Know Your 'Rafale'

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Yeah. Rafale is a 4.5th gen fighter. In BVR scenario, it stands little chance against F-22 type fighters.

After all Rafale is based on technology from the late 70s. Quite like how both Su-27 and F-15 are from the late 60s. You can easily realize how long gestation periods are in the defence industry.

Similarly, both PAKFA and F-22 are technology of the 90s. Luckily PAKFA has some ways to go before induction and will incorporate much more modern design solutions. J-20 may be in the same boat.

Rafale's avionics are first class though. Therein lies the difference. Current version of the F-22 is inferior in that respect.
 

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with this fall in value of the rupee, we wont sign the contract in near future
 

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Very nice updates.I think its a right option for India in comparison to other fighter planes.But price is a issue.
 

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Price will come down as it manufacture in India in such a huge number..
 

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USA can ill afford to LOOSE twice to Rafale

We can see US biggies like US defence secy ; Secy of State ; etc to make a dash to Brazil in the
near future to get this deal

US will put all sorts of sweetners for Brazil

India was basically WARY and suspicious of US " sanction loving " mentality

And add to it the things like EUMA and CISMOA Otherwise F 18 was not a bad plane
 
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Rafele has a strong possibility of winning Brazil MRCA. Brazil even had long
discussions with India about it. Obama has not been able to push one defense
deal thru.
 

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it's good if F-18 wins in brazil, India will get a good bargain from france. I know U.S is leaving nothing to chance for brazil deal and U.S will probably bag this deal. Indian decision is very good, french technology is very good and also F-18 has a 3,decade old airframe. what India wants from france is not aeroplane, but also manufacturing technologies of aircraft engine, such as the blade technology etc. this will give a much need short in the arm. with EURO declining, it is best to bargain from the french. also brazil economy is in dol drums, it has registered only 2.2% growth, so U.S has the best shot to provide brazil with their older frame.
 
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it's good if F-18 wins in brazil, India will get a good bargain from france. I know U.S is leaving nothing to chance for brazil deal and U.S will probably bag this deal. Indian decision is very good, french technology is very good and also F-18 has a 3,decade old airframe. what India wants from france is not aeroplane, but also manufacturing technologies of aircraft engine, such as the blade technology etc. this will give a much need short in the arm. with EURO declining, it is best to bargain from the french. also brazil economy is in dol drums, it has registered only 2.2% growth, so U.S has the best shot to provide brazil with their older frame.
Our current deal, will not be affected whether Brazil chooses Rafale or not.

What affects us if France sells more aircraft then the MLUs will get cheaper in the future.

So, a French win in Brazil and UAE will be good news, especially considering Brazil wants to partner with us in this case.
 

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Our deal is final, The problem with Brazil is the price the France selling India..

Low number of aircraft cost more to Brazil..
 

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Post F3O4T
No upgrades beyond F3O4T have been funded, and IGA Stéphane Reb, the Rafale program manager at the Direction Générale de l'Armement (DGA), the French Procurement Agency has pointed to the need for a roadmap going forward, implying that there isn't one at the moment.

Such a roadmap could include the integration of the laser-guided version of the Sagem Armement Air-Sol Modulaire (AASM), and of the 1,000-kg variant, and of a version with an upgraded IIR sensor with algorithms for naval targeting and moving target targeting while the MBDA Meteor will be integrated in 2018. The roadmap is expected to include the development and integration of new low collateral damage kinetic bombs; as well as the development and integration of a new, more powerful Thales laser designation pod (Damocles NG???). It would also cover OSF-NG, the adoption of additional modes for the Thales RBE2/AA AESA radar, upgrades to the Link 16 MIDS and electronic warfare improvements for Spectra, as well as a MODE 5 compliant IFF and SATCOM. Some sources suggest that the Reco-NG is expected to gain target extraction capabilities in the future.

Other elements have already been brought forward for earlier integration including GBU-49 EPW II and the Damocles XF LDP.

There have been suggestions that a suppression of enemy air defense (SEAD) capability could be added, together with electronic attack functions and perhaps a towed radar decoy, which is perceived as offering added protection albeit with some loss of maneuverability. Rafale already has a rudimentary SEAD capability with Spectra's geolocation capability and the AASM.

There are a number of ongoing DGA study plans (PEAs, or plan d'etudes amont) that will affect the Rafale.

These will be similar to the recent ECO and DASIGL PEAs, which resulted in the CGP pack for the M88-4E engine and the SBU-64 laser AASM respectively.

The MASTRID (Multicontext Airborne System for Targetting, Recognition and Identification) PEA is intended to allow SPECTRA to detect and locate targets with sufficient accuracy to allow an improved Damocles XF pod to be slewed onto it, and to thenm engage the target with an SBU-54 IIR AASM. with a new visible way with zoom and improved infrared module. The Damocles XF will offer a new data link and an enhanced identification system. XF is supposed to be avalaible in 2012, with Damocles NG following later.

A new digital HUD is being developed under the DETENAA (DÉveloppement de TEchnologies Nouvelles pour Avions d'Armes) PEA. This was demonstrated at the Paris Air Salon at Le Bourget in 2011.

