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i wud say buy the rafales..make iaf n reliance..in charge of building jets...this iaf design team can asist hal in making lca..and hal will learn to stand on its feet instead of living on doles of license production...and private players too will get involved..iaf ko bhi samaj aa jayega..what they actually need!
 

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Aviation week , july 7:






COURTESY-OLYBRIUS
THANK U FOR THE INFO MATE




New Avionics For Gripen, Typhoon And Rafale


Modernizing electronics is the most efficient way to upgrade a fighter design, and European governments and industry are investing in those areas to keep their programs competitive.

The most comprehensive fighter avionics program in Europe is the all-new sensor and processing suite for the Saab JAS 39E Gripen. Its main components are the Selex Raven ES"‘05 active, electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and Skyward-G infrared search and track (IRST) sensor (AW&ST March 17, p. 28) and Saab's all-new electronic warfare system (AW&ST May 26/June 2, p. 66), including AESA transmit/receive units using gallium-nitride (GaN) technology.

Selex asserts that its IRST technology—also used on Typhoon—has detected and tracked stealth aircraft and can do so at tactically useful ranges. The Raven radar will be the first operational AESA to use a "repositioner"—a rotating mount for the canted array, which provides a wider field of regard than a fixed AESA. The jamming system—which is regarded as a major technological advance and will not be fully installed before 2023—will be able to generate high-powered, agile jamming beams over a wide spectrum.

Saab also is building on its experience with datalinks to improve the already close connections that are possible within a flight of Gripens. This will include the ability of one aircraft to jam the target while the other tracks it, automated and unpredictable "hopping" of the radar transmission from one aircraft in the formation to another, and the use of multiple IRSTs for high-accuracy passive ranging and tracking.

France has also announced big investments for Rafale. Dassault has already inducted the first of the French Navy Rafale F1-standard aircraft to begin an upgrade to the latest service configuration, F3-04T, which includes the active, electronically scanned array (AESA) version of the RBE2 radar and the DDM-NG missile-warning system. The program goal is to retain all the aircraft in service through rolling upgrades, the company says.

The DDM-NG, part of the Thales/MBDA Spectra defensive avionics suite, comprises two imaging infra-red sensors located on either side of the fighter's fin-tip pod, each with a hemispherical field of view and jointly providing full spherical coverage other than the area blanked by the fighter's wing. Its ability to detect and track other targets, such as aircraft, is classified, according to Dassault.

In January, the French defense ministry awarded Dassault a contract for the next major Rafale upgrade, known as F3-R. It includes more powerful processors and upgrades to the Multi-functional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminal datalink and the automatic ground collision avoidance system.

For tactical and strategic reconnaissance missions, F3-R will include in-cockpit replay and analysis of imagery from the Thales Areos long-range oblique photography (Lorop) reconnaissance pod. The Rafale pilot or weapon system operator will be able to review imagery without interrupting the pod's collection process.

The upgrade will also see a series of improvements to Spectra. Developed by Thales and MBDA, Spectra is a fully automated system that provides electromagnetic detection, laser and missile warning, jamming and four chaff/flare dispensers. French industry sources say that during operations over Libya in 2011, Rafale literally disappeared from the radar screens of the Libyan air force, performing "soft kills" on enemy radar systems.

Bruno Carrara, director of the Rafale program at Thales, says the F3-R upgrade will involve a more advanced electromagnetic detection capability based on new digital wide-band-receiver technologies, improving the suite's spectrum analysis as well as its instantaneous interception capability.

Thales will also update Spectra's solid-state jamming subsystem, which was one of the first to use electronically steered phased-array antennas. Carrara says for F3R, Spectra will include more powerful antennas, while further increasing the power supply so that more threats can be jammed simultaneously. Like Saab, Thales will use GaN technology because of its power and efficiency.

Since the late 1990s, Spectra's designers have dropped hints that the system can perform "active cancellation"—receiving a radar signal and mimicking the aircraft's echo exactly one-half wavelength out of phase so the radar sees nothing. Carrara again implies that such a capability is in use: "There are other strategies, such as generating signals that will encompass or be higher than the echo from the aircraft, so that the radar threat will receive a signal that will mask the echo from the aircraft," Carrara says. "Instead of creating a false echo and drawing the radar to the wrong place, the idea is to produce a signal that will mask the echo of the aircraft, so the radar will be unable to detect the aircraft Spectra is protecting."


