Know Your 'Rafale'

[Armand2REP]

Let me fire a MICA at ya.

There are a wide range of weapons to shoot...

 

[sathya]

take it easy... btw India will never opt for f35 with so many stings attached, as we ll have pakfa with more freedom

 

[Nagraj]

isn't 125 rounds a bit too low???

Intended for fighter aircraft such as the Dassault Rafale. It uses a new range of 30x150mm B ammunition in a variety of types. It has a muzzle velocity of 1025 m/s. A selectable rate of fire allowing cyclic rates of 300, 600, 1,500, or 2,500 rounds per minute. It can fire continuous bursts or controlled 0.5 or 1 second bursts. It carry 125 Rounds..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Only an idiot like you would open a tender, issue a RFP all over again to choose a 4 th gen aircraft. Or worse yet to choose one that lost to dassault. I had you and morons likewise in mind when I said I read comments advocating such.

Ever seen this, Or heard about it ?

F-35 is already Rejected By MOD..

 

[JayATL]

Ok Genius.
I am heartbroken that we don't have your wisdom guiding our Defence Acquisition decision makers.

btw: Do you have a flying F 35 yet? What's the timeline for Induction into the USAF? 2020? Ah, so sometime after we induct about 4 squadrons of FGFA's your bird may start flying? OK, great.

On what basis are you even dreaming about your FGFA being inducted on time? On the basis of Russian track whack record of inducting your AC or stellar supply chain management exhibited by the Russians? T 50 is where today , on it's 3rd prototype being developed vs. F35 where it is way ahead if the curve.

STOP derailing this thread because you want argue with me everytime i post , like a biatch in heat.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

isn't 125 rounds a bit too low???

Same goes for most aircraft, One shell is enough to make a Aircraft drop out of sky.

 

[JAISWAL]

half century of collaboration between India and Dessault
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[nrj]

I don't think Swiss orders matter anymore for Dassault now.

 

[Nagraj]

Anymore unnecessary name calling will be dealt with appropriately. I expect all such words to be edited out by the posters themselves.

My sympathies.
It's going to be long night for you.

 

[sayareakd]

some of the defence journalists must be making lot of money in this circus.

 

[Payeng]

livefist Livefist Blog
Sources: EADS seriously considering contesting #Rafale selection in #MMRCA. Not without a fight, apparently.
3mn ago

From:
Twitter

I didnt understand,can you please explain

 

[nrj]

F35 is not offered to India. Can we leave it out of MRCA tender ?

 

[Payeng]

livefist Livefist Blog
Sources: EADS seriously considering contesting #Rafale selection in #MMRCA. Not without a fight, apparently.
3mn ago

From:
Twitter

I didnt understand,can you please explain

 

[sathya]

JayATL i am sorry, i ll stay out of it..

USA didnt give UK tat much freedom what we lll get from pakfa..
i strongly favor cheap, effective US missiles over costly french one..

 

[trackwhack]

On what basis are you even dreaming about your FGFA being inducted on time? On the basis of Russian track whack record of inducting your AC or stellar supply chain management exhibited by the Russians? T 50 is where today , on it's 3rd prototype being developed vs. F35 where it is way ahead if the curve.

STOP derailing this thread because you want argue with me everytime i post , like a biatch in heat.

The JSF development contract was signed in November 1996. The PAKFA development decision was taken in 2002 and the equivalent of a contract was in 2004. Your response genius.

 

[nrj]

Its not going to be easy bargain for France though. Negotiations on price & offset commitments are pending.

 

[KS]

NOW, this article is saying that MoD / GoI might issue a second tendor for 80 more a/c.
I think they might be out of their mind for doing so.
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One of the sources said France's Rafale jet was the likely winner, adding that the defense ministry was now considering buying another 80 or so jets and could invite bidders excluded from the current process to take part

Hahaha...all welcome Eurofighter into Indian Air force.

Milk the western cow baby !.
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[sathya]

F35 is not offered to India. Can we leave it out of MRCA tender ?

Hilary clinton was say basic F35 would cost around 65 million $... i guess as an offer to India..

 

[Illusive]

Maybe the second tender might be for naval variant.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

UPDATE 4-French Rafale favoured for multi-billion dollar India jet deal
R_euters, Jan 31

* India's cabinet must sign off on deal
* Sale would be lifeline for struggling Rafale
* Defence ministry source: Rafale jet is cheaper, preferred

NEW DELHI, Jan 31 (*******) - France's Rafale emerged on Tuesday as preferred bidder in a $15 billion contest to supply India with 126 fighters, undercutting the rival Eurofighter Typhoon and boosting French hopes of a long-awaited first export contract for its premier combat jet.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy , who lags in opinion polls ahead of April elections, welcomed India's decision to enter exclusive talks with supplier Dassault Aviation and vowed to provide significant technology transfer as India expands its arms industry. "The realisation of the Rafale project shows the depth and breadth of the strategic partnership between France and India," Sarkozy said in a statement, while French officials avoided declaring outright victory after a series of false export hopes.

India has become the world's largest weapons importer as it seeks to upgrade its largely Soviet-era navy and air force to counter the rising might of China and threats from Pakistan.

"The Rafale gives a huge combat edge to our air force given the situation in our region," said former Indian air force chief Fali Homi Major.
"We cannot say what kind of conflict situation there would be in the region 20 years hence."

If it came off, the deal would be a major shot in the arm for Dassault, which has struggled to find a foreign buyer for the multi-role Rafale, billed as one of the most effective fighters in the world but also one of the most expensive.Shares in thinly traded stock of Dassault Aviation shot up 22 percent to a more than four-year high of 749 euros after the announcement, which appeared to raise the chances of the first export contract for the French multi-role combat jet.
However, India's Defence Minister A.K. Antony said earlier no deal would be signed before the end of March."It is a long process. The file has not come to my table," Antony said, adding that the finance ministry and then a cabinet panel headed by the prime minister had to look at any agreement.A French source close to the matter said the decision to enter fresh negotiations with lowest-bidder Dassault was a step forward but that no deal had been signed.
Defence analysts said the deal still needed to get through a potentially complex final stage of negotiations in which France's willingness to transfer know-how would be tested to the full.

LONG WAY TO GO

"This is not the end of the road by any stretch of the imagination. This is only the beginning of a second stage of this campaign," said veteran defence analyst Howard Wheeldon, senior strategist at BGC Partners brokerage in London.James Hardy, Asia Pacific specialist at IHS Jane's Defence Weekly said that wrangling over the deal could go on for years."Financial pressures on India's government could seriously complicate the chances of this being signed any time soon, in particular the depreciation of the rupee," he said. "That and the standard contractual wrangling that occurs during Indian procurement deals could cause delays stretching to years." Indian defence ministry sources said the life-time cost of the tender including training and maintenance could reach $15 billion, above previous estimates of around $11 billion. The sources said the Rafale was preferred because it cost about $5 million less per plane and the Indian airforce is familiar with French warplanes such as the Mirage."Unit-wise, the French plane is much cheaper than the Eurofighter. Moreover, the Indian airforce, which is well equipped with French fighters, is favouring the French," said the source, who asked not be named.
In 2011, Dassault won a $1.4 billion contract to upgrade India's Mirage fleet.In December, French Defence Minister Gerard Longuet warned that Dassault would stop production of the Rafale in 2021 if it did not win any export orders.A deal in the works since 2008 to sell 60 fighters to the United Arab Emirates hit a new snag last year when Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed called Dassault's terms "uncompetitive and unworkable".
The UAE has sought details of the Typhoon, built by the German and Spanish branches of EADS, Britain's BAE Systems and Italy's Finmeccanica.
Hardy said Dassault's pole position in India was a big blow for Eurofighter."The Typhoon was widely tipped to be the favourite and had major political support from the big beasts of the Eurofighter nations," he said. "Both Germany and the U.K. invested a lot of time in pushing the Typhoon so this will hurt."India rejected American, Russian and Swedish bids in April.