The DEDIRA – (Demonstrateur de Discretion Rafale) PEA aims to
reduce Rafale's RCS with both passive and active measures, including an improved air intake design, NG RAM material, and a 'Stealth Cocoon' to allow semi-conformal weapons carriage.
In progress

The INCAS (INtegration de nouvelles CApacités a Spectra) PEA is intended to give SPECTRA improved detection and jamming, and will see GaN TR modules replacing GaaS modules in the RBE2 radar and SPECTRA. Work has been ongoing since 2009.

MLU
A major mid-life update (equivalent in scope to the F-16 MLU) is tentatively scheduled for around 2020-2025, when the aircraft will start running out of processing capability. The upgrade will improve stealth, survivability and capability, though no specific measures or features have yet been defined.

Rafale NG, F4 or MLU?

There could be RCS improvements, Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFTs), SATCOM, and a UCAV control system, as well as a new DIRCM compatible IR MAWS.

There could also be radar improvements – perhaps with extra conformal arrays for the AESA to increase the coverage in azimuth.

There is still no indication of a possible HMD.

There could be a new engine (the more powerful M88-3), and/or the incorporation of Thrust Vector Control.


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France hopes to close MMRCA deal by year end | idrw.org
Indian Air Force's single largest contract for 126 fighters is yet to be signed. The French embassy has said that they are hopeful that the contract to buy the French Rafale aircraft will be signed by the end of this year. French company Dassault Aviation was chosen to supply the 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) for the IAF for a deal worth approximately $18 billion. Rafale was declared the winner of a five-year long contest on 31 January 2012.


Presently the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and Dassault Aviation are engaged in the final negotiations of the deal. When this newspaper contacted Dassault Aviation, there was no response on the matter.

The French embassy told this newspaper, "Indian authorities and Dassault are currently negotiating and finalising all aspects of the Rafale contract in detail: technical definitions, terms and conditions, transfers of technologies and offsets. This discussion, which is complex by nature, is still going on. The final contract will comprise thousands of pages and everything has to be perfectly clear and defined before it is signed."

India is attempting offsets worth 50% of the deal, for the first time, which in itself is a complex procedure. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will build 108 out of the 126 planes with Dassault assistance, while 18 will be bought off-the-shelf.

France saw a change of guard last month when François Hollande took over as the new French President from Nicolas Sarkozy, about which the French embassy in India has said that the change of government in France will have no influence on the nature of Indo-French strategic relations and French commitment towards India. Being technical and non-political, the Rafale deal will not be influenced by the democratic changeover in France, the embassy added.

Former IAF chief S. Krishnaswamy told this newspaper, "There must be good reason for it to be delayed. There's no need to rush, as the deal is big and complex and little delays don't matter."

Defence Minister A.K Antony had ordered an inquiry into the entire deal after a Telugu Desam Party Rajya Sabha member wrote to Antony questioning the selection. Reddy had asked how Rafale became the lowest bidder and questioned its capabilities based on its performance in Libya, and also pointed out the fact that no country so far had bought it.

In March Antony confirmed that inquiry into the deal, based on the letter, was still on and that forward movement would be held off until the inquiry was complete.
 

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Day airbase Mont-de-Marsan Day airbase Mont-de-Marsan



An air show will be held from 14 to 17.30 during which the aircraft will succeed: Alphajet of the Patrouille de France, Rafale, Mirage 2000N, C135 tanker, or the Extra 330 aerobatic team, helicopters. Paratroopers of the Air Force and aircraft of the Army will also complement this table.

The middle of the aircraft is not limited to demonstrations in the air. 00 at 11 am, aircraft enthusiasts and new audiences will have the opportunity to admire many aircraft stationed, to attend police dog demonstrations and presentations of weapons systems, to participate in many fun booths or still playing aspiring pilots in simulators embarking aboard ... For the lucky, boarding a guaranteed first flight.

Before the opening festivities, a concert of music from the Air Force will be held Friday, June 1, 2012 to Marsan's cultural center in Saint-Pierre-du-Mont at 20:30. Free admission by reservation.

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Tiger, Tiger"¦







May 28 to June 8, 2012, the growl squads, wearing a tiger as its emblem, affects the air base in Norway Oerland hosting the NATO Tiger Meet 2012.


The fighter squadron and experiments 5/330 "Silver Coast" of the air base 118 of Mont-de-Marsan and the ground air defense squadron (EDSA) 1/950 "Crau" base Istres Air 125 reinforced by EDSA Avord, Luxeuil, Saint-Dizier and Mont-de-Marsan participate in this international exercise. A delegation from the Fighter Squadron (EC) 1/7 "Provence", managing the traditions of the SPA 162 "Tiger" since the dissolution of the EC 1/12 "Cambrai" is also there.

Air assets (fifty aircraft) are deployed on the airbase Oerland while the means-aircraft are stationed at the site of Hjerkinn. Thirteen nations were present for the 2012 year otanien (Germany, Belgium, USA, France, Hungary, Italy, Norway, Netherlands, Poland, Czech Republic, UK, Switzerland and Turkey).