So far, the Eurofighter Typhoon appears to be running third in the AESA race. This summer, the last Tranche 2 aircraft will be completed. Its successor, Tranche 3 provisions Typhoon for the AESA and adds enhanced on-board computing and additional fiber-optic cabling and video capability. "But a blindfolded pilot getting in there won't even see an additional switch," says BAE's chief test pilot, Mark Bowman. "For a pilot jumping from a Tranche 2 to a Tranche 3 aircraft there is that high level of concurrency."

It is now a firm part of Royal Air Force planning that Tranche 1 -Typhoons will be retired in 2019. For Tranche 2 and 3 jets, though, the focus is on software upgrades. The Phase 1 Enhancements (P1E) program has been split into two parts—P1E-A and P1E-B. The P1E-A product provides the aircraft with a basic set of air-to-ground capabilities, which P1E-B builds on (for example, it is via P1E"‘B that Typhoon gains a full capability with the Paveway IV weapon).

"The software product isn't determined by whether it is a Tranche 2 or Tranche 3 aircraft," Bowman explains. "We've completed all the flying on P1E"‘A, which is in service with the RAF and the Royal Saudi Air Force. And we've finished the P1E-B product now and aircraft are entering into service ahead of the U.K.'s requirement of April 1, 2015. Next up is P2E (Phase 2 Enhancements), which brings significant differences in HMI (Human--Machine Interface) such as better integration of the helmet, and so on."

This supports the multirole capabilities of the aircraft. "One of Typhoon's benefits, and a discriminator over other platforms out there at the moment, is the fact it can do air-to-air and air-to-surface at the same time," Bowman continues. "Where P2 takes it is to build even more on those philosophies, and [provisions for] introduction of new weaponry."

New Avionics For Gripen, Typhoon And Rafale | Defense content from Aviation Week
 

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Farnborough 2014: Thales will present the successor of the Damocles pod Rafale


He was known as the Damocles NG or even PDL NG (laser designation pod new generation). Now, we should speak of Talios for "Targeting Long Range Identification Optronic System". This new designation pod, being developed by Thales, will be presented in detail next Tuesday (15 July 2014), during the Farnborough Airshow.

Its development is currently under a contract worth € 119 million reported last February by the DGA. Qualification of Talios is expected mid-2018, the Rafale F3-R standard.

Compared to the Damocles, the Talios will have a sensor in the visible band and infrared sensor with higher resolution, allowing better identification of targets by day and night. Externally, the Talios should have the same size and the same shape as the Damocles pod.

Thales has put online on its website the technical details of the nacelle Talios.

The current military planning law (LPM 2014 to 2019) provides for the purchase of a total of 19 pods Talios to the needs of French forces. This platform will also likely be offered for export.

https://translate.google.co.in/tran...r-de-la-nacelle-damocles-du-rafale&edit-text=

https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/fiches_talios-gb_sans_repere-hd_0.pdf
 

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The Internet shows that Alarm has been retired and a new missile called ARMAT will
take its place
 
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The reason I asked about MBDA ARM comparable to AGM HARM
is that Pakis are sure that they can lay their hands on HARM

Add to it the fact that HARM is Mach 2 whereas ARMAT is high subsonic - 0.9 Mach
 
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The reason I asked about MBDA ARM comparable to AGM HARM
is that Pakis are sure that they can lay their hands on HARM

Add to it the fact that HARM is Mach 2 whereas ARMAT is high subsonic - 0.9 Mach
ALARM is mach 2. As already mentioned ARMAT is from the '80s too. It is not a replacement for ALARM.

KH-31 does mach 4.5. It is highly likely we will be using the Krypton on Rafale. Newer variants are being developed and have more range than HARM, ALARM, ARMAT and others like the Paki MAR-1.

DRDO is also working on one. They say it is a liquid fueled system, so it is likely to be a RAMJET version like the Krypton.
 
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Keep hereing on this reports

let them first openly announce and go for sign-up agreement and photop moment till then all are speculation
These reports are nothing but figments of imagination by paid journos.
These reports keep appearing for the past two years.
But there is no budget allocation for MMRCA at least for the next seven months.

Remember as per MMRCA contracts a hefty advance amounts is needed to be paid within a few months of signing the contract.

So atleast for the next seven months there is no budgetary allocation for the advance amount.

http://idrw.org/?p=40336
http://idrw.org/?p=40326

As per the above report it is the first time that the IAf chief has said that any potential decrease in squadron numbers will be arrested by early induction of Rafale and tejas.

