Know Your 'Rafale'

[Drsomnath999]

PLEASE NOTE; THIS ARTICLE IS FROM LATINA AERO MAGAZINE ,THE ARTICLE HAS FRENCH & IT'S TRANSLATED ENGLISH CONTENT .THE ARTICLE DEPICTS ABOUT LATEST DEVELOPMENT OF RAFALE F30-T4

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[Drsomnath999]

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[Agnostic_Indian]

if there was voting for No.1 rafale fan I would have voted for you, so much information good job doctor.

 

[Drsomnath999]

SHORT HIGHLIGHTS


1) rafale become the 1st european nation to have operational aesa radar

2) RBE 2 aesa radar is fully compatible with ramjet powered Metoer BVRAAm missile having world's longest no escape zone

3) RBE 2 aesa radar has twice the detection range compare to previous RBE pesa radar

4)RBE 2 aesa radar is SAR capable with impoved resistance against jamming

5)DDM -NG is capable of detecting any incoming missile from 360 & is characterized by 2 fish eye lenses & in future would be compatible directional based infra red counter measures (DIRCM)

6) for a CAP sortie rafale would be able to carry 2/4 meteor altogether with 4/6 mica missiles making it a formidable air superiority fighter

 

[Drsomnath999]

if there was voting for No.1 rafale fan I would have voted for you, so much information good job doctor.

thanks but i have reserved that position for only 1 person & u know who is that guy

MR dare

 

[gokussj9]

http://www.ipcs.org/pdf_file/issue/SR126-NSP-IndiaandtheRafale.pdf


I saw this report while searching for some information about Rafale. Though I am no expert, how credible is this
article as this author is simply bashing the Rafale Deal.

 

[gokussj9]

http://www.ipcs.org/pdf_file/issue/SR126-NSP-IndiaandtheRafale.pdf

I saw this report while searching for some information about Rafale. Though I am no expert, how credible is this
article as this author is simply bashing the Rafale Deal. The author say it is inferior to all J series aircrafts
Is it true? Any experts.

 

[kshkumsin]

rafale suited to our needs best as it is a true multirole plane.It was developed in france to replace all of their planes(super etard ,mirages etc)so it is the best deal.It is capable of simultaneously undertaking air supremacy, interdiction, reconnaissance, and the airborne nuclear deterrent missions.The best part is that it will soon have AESA Radar.These types of radar are the most modern and are a must for a futuristic plane.Typhoon is yet to have a AESA,and beleive me it will take a long time.
PICTURE: France accepts first AESA-equipped Rafale

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so dont pay attention to these news without a research,put them in toilet,and flush!!

 

[Kunal Biswas]

This is one of the butt-hurt reports from Euros, And there is a series of them ..

After Rafale Won :

1. Euro-fighter is Strong ( Didn't Work )
2. Lower the unit cost ( Didn't Work )
3. Poverty ( Didn't Work )
4. Foreign aid ( Didn't Work )

And there is a long list of articles regarding that ..

 

[kshkumsin]

 

[vishwaprasad]

In this article author is putting J-10 ahead of Rafale in superiority....shows the quality of his analysis.....

 

[Drsomnath999]

http://www.ipcs.org/pdf_file/issue/SR126-NSP-IndiaandtheRafale.pdf

I saw this report while searching for some information about Rafale. Though I am no expert, how credible is this
article as this author is simply bashing the Rafale Deal. The author say it is inferior to all J series aircrafts
Is it true? Any experts.

Dude !!!

the author really needs to read this thread if it wants to learn something about rafale

any ways if u are talking about any expert opinion .Well i wont say i am an expert but i feel it's my responsiblty to clear ur hallucination after reading such garbage articles

read this

Top 10 reasons why india did the right choice by slecting rafale as MMRCA winner

1.India got an operational ready platform which has tested & proven capabalities while EF 2000 typhoon was like a post dated cheque for india in which many
capabilties are going to be installed in remote future & also many system is going to be funded by
india if it inducts it like


*Captor E AESA radar in 2015.
*Operational AIr to ground launch capabilty of Air Launched Cruise Misilles around 2016
*Thrust vectoring nozzles


so who knows in future if there is any time warlike situation may erupt due to increasingly volatile & hostile neighbourhood of india unlike that before ,so it always better to have an operational ready platform.



