Know Your 'Rafale'

[halloweene]

Sorry if this has already been asked, but I was going through Rafale's wiki page and I need someone to differentiate between air-to-ground and air-to-surface missiles.

Air to surface include air to sea (in the case of Rafale)

 

[cloud_9]

India working on details as Rafale deal inches closer​

(Reuters) - India is ironing out contract details on a purchase of French Rafale fighter jets that has been under negotiation over the past year, Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid said during a visit to Paris on Thursday, suggesting that a deal could be close.

India chose Dassault Aviation's Rafale for a possible 126-plane order in January 2012 ahead of the competing Eurofighter Typhoon and started exclusive talks, lifting hopes in France of a sale that would restore the lustre of its aviation industry.

Khurshid - on his first visit to France where he will meet President Francois Hollande on Friday - said progress was being made on the deal, worth around $15 billion, but did not say when it could be signed nor what it would entail.

"We know a good French wine takes time to mature and so do good contracts," he told reporters. "Contract details are being worked out. A decision has already been taken."

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius also said the talks "were advancing well."

Asked about the status of the deal, a Dassault spokesman said the company remained positive.

"Relations between India and Dassault are solid and long-standing, we're confident," the spokesman said.

In December, Dassault Chief Executive Charles Edelstenne said he was "relatively optimistic" the deal would soon wrap up despite tough negotiations.

Hollande will visit the United Arab Emirates next week, and is also courting Brazil, as Paris strives to ink a first sale of Rafales, billed as some of the most effective fighter jets in the world but also among the most expensive.

Former President Nicolas Sarkozy took personal charge of trying to market Rafales abroad in 2007 after the embarrassing failure of a bid to sell $2 billion of the jets to Morocco.

India already owns more than 50 French Mirage jets as it seeks to upgrade its largely Soviet-era air force and navy.

 

[halloweene]

A question...

The Rafale for IAF will have Snecma M88-4E or M88-3D engines?

They will have M88-4E. M88-3D is a prototype

 

[SpArK]

The Areva nuke plant deal is linked with Rafale. Both parties must be working on some win-win agreement.


Also UAE has restarted Rafale talks.

 

[arnabmit]

So, no thrust vectoring?

They will have M88-4E. M88-3D is a prototype

 

[Drsomnath999]

F3.3 Rafale to be commissioned in the second quarter of 2013:

Change will include:
- Improved fire control for laser guided weapons.
- Fire control for GBU 12/22/24.
- Improved air to sea fire control.
- Improved Link 16.
Le Rafale au standard F3.3 mis en service au second trimestre 2013 - Le Journal de l'Aviation

 

[Armand2REP]

Rafale kicking Islamist ass over Mali

 

[Snuggy321]

Rafale kicking Islamist ass over Mali

another promotion campaign?

 

[SajeevJino]

another promotion campaign?

Yes they Looking for more Customers Especially the F 35 cancelled countries like Canada and Turkey and looking for New customers from Middle East Countries May be UAE admitted in Rafale

 

[Neil]

India could buy up to 189 French Rafale fighter jets: sources


India could buy up to 189 of the Rafale fighter jets currently being used by France to bomb Islamist militants in Mali, sources close to negotiations on the multi-billion dollar deal have told AFP.

The possibility of an additional 63 jets being added to an expected order for 126 was raised by India when Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid visited Paris last week, they said.

"There is an option for procurement of an additional 63 aircrafts subsequently for which a separate contract would need to be signed," a source said.
"Presently the contract under negotiation is for 126 aircraft but we are talking about the follow-up."

The Indian press has estimated the value of the deal for 126 Rafales at $12 billion (nine billion euros).

A 50 per cent increase in the number of planes ordered would take it to around $18 billion, in a huge boost for the French defence industry.

India selected French manufacturer Dassault Aviation as its preferred candidate to equip its air force with new fighter jets in January 2012.

Under the deal on the table, the first 18 Rafales would be built in France but the next 108 would be assembled in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.

"The first aircraft will be delivered three years after signature of the contract," the source added.


India could buy up to 189 French Rafale fighter jets: sources | idrw.org

 

[anoop_mig25]

India could buy up to 189 French Rafale fighter jets: sources


India could buy up to 189 of the Rafale fighter jets currently being used by France to bomb Islamist militants in Mali, sources close to negotiations on the multi-billion dollar deal have told AFP.

The possibility of an additional 63 jets being added to an expected order for 126 was raised by India when Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid visited Paris last week, they said.

"There is an option for procurement of an additional 63 aircrafts subsequently for which a separate contract would need to be signed," a source said.
"Presently the contract under negotiation is for 126 aircraft but we are talking about the follow-up."

The Indian press has estimated the value of the deal for 126 Rafales at $12 billion (nine billion euros).

A 50 per cent increase in the number of planes ordered would take it to around $18 billion, in a huge boost for the French defence industry.

India selected French manufacturer Dassault Aviation as its preferred candidate to equip its air force with new fighter jets in January 2012.

Under the deal on the table, the first 18 Rafales would be built in France but the next 108 would be assembled in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.

"The first aircraft will be delivered three years after signature of the contract," the source added.


India could buy up to 189 French Rafale fighter jets: sources | idrw.org

Well let them sign contract for first 126 and then they can go fro increases numbers

 

[Somreet Bhattacharya]

Well...that was in the pipeline...never thought they would exercise this option so early...wat about the wrangling that was going on with the price the birds...???is it solved?? Seems so...

 

[Defcon 1]

There is nothing new in the above news, everyone knows the option was already there. However, it will be atleast 2022 before 126 Rafales are inducted. Till then Tejas MK2 would be churning out of assembly line like anything. There would be no advantage in ordering more Rafales after that because the MMRCA program was basically started to meet our shortage or aircraft. By 2022 this shortage will have largely or wholly disappeared and if it exists, we can simply produce more LCAs. Also all the Technology that Rafale will bring will have already been given to us by Dassault. So, ordering more Rafales doesn't make any sense.

 

[Snuggy321]

There is nothing new in the above news, everyone knows the option was already there. However, it will be atleast 2022 before 126 Rafales are inducted. Till then Tejas MK2 would be churning out of assembly line like anything. There would be no advantage in ordering more Rafales after that because the MMRCA program was basically started to meet our shortage or aircraft. By 2022 this shortage will have largely or wholly disappeared and if it exists, we can simply produce more LCAs. Also all the Technology that Rafale will bring will have already been given to us by Dassault. So, ordering more Rafales doesn't make any sense.

IAF wont buy more than 40 MKII.

 

[Defcon 1]

IAF wont buy more than 40 MKII.

Source?

80 are planned.

 

[sathya]

India mulls huge increase in Rafale order, may buy up to 189 fighter jets - The Times of India

 

[Yusuf]

Well there goes all the thoughts about Rafale acquisition faltering. 63 more to come.

 

[sathya]

why should we exercise the additional option now itself?

anyway the additional order will be carried out only after the initial order.
i was thinking additional batch we could buy semi stealth version later. why thew hurry?

Lets wait and see,
whom the contract will favour---- DASSAULT, asking for more work share
or RELIANCE + HAL to kick start private industry?

i hope atleast one of the above is the basis, so that RAFALE will get inducted faster in IAF.

 

[Yusuf]

The Brits will be licking their wounds even more. Time to visit ARRSE

 

[SajeevJino]

May be the additional 63 will placed on the IAC 2 planned to Service by 2020