Notice the subtle difference to the former air chief's claim that there is no plan B if MMRCA fails to come in. So tejas is the plan B .

Also notice the urgency shown by the NDA govt on with regard to very critical submarine shortage faced by indian navy.

There are reports that the new govt is for speedy approval worth billions of dollars for fielding of 12 subs for indian Navy within a decade,

Unlike the navy IAF can count on tejas for squadron strength if MMRCA is delayed.

So we can see the priorities of the new government on what is the pressing requirements in defence modernization right now.
 
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Thales Launches New-generation Targeting Pod




Thales Optronique (Hall 4 Innovation Zone A1) unveiled its successor to the Damoclès targeting pod on the eve of the Farnborough show. The new sensor system, called "Talios," should be ready in time for deployment on a major new operational standard of the Dassault Rafale multi-role fighter that is due to enter service in 2018. A new-generation targeting pod, known as PDL-NG, has been one of the key elements associated with the Rafale's F3R upgrade standard. Development of PDL-NG started in 2009, with approval to proceed affirmed in January 2013. Funding has been approved for at least 19 pods for the French air force and navy.

The Rafale currently uses the Damoclès targeting pod, the performance specifications of which have fallen behind those of competing systems; it also lacks a daytime function. Talios addresses these deficiencies by introducing a higher resolution sensor for greater targeting accuracy, as well as a number of other features that allow it to be used for non-traditional ISR (intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance) tasks.

Drawing heavily on operational feedback, Talios has been developed to cover what Thales calls "the entire critical decision chain from intelligence-gathering to weapon delivery." Various air-to-ground functionalities allow it to conduct attacks in co-operative and autonomous modes, as well as to provide real-time reconnaissance capability through a data link. It can operate by day and night, and also provide air-to-air target identification and forward-looking navigation imagery.

Thales has created a user-friendly interface for the Talios, including picture-in-picture capability and intuitive symbology. It also has an advanced 3D geo-location and tracking capability. Talios is an open-architecture system that allows new features to be implemented, and is a "plug-and-play" system that can be easily integrated with a wide range of modern aircraft.
Thales Launches New-generation Targeting Pod | Aviation International News

New TALIOS Targeting pod will be presented at Farnborough

MISSIONS

Multifunction: from targeting to NTISR


Air-to-Ground
"¢ Compatible with laser guided weapons, INS/GPS guided missiles and imagery-guided weapons
"¢ Attacks in autonomous or cooperative mode, using integrated laser spot tracker and laser marker
"¢ Long range damage assessment capability
"¢ Target recognition capability
"¢ Positive identification in complex environment
"¢ 3D localization
"¢ Integrated navigation FLIR
"¢ Real-time data-link transmission
Reconnaissance
"¢ Medium range day/night small targets reconnaissance
Air-to-Air
"¢ Day/night visual airborne target identification
KEY FEATURES
"¢ A complete new modular design based on new technologies to allow implementation of additional features during the life cycle
"¢ HD sensors (IR and TV) with outstanding long range capabilities to strike from Close Air Support to stand off distances
"¢ Powerful laser provides the aircraft with both stand-off range and tactical capacity
"¢ Robust new generation tracking systems
"¢ Friendly user interface (flags, Picture in Picture, lethal and risk area indicator, enhanced symbology"¦)
"¢ On-line status and repair maintenance mode
TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS

Open architecture and a high level of functional integration.
All features embedded within the pod, no specific functions needed in the aircraft
IR Imagery
"¢ Continuous electronic zoom 4.8° to 0.12°
"¢ Spectral band: 3-5 μm
"¢ Field of View:
- Wide FoV: 4.8° x 3.6°
- Narrow FoV: 1° x 0.75°
TV Imagery
"¢ Continuous electronic zoom 4.8° to 0.06° (with PiP)
"¢ Spectral band: 0.7 – 0.9 μm
"¢ Field of View: 0.77° x 0.58°
Laser range-finding
"¢ Wavelength: 1.5 μm
"¢ Eye-safe
Laser designation
"¢ Wavelength: 1.06 μm
"¢ STANAG 3733
Laser spot tracker
"¢ Wavelength: 1.06 μm
Laser marker
"¢ Wavelength: 0.8 μm
https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/fiches_talios-gb_sans_repere-hd_0.pdf
 

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China will be simultaneously inducting J-20. if tejas is so underpowered, by the same logic rafale is a generation behind J-20.
Can IAF explain to people of india how does it expect to defend indian skies by using rafale against J-20?
Surely MOD is not simultaneously going to release 20 billion dollar for FGFA and another 20 billion dollar for FGFA.
SO instead of arresting the depleting squadron strength with more tejas mk-1s and mk-2s and trying to get FGFA to counter J-20, IAF is doing exactly the opposite. Tying the scarce resources with rafale.Why this shortsightedness?
 

