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Wrong

Order more su30mki

40 more to be made in India by HAL &
,40 to be bought flyaway from Russia

80 du30mki & 120 tejas from HAL
Su30 is a russian plane. You already have 270 of it. You will to become "russian dependant" ! It's all an independant state doesn't want.
And it's not a Medium plane.

If Su was so formidable, why trying to order another plane until 5+ years ???
 

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Su30 is a russian plane. You already have 270 of it. You will to become "russian dependant" ! It's all an independant state doesn't want.
And it's not a Medium plane.

If Su was so formidable, why trying to order another plane until 5+ years ???

Iaf wanted mirage 2000

Single engined fighter not rafales

Medium.term was introduced to keep flanker derivatives out of the equation

Iaf wanted mrca not medium.mrca
 

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Iaf wanted mirage 2000

Single engined fighter not rafales

Medium.term was introduced to keep flanker derivatives out of the equation

Iaf wanted mrca not medium.mrca
Mirage 2000 was produced from 1983 to 2004 ..... largely enough time to order... After it's too late.

And among contenders of MMRCA, 2 were single engine....
 

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Su30 is a russian plane. You already have 270 of it. You will to become "russian dependant" ! It's all an independant state doesn't want.
And it's not a Medium plane.

If Su was so formidable, why trying to order another plane until 5+ years ???
I think you dont really understand much do you?
When we say "russian dependent" it means on planes and spares. Now India orders spares from Russia, also there are suppliers in Israel. So, India is not much russian depenedent for spares as it was before.
But in case of France since all is made in france, we end up being more France dependent for Rafales.
For Russian spares, there is already sources in Israel
 
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And why stop there? Expand the orders to another 200 or so. We will also scrap the LCA project and replace
everything with more MKIs.
scrap everything , make 42 squadron of Su 30 MKI, and save Putin's a$$ starving from western sanction
 

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what I heard last day from that IDRW

Reports are emerging in media that India may place orders for 40 more Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter jets with Russia, but well-informed sources close to idrw.org informed that it is actually Russia which is pursuing India for additional orders while Indian Air force Chief has made it clear that IAF is not interested in placing additional orders over 272 ordered.
http://idrw.org/russia-wants-india-...i-30-mki-but-indian-air-force-says-no-can-do/

I've to say one think .. It's clear IAF not interested more in Russian aircrafts , after they found the western beauties
 

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Russian plane in Syria take off from syrian bases !
Rafale from EAU, Charles de Gaulle carrier, and Mirage 2000 from Jordania. It change a lot no?
And russian, as during WW2 don't take care of civilian casualties : they fired all.
A fighter has to be seen from the perspective of how it performs in war.
By all accounts the Su-30 and Su-35 are doing well in Syria.

We have no idea what France is doing in Syria, whatever it is, has no significant impact.

The problem with France is that it has not carried out an independent campaign in ages, only as part of NATO. To think that French equipment is the best is hard to verify.

Russian equipment has done well in South Asian wars.
 

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I think the Indian government has clearly laid out the parameters for the Rafale purchase. It is up to France to accept it or reject it.

There is no scope of discussion.
 

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Bhai,

Tell that to smestarz.
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As I said, I am against Rafale, and against more nos of any twin engined 4th Gen plane, as it will not bring any special capability that can overwhelm the enemy. We have Su-30 MKI. PLAAF has Su-30 MKK and Su-35 S in future, thus we cancel out.. So with China we cannot win the air war.
Rafale is easy thumped by Su-30 MKK and Su-35S. So waht we need is
Tejas to make up numbers and PAKFA to have that edge when meeting the chinese head on.

As for PAF. Su-30MKI are enough to handle entire PAF. Get the point? Or you still licking french butt when you see it?
 
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what I heard last day from that IDRW



http://idrw.org/russia-wants-india-...i-30-mki-but-indian-air-force-says-no-can-do/

I've to say one think .. It's clear IAF not interested more in Russian aircrafts , after they found the western beauties
IAF was interested in western beautes because the nice kickbacks that are possible. Its possible with Russians too, but then Russians wont give the price or the hi tech that India needs.
Su-30 MKI at US$ 50 milion without kickbacks
Rafale at almost US$ 400 million with kickbacks
is it value for money for india? NOT AT ALL
 
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I think you dont really understand much do you?
When we say "russian dependent" it means on planes and spares. Now India orders spares from Russia, also there are suppliers in Israel. So, India is not much russian depenedent for spares as it was before.
But in case of France since all is made in france, we end up being more France dependent for Rafails.
For Russian spares, there is already sources in Israel
I understand very well, thank you.
Just imagine : Russia, for a reason or another, stopped to send some key component for SU engine. In some weeks (or months...) you'll be in big trouble.
You are already very dependant on russia. For SU, for tanks.

It's why india will try to find another main battle fighter, not russian (may be not french also).

And please, stop to write "Rafail". don't be so litlle....
 

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NO.
We canceled the Mistral deal to be fair with others european country, specially north east one (Poland....).
We can't see Russia supporting civilian war in Ukrainia and taking Crimea without reaction.
It was the political decision of our President. I was not for, but it is the real reason.

If en israeli's update of M2000 cost less, why dealing with Dassault? think a lot with your brain and not your d..k

Scorpene? The first boat is only on sea (and not Under) that you conclude lack of ToT.... It's at the end you can conclude. The first is always made with a great amount of supplier component, and after there is a transfer to local Producer.
But are the local Producers at the right level to made such high tech component? It's just a question. Remember Boeing cancelling a contract for spares for lack of quality.
I believe you need some english lessons, thinking with your brain isn't proving good for you, you look like more of a dumbass than ever. Secondly, all those feelings for Poland weren't apparent while signing the deal & all of a sudden you feel bad for them, Russia has always had plans to grab a lot of those areas, this is even older news. Fact is unkil made France sing like a canary.

Unfortunately Dassault has habit of paying off folks in the right places to get things done.

Scorpene delays with TOT and cost increases were hardly because of local suppliers, the issues were primarily because the French as always started getting greedy and asking for more money. Suppliers world over audited quite often specially at airframers and if Boeing cancelled a contract from an Indian vendor doesn't mean a door is closed for that vendor and having audited many a French, UK, German, US, Israeli vendors in the defence industry, I know for fact that often quality of parts from France are often the worst. Delivery performance has always been shoddy, quality often mediocre, efficiency is a term best not given to French vendors. Many private companies like L&T still supply to Boeing & Airbus etc.
 
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The problem with France is that it has not carried out an independent campaign in ages, only as part of NATO. To think that French equipment is the best is hard to verify.
You lack of memory Bro.
Mali for exemple. We do the job alone (just with the help of some NATO's tanker). With Rafale, with Tigre helo, with VBCI.... and with our blood and guts.
In Lybia we were first. With Rafale, Tigre, Mistral ships, carrier... And after, and only after, some others came, as GB, UAE, Qatar....
 

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I think the Indian government has clearly laid out the parameters for the Rafale purchase. It is up to France to accept it or reject it.

There is no scope of discussion.
Let's see.

There is always scope for dealing, until one side say "it's over". No one said that to date.
 

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