2. India already has/going to have 2 air superiority fighters like Super SU 30mki & FGFA so it's better to have a fighter with good /proven air to ground capabilties & rafale is the best candidate for it.
Also in Air to Air warfare Rafale thanks to it's 5th gen SPECTRA EW suite, has the unique abilty of
Passive detection of aerial targets from greater distance than it's own aesa radar when it's target are in active mode (i.e radar turn on) & also it can cue it's air to air missile towards it's target with
the help of SPECTRA only without turning on it's own AESA radar for stealth reason .





3.India could now get all technological help from french for LCA mark2 / future fighters like AMCA in key departments

* KAVERI engine development with Scenema
* 5th gen Avionics/ EW suite (spectra) codevelopment with THALES
* Meteor missile development with MBDA & it could be used in development of Ramjet powered
ASTRA A-A missile
* AESA Radar development

4.India can now have the ability to arm twist france to veto /stop all
potential arms sales to PAKISTAN atleast similar platforms which they are selling to
INDIA.



5.EF2000 typhoon is a joint venture between 4 european countries out of which 2 are marred by economic crisis so it could be risky to invest in such joint venture project when u always have a risk of collapsing,
well Rafale is a single country project whom india has good relationship & has already
operated it's mirage fighters & satisfied with it.





6.India now have a much more deeper strategic relationship with france like russians,it can now
utilize it's relationship to get access in french Islands in the gulf region UAE & in african region like Djibouti to patrol the maritime area & protection of it's SHIPS & tankers from
pirates by basing it's naval ships in those islands .Also india now would have the
support & backing of another imporant powerful ally in future conflicts .

7.India could get secretly the technology of ASMP missile for INDIA's own Long
range Cruise missile programs through french as french cannot sell this weapon.
It could be a effective cruise missile like that of Brahmos but not codeveloped like it .

8.Rafale's excellent features which gives clear advantage compare to EF 2000 typhoon
i) Much advanced & sophisticated Avionics likes that RECCO NG reconnaise pod & ECM suites likes that of 5th GEN spectra Sytem
ii) Much better Air to air missile likes that MICA /meteor MISSILE even could be armed with foreign weapons
iii) 14 weapons hard points & more weapons payload carring capacity
iv) Tested & proven multi role fighter
v) More manuverabilty thanks to it's close coupled canards
vi) Operational ready AESA radar


9.India is going to get all F3 standard of RAFALE well india can also develop it further with French to F4 standard
which can have increased stealth features like
* Enclosed weapons pods
* more advanced avionics & EW warfare suite
* Less infra red sinature emitting a nine ton thrust version of the M88 engine.

10.French are more transparent & friendlier in transfer of all critical
technology & they dont attach any strings of condition while selling weapons & also they wont put sanctions in future unlike the EF 2000 partners countries which are more pro US .


CONCLUSION
So all in all india really made a wise decision of selecting Rafale as the winner of the 128 MMRCA jet contract & is a truly a complete & tested multirole fighter which fullfills india's all criteria & needs


IAF VISION 2020

and for EF 2000 typhoon's fanbouy's well it is just this for us now

if

 

[gokussj9]

Dude !!!

the author really needs to read this thread if it wants to learn something about rafale

any ways if u are talking about any expert opinion .Well i wont say i am an expert but i feel it's my responsiblty to clear ur hallucination after reading such garbage articles

read this

Top 10 reasons why india did the right choice by slecting rafale as MMRCA winner

1.India got an operational ready platform which has tested & proven capabalities while EF 2000 typhoon was like a post dated cheque for india in which many
capabilties are going to be installed in remote future & also many system is going to be funded by
india if it inducts it like


*Captor E AESA radar in 2015.
*Operational AIr to ground launch capabilty of Air Launched Cruise Misilles around 2016
*Thrust vectoring nozzles


so who knows in future if there is any time warlike situation may erupt due to increasingly volatile & hostile neighbourhood of india unlike that before ,so it always better to have an operational ready platform.