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Why rafale is a Big Mistake- bharath karnad article in 25th july indian express a must read for people expecting IAF to bring home the trophy with rafale.


As per the article The cost of east rafale is expected to be above 209 million dollars per piece with short maintanence contract!!!!


Thts why it couldnot win a single contract from countries that have more GDP per capita than india like brazil, Canada, Norway, Netherlands, south korea, Singapore.


Uk is getting 5th gen F-35 vertical take off landing version at a much lower price of 165 million dollars per piece !!!!


An additional order of 50 or 60 Su-30 MKI with robust funding and expansion of production line and manpower in R&D, production makes rafale deal superfluous for IAF.


Rafale will add another logistics line for IAf at a prohibitive cost!!! Even the French airforce is cutting down rafale orders for its air force !!! and expects Indians to pick up the bill.


The deal is a financial disaster for IAF and sound the death knell for the indian mil aviation industry with useless order numbers for tejas mk2!!! On the same lines marut was retired with a token order number from IAF.


Arun jaitley taken aback by the cost of deal asked for numbers to be reduced to 80 and IAF accepted in a jiffy, showing that there is no deep strategic need for rafale!!!


the three tier ai force structure advocated by IAF(all of a sudden after 2004 when NDA govt opened up the straight 126 mirage-2000 request by IAF into MMRCA tender fearing corruption allegation!!!)


So there was no need for the three tier air force as late as 2004 and now all of a sudden we need a three tier airforce!!!


Rafale is nothing but a financial disaster waiting to happen to IAf which will drastically reduce IAF squadron strength (because we could induct 5 tejas mk-2 for th ost of each rafale!!!)


There is nothing that rafale can do on its own that can not be done by Tejas mk-2, Su-30 MKI and the future FGFA.


This is why indian weapons need reservation.because ten only proper and timely funding will be delivered to indigenous projects with full service backing . other wise the same Arjun vs T-90 and rafale vs tejas mk-2+Su-30 MKI saga will repeat again and again leading to fading away of any hope for indian mil aviation industry.

The civilians at the top never understand that all the so called deep TOT deals are mere humbug. because no one deliver their cutting edge techniques to the other guy for a few fighters more purchase. It is their IP right and they will never part with it.

Despite the deep TOT fo Su-30 MKI we are practically doing all the stuff for tejas mk-1 and mk-2 all by ourselves right from the nose cone to the sorting out the brakes issue.
 
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Consider the monies at stake. Let's
take the example of Brazil, our BRICS
partner. For 36 Rafales the acquisition
cost, according to Brazilian media, was
$8.2 billion plus an additional $4 billion
for short-period maintenance
contracts, amounting to nearly $340
million per aircraft in this package and
roughly $209 million as the price tag
for a single Rafale without
maintenance support. Brazil insisted
on transfer of technology (ToT) and
was told it had to pay a whole lot extra
for it, as also for the weapons for its
Rafales. But the Brazilian air force had
doubts about the quality of the AESA
(active electronically scanned array)
radar enabling the aircraft to switch
quickly from air-to-air to air-to-
ground mode in flight, and about the
helmet-mounted heads-up-display.
Too high a price and too many
problems convinced the government
of president Dilma Rousseff that the
Rafale was not worth the trouble or
the money and junked the deal, opting
for the Swedish Gripen NG instead.
During the Congress party's rule the
Indian government did not blink at the
prospective bill for the Rafale, which
more than doubled from $10 billion in
2009 to some $22 billion today, and
which figure realistically will exceed $
30 billion, or $238 million per aircraft,
at a minimum. But India, unbeknownst
to most of us, is apparently a terribly
rich country, with money to burn!
Meanwhile, the United Kingdom, an
apparently poorer state or at least one
more careful with its money, is
blanching at the $190 million price tag
for each of the 60 Lockheed F-35Bs
(vertical take-off, technologically
more complex, variant of the air force
model)—a full generation ahead of
the Rafale—ordered for the first of
the Royal Navy's Queen Elizabeth-
class 65,000-tonne aircraft carriers.
 

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I don't know how they quickly counting Numbers oh money.

all the above news is BS

if above true France has supa dupa GDP
 

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