Know Your 'Rafale'

[sukhish]

brazil to announce today about its decision to choose fighter aircraft. it seems SAAB is the front runner.

Brazil to Announce Fighter Jet Contract Results - Wall Street Journal - WSJ.com

looks like SAAB is the winner.

Brazil to award fighter jet deal to Saab -report | Reuters. formal announcement by 5:00 p.m brazil time.

 

[sukhish]

looks like SAAB is the winner.

Brazil to award fighter jet deal to Saab -report | Reuters. formal announcement by 5:00 p.m brazil time.

it's official SAAB wins in brazil.

 

[Iceman2012]

Sorry but can someone explain as to why the Brazil deal has an impact on our own Rafale deal when the Rafale was selected over an year back on technical (and other parameters) ???? New to the forum so please bear with my queries

 

[p2prada]

Sorry but can someone explain as to why the Brazil deal has an impact on our own Rafale deal when the Rafale was selected over an year back on technical (and other parameters) ???? New to the forum so please bear with my queries

MLUs would decrease in costs when more units are purchased by other countries. Rafale is an expensive aircraft, more than twice what MKI costs.

We want to use Rafales up to 2050, maybe more. MLU discussions may start 10 years after first induction, so that's around 2027-28, with first MLU aircraft ready in 15 years after first induction. Countries that go for Rafale today will become part of those MLUs in total so upgrade costs will be lower.

Brazil has a requirement for 36 jets now, but had options for as many as 100 more. So, it was supposed to be a big deal.

Of course, the article itself is in the wrong thread, if that's what you were referring to.

 

[sukhish]

MLUs would decrease in costs when more units are purchased by other countries. Rafale is an expensive aircraft, more than twice what MKI costs.

We want to use Rafales up to 2050, maybe more. MLU discussions may start 10 years after first induction, so that's around 2027-28, with first MLU aircraft ready in 15 years after first induction. Countries that go for Rafale today will become part of those MLUs in total so upgrade costs will be lower.

Brazil has a requirement for 36 jets now, but had options for as many as 100 more. So, it was supposed to be a big deal.

Of course, the article itself is in the wrong thread, if that's what you were referring to.

On the other hand, france will be more desperate now.

 

[p2prada]

On the other hand, france will be more desperate now.

Contract negotiations are almost done. There will be very little left to negotiate now. Dassault and partners will only be signing contracts with Indian manufacturers today.

 

[sukhish]

well may be we can ask them have a JV in engine design.

 

[p2prada]

well may be we can ask them have a JV in engine design.

Snecma was chosen to partner in engine technology through a tender, but the negotiations fell through and a new tender was put up in January.

This is the third time the tender was put up.

It is better to simply rope in Saturn and extend the FGFA partnership to a new engine program with Item 30 materials.

 

[sukhish]

france will get desperate now. rafale is not going to bag foreign orders until it closes deal with india, UAE is keenly watching india and
brazil has already rejected them. there is no other external customer they have.

 

[p2prada]

Wrong thread.

 

[halloweene]

never mind, UAE just refected Typhoon

 

[Defcon 1]

Hi, can anyone tell me when does the delivery of m88-3 engine starts? Also, are there any plans for developing higher thrust m88-4 sometime before 2020? Thanks.

 

[p2prada]

Hi, can anyone tell me when does the delivery of m88-3 engine starts? Also, are there any plans for developing higher thrust m88-4 sometime before 2020? Thanks.

M88-3 is the higher thrust engine (90KN class) and there are no real plans for inducting such an engine unless some foreign air force funds it. UAE seems to want a 90KN engine. IAF doesn't need it.

M88-4E is already operational on Rafale F2 and higher.

 

[Defcon 1]

M88-3 is the higher thrust engine (90KN class) and there are no real plans for inducting such an engine unless some foreign air force funds it. UAE seems to want a 90KN engine. IAF doesn't need it.

M88-4E is already operational on Rafale F2 and higher.

So no engine of m88 series will have a thrust higher than 90 kn. Thanks.

 

[Armand2REP]

So no engine of m88 series will have a thrust higher than 90 kn. Thanks.

Not so fast, UAE cancelled negotiations for EF so it looks like Rafale engine and radar upgrades will be funded.

 

[Defcon 1]

Not so fast, UAE cancelled negotiations for EF so it looks like Rafale engine and radar upgrades will be funded.

Can you tell me which version of the engine is supposed to have greater than 90 Kn thrust? Because if no one is even using 90, why will they go higher than 90?

 

[brahmastra11]

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Row over $15 billion defence dealGovernment gets cold feet over 15 billion dollar fighter jet deal for acquiring 126 figher aircraft for the Indian Airforce. Former Finance Minister Yashwant Sinha has sent a letter to Defence Minister AK Antony and Finance Minister P Chidamabram

 

[anoop_mig25]

TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Online TV News, News Videos and Current Affairs at Times Now


Row over $15 billion defence dealGovernment gets cold feet over 15 billion dollar fighter jet deal for acquiring 126 figher aircraft for the Indian Airforce. Former Finance Minister Yashwant Sinha has sent a letter to Defence Minister AK Antony and Finance Minister P Chidamabram

first they drag and then develop cold feet if anthony is clean they he must go ahed and sign the deal or else resign

It looks like fate of mmrca is sealed we are not going to sign it .become laughfing stock

and get ready for backdoor entry of some russian or american fighter palne

 

[cobra commando]

Dassault carrying out gap
analysis of HAL's capabilities


Dassault carrying out gap analysis of HAL's capabilities | idrw.org

 

[Deccani]

This deal would be very big for France and would be like France returning back to International arena but does all this would change the attitude of Europeans towards Indian nation for the whole ?