2. India already has/going to have 2 air superiority fighters like Super SU 30mki & FGFA so it's better to have a fighter with good /proven air to ground capabilties & rafale is the best candidate for it.
Also in Air to Air warfare Rafale thanks to it's 5th gen SPECTRA EW suite, has the unique abilty of
Passive detection of aerial targets from greater distance than it's own aesa radar when it's target are in active mode (i.e radar turn on) & also it can cue it's air to air missile towards it's target with
the help of SPECTRA only without turning on it's own AESA radar for stealth reason .





3.India could now get all technological help from french for LCA mark2 / future fighters like AMCA in key departments

* KAVERI engine development with Scenema
* 5th gen Avionics/ EW suite (spectra) codevelopment with THALES
* Meteor missile development with MBDA & it could be used in development of Ramjet powered
ASTRA A-A missile
* AESA Radar development

4.India can now have the ability to arm twist france to veto /stop all
potential arms sales to PAKISTAN atleast similar platforms which they are selling to
INDIA.



5.EF2000 typhoon is a joint venture between 4 european countries out of which 2 are marred by economic crisis so it could be risky to invest in such joint venture project when u always have a risk of collapsing,
well Rafale is a single country project whom india has good relationship & has already
operated it's mirage fighters & satisfied with it.





6.India now have a much more deeper strategic relationship with france like russians,it can now
utilize it's relationship to get access in french Islands in the gulf region UAE & in african region like Djibouti to patrol the maritime area & protection of it's SHIPS & tankers from
pirates by basing it's naval ships in those islands .Also india now would have the
support & backing of another imporant powerful ally in future conflicts .

7.India could get secretly the technology of ASMP missile for INDIA's own Long
range Cruise missile programs through french as french cannot sell this weapon.
It could be a effective cruise missile like that of Brahmos but not codeveloped like it .

8.Rafale's excellent features which gives clear advantage compare to EF 2000 typhoon
i) Much advanced & sophisticated Avionics likes that RECCO NG reconnaise pod & ECM suites likes that of 5th GEN spectra Sytem
ii) Much better Air to air missile likes that MICA /meteor MISSILE even could be armed with foreign weapons
iii) 14 weapons hard points & more weapons payload carring capacity
iv) Tested & proven multi role fighter
v) More manuverabilty thanks to it's close coupled canards
vi) Operational ready AESA radar


9.India is going to get all F3 standard of RAFALE well india can also develop it further with French to F4 standard
which can have increased stealth features like
* Enclosed weapons pods
* more advanced avionics & EW warfare suite
* Less infra red sinature emitting a nine ton thrust version of the M88 engine.

10.French are more transparent & friendlier in transfer of all critical
technology & they dont attach any strings of condition while selling weapons & also they wont put sanctions in future unlike the EF 2000 partners countries which are more pro US .


CONCLUSION
So all in all india really made a wise decision of selecting Rafale as the winner of the 128 MMRCA jet contract & is a truly a complete & tested multirole fighter which fullfills india's all criteria & needs


IAF VISION 2020

and for EF 2000 typhoon's fanbouy's well it is just this for us now

if

Thanks for the information. What about the fact that author of this report is saying all J-series are better than Rafale.

 

[Drsomnath999]

Thanks for the information. What about the fact that author of this report is saying all J-series are better than Rafale.