The main objective of the exercise is to train crews in the preparation and execution of complex missions like COMAO (Combined Air Operations - Combined Air Operations), CAS (Close Air Support - close air support), or extraction of nationals by integrating special forces and means of CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue - Search and rescue in combat).

From a tactical level, the exercise is conducted in an international context and prepared jointly by all participating units. The scenarios cover all spectrums of the third dimension. Realistic and scalable, they are systematically associated with many threats to-air and air to ground. Working in joint patrols is preferred to improve interoperability between nations. Moreover, the interaction between air and ground platforms, thanks to the link 16 in particular, has systematically sought.

The complexity of these combat missions provide an opportunity to pilot the "Silver Coast" to draw many conclusions about the new capabilities provided by the Rafale F3 standard.

The device of air defense also benefits from aeronautical activities dense and the international context to train its personnel in a realistic setting. The NATO Tiger Meet 2012 EDSA offers the possibility to realize for the first time a connection link 11 B between a Norwegian and an automated tactical cell French.

The permanent exchange performed in English also bring added value to the 93 airmen indisputable (26 officers) of the French detachment.

The tradition is still required in this gathering otanien. This is despite the complexity of tasks performed. At the close of the event, an awards ceremony will reward the units that have distinguished themselves during this period.

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Enemy Brothers
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Since birth, both were scheduled to compete. The wrestling (commercial) which has now engaged the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale on the international scene has its roots in the early 80s, while Europe is seriously considering a joint development of a new multinational European fighter aircraft. France, United Kingdom and Germany are the main actors in a drama that will last many years. These last two countries, which have already collaborated in the Panavia consortium for the development of the Tornado are looking to replace a portion of their tactical fleet. For its part, France is trying, too, to have a fighter that can replace almost all of its combat aircraft. But from the beginning, the situation appears complex, whereas the English call for an air superiority aircraft class 11-12 tonnes, Paris argues for a device of only 9 tons. Moreover, the problems of industrial shares weigh down the prospects of cooperation including France, whose aeronautical companies ardently defend their plans to support the maintenance of their skills. In 1985, France announced it will develop alone its future combat aircraft. For their part, the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy and Spain will start the Eurofighter program. While France wants to start building a really multirole aircraft, the nations in the Eurofighter consortium finance the development of a superiority aircraft, designed for air to air combat. To date yet, the 'Typhoon has only very limited air-ground capabilities compared with the Rafale.

More thrust for the Typhoon

On paper, the Typhoon has some undeniable advantages: more powerful than M88, its two reactors give it a better weight/thrust than the Rafale. According to the Eurofighter pilots, this additional power would be particularly appreciable during simulated combat below 20,000 ft, where the density of air allows the engines to be fully expressed. In the battle beyond visual range (BVR), the Typhoon also has an greater "extension" than the Rafale. This is because of the the physical characteristics of the radar, which antenna "sees" futher than the RBE2-PESA, but also because of the dynamic performance of the American missile AIM-120 AMRAAM . Designed exclusively for medium-range interception, it certainly does not have the versatility of the Mica, but it is superior in terms of range. Facing a Rafale, these theoretical advantages, however, must be nuanced.
In BVR combat, although the lengthening of the radar and missiles of the Typhoon are superior, the french Rafale fighter's radar signature is, according to many pilots, much less important than the Eurofighter's one. It is therefore an asset. Even better: the sensors fusion which enjoys the Rafale is also a crucial advantage in BVR combat, because it offers the pilots a much better understanding of the tactical situation during combat, and this, 360 degrees around the aircraft.
Once the "merge" is reached (when BVR combat turns into short-range), the Rafale has still strong chances of victory against the Typhoon. In the opinion of French pilots who have confronted the European aircraft, it's above all the quality of the electric flight controls [FBW] of the French fighter who makes the difference. In dogfight, Rafale can quickly point its nose to the threat, while less degrading its energy than the Eurofighter does. And this partly because the maximum angle of attack of the Rafale is "clamped" around 300, which allows it to evolve in a controlled manner even at low speed.
This difference in terms of maneuverability is also illustrated by the position of the canard on the two planes: placed well in front of the fuselage on the Typhoon, they play the role of an additional control surface used to "steer" more quickly the nose of the plane to take the incidence.
Conversely, the Rafale ducks are located very near the delta wing and are used primarily to pick up the airflow to slow up the loss of lift on the wing, thus giving the pilot a full control of the aircraft at low speeds.

A first indisputable skirmish

The Armée de l' Air has been able to experience this superiority in dogfight in September 2009, during an exercise organized by the French and British headquarters, during a deployment on the Solenzara airbase in Corsica .
Few days , the EC-1/7 stands next with the Royal Air Force transformation squadron on typhoons. The English have thought of everything, and introduce to the French pilots the simulated engagement patterns they wish to practice facing the Rafale. The French pilots push back a smile: the conditions of the exercice are, on paper, custom-made for the Typhoons , they plan within visual range fights , 1 vs 1, under 20,000 ft and at 350 knots. Whatever. The 'Provence' squadron takes up the gauntlet ... The 2 planes take off, then meet up at 18 000 ft to start the exercise. The aircraft are flying on the same trