevJino]

Whats your problem asswipe?
As I said, I am against Rafale, and against more nos of any twin engined 4th Gen plane, as it will not bring any special capability that can overwhelm the enemy. We have Su-30 MKI. PLAAF has Su-30 MKK and Su-35 S in future, thus we cancel out.. So with China we cannot win the air war.
Rafale is easy thumped by Su-30 MKK and Su-35S. So waht we need is
Tejas to make up numbers and PAKFA to have that edge when meeting the chinese head on.

As for PAF. Su-30MKI are enough to handle entire PAF. Get the point? Or you still licking french butt when you see it?

I'm quite impressed, why still peoples think about do fighting and Ariel warfare .. we are in advanced generation .. One Regiment of MR SAM close to Arunachal vs one/two squad of Chinese Flanker

who wins .. !!

 

[SajeevJino]

IAF was interested in western beautes because the nice kickbacks that are possible. Its possible with Russians too, but then Russians wont give the price or the hi tech that India needs.
Su-30 MKI at US$ 50 milion without kickbacks
Rafale at almost US$ 400 million with kickbacks
is it value for money for india? NOT AT ALL

Exactly .. $50 million Su 30 MKI service availability - 55%
$80 million Mirage 2000 service availabi - 80 %

that's the reason why IAF loves the western beauties

ahem ...how many here believe the 100% ToT of Su 30 MKI

 

[SajeevJino]

I understand very well, thank you.
Just imagine : Russia, for a reason or another, stopped to send some key component for SU engine. In some weeks (or months...) you'll be in big trouble.
You are already very dependant on russia. For SU, for tanks.

It's why india will try to find another main battle fighter, not russian (may be not french also).

And please, stop to write "Rafail". don't be so litlle....

exactly ... !! The communists are known betrayers

 

[SajeevJino]

International politic seems very easy in your eyes....

Too easy I'm afraid.

Sanctioning Russia will cost EU and USA .. not Russia

according to Putin's mouthpiece Sputnik

 

[SajeevJino]

What does depending on Russia have to do with anything? The problems with MKI's maintence and spares were because of the IAF and partly the MOD, these are the folks who delayed setting up the MROs, holding enough spares at BRDs etc. Again, things of the past, MKI availability by end 2015 was already at over 65%, Q1 2016, they will achieve 70% by Q3 that figure will reach 80% and will remain constant during peacetime and by end of year, they will have the ability to have short bursts of 95% for just over 1 month and 90% for sustained bursts of around 2 months after more than enough.

For the rest these days, we have slowly moved away from just Russia, a lot of stuff our now comes from US/ Israel as well.

I'm I hearing Su 30 MKI service availability 80% end of this year ..!!

Time to leave earth

 

[Immanuel]

I'm quite impressed, why still peoples think about do fighting and Ariel warfare .. we are in advanced generation .. One Regiment of MR SAM close to Arunachal vs one/two squad of Chinese Flanker

who wins .. !!

Don't have to be a Flanker basher, it has already run circles around all known prominent fighters like the Rafale/ EF. MKI is arguably the best fighter in Asia, hands down. Also the said MR SAM regiments are easy kills for Brahmos armed MKI.

 

[Tactical Frog]

http://www.janes.com/article/50698/india-s-jaguar-upgrade-hits-snag-over-engine-selection

Cost has nothing to do with Honeywell already demonstrated the F125IN engine in a drop-in fit and fly. Jag upgrade is a priority since we have a fleet of around 120 aircraft. It will recieve the same EL-2052 radar from Israel, making it one of the best ground pounders in the inventory.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...pproval-for-tejas-fighter-115102500749_1.html

HAL will deliver the 1st 20 LCA MK-1 by next year and by 2020 it will have delivered another squadron of 20 LCA MK-1A by 2020 i.e a total of 40 by 2020. With a production rate by then of 16 per year, it will deliver another 32 by 2022. Subsequently around 2020 another production line operated by HAL/another PVT player will start producing around 16-24 LCAs additionally a year, so by 2022-23, we can quite easily have 100 LCA fighters.

As for HAL, its doing as well as it can given the bastardly approach of the IAF all these yester years and being a MOD directed company, it's as efficient as the bureaucracy allows it. It's still a better company than Dassault which is run by pigs.

Pig : one of the smartest mammals . Most pigs pass the mirror test. The Chinese have a year of a Pig too . You are insulting for no good reason one hundred of million of Chinese people.
AESA radar for Jaguar ? Nothing decided yet. No desion on engine upgrade either.
Jaguar , one of the best ground pounder in IAF inventory after upgrade ? Poor Indian airforce then ...

 

[SajeevJino]

What the fuck are you on about, why will Russia stop supply of spares, you're truly a retard. Most of MKI is made in India you little dim wit.

I once heard.. we are still negotiating with Russians for indigiousing 300 sub parts in India..

 

[SajeevJino]

And most spare is not all spare. You don't made in india all engine parts for exemple. Sure some very hot crystal blades are not made in india. Sure some very complicated electronic devices for EW, BFW and radar are not made in india. Those are the critical parts.

here in India, everyone thinks .. we are making all the above in India from raw material stage