Dont listen to those kind of pathetic authors.
becoz

he is brainless

all j11 j15 & j16 are pirated flanker derivatives with some name sake indigenious systems.it is just more of a hype & nothing else .
It's chances of survival against meteor & MICA ir missiles are next to nil meanwhile Rafale thanks to it's SPECTRA & amazing manuveuabily can survive chinese SD-10 (A-Z) series bvraam missiles

I request stop stretching this issue any more as it is an info thread not any versus thread

REGARDS

 

[datguy79]

Sorry if this has already been asked, but I was going through Rafale's wiki page and I need someone to differentiate between air-to-ground and air-to-surface missiles.

 

[kshkumsin]

Sorry if this has already been asked, but I was going through Rafale's wiki page and I need someone to differentiate between air-to-ground and air-to-surface missiles.

both are same

 

[SajeevJino]

Lucky Boy

 

[Drsomnath999]

MMRCA project: Govt firm on HAL as lead integrator

The defence ministry has decided to remain firm on having Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) as the lead integrator for producing 108 medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) in the country, virtually turning down French firm Dassault Aviation's plea to play a bigger role in the multi-billion dollar project.

The ministry's stand in this regard has come after French firm Dassault, which has bagged the IAF deal for supplying 126 MMRCA, asked it to define the role of HAL in the project.

As per the tender, first 18 of the 126 aircraft are to be supplied by Rafale from its facilities and the rest 108 are to be license produced and integrated by the HAL at its facilities here.

If any company other than HAL is designated as the integrator, it would be deviation from the tender issued for the project and as per the defence procurement procedure, it will have to be approved by the defence acquisition council, defence ministry sources said.

In view of this, the ministry has decided that it will stick to the clauses of the tender issued in 2007, they said.

The ministry is expected to convey its decision on the issue to the company during the negotiations on the deal beginning next week.

The French company had told the ministry that if it is given the overall responsibility for the project, it should be given the freedom to decide on the proportion of work to be done by HAL and private companies in the programme

If the government had given a major role to the French firm in producing the aircraft in the country, it would have assigned a major share of work to an Indian defence company.

Soon after Dassault was declared as the lowest bidder for the MMRCA deal piping EAD's Eurofighter, it signed a MoU with a Reliance Industries Ltd. company for working together in the security sector.

It is currently negotiating the deal with the defence ministry and the IAF.
MMRCA project: Govt firm on HAL as lead integrator | idrw.org

 

[sasi]

The Indian defense ministry has decided to remain firm on having Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL)as the lead integrator for producing 108 medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) in India. In its decision, the Indian ministry waived concerns raised by program's prime contractor, the French Dassault Aviation company, about the feasibility of HAL ramping up production in India, to assemble 108 of the 126 aircraft to beordered under the MMRCA program. To be able to meet the IAF requirement for fighter planes, Dassault suggested to have more substantial part of the program.

The French company had told the ministry that if it is given the overall responsibilityfor the project, it should be given the freedom to decide on the proportion of work to be done by HAL and private companies in the program. If the government had given a major role to the French firm in producing the aircraft in the country, it would have assigned a major share of work to an Indian defence company. Soon after Dassault was declared as the lowest bidder for the MMRCA deal it signed a MoU with a Reliance Industries Ltd. company for working together in the security sector. It is currently negotiating the deal with the defence ministry and the IAF.
According to The Times of India , the ministry's stand in this regard has comeafter French firm Dassault asked it to define the role of HAL in the project. 'If anycompany other than HAL is designated as the integrator, it would be deviation from the tender issued for the project and as per the defence procurement procedure, it will have to be approved by the defence acquisition council,' defence ministry sources told the Times. In view of this, the ministry hasdecided that it will stick to the clauses of the tender issued in 2007, they said. The ministry is expected to convey its decision on the issue to the company during the negotiations on the deal beginning next week.

Despite French Pressure, HAL Remains India's Lead Integrator for the Rafale | Defense Update - Military Technology & Defense News
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Ambani expecting free lunch from Indian taxpayer's money?

 

[arnabmit]

A question...

The Rafale for IAF will have Snecma M88-4E or M88-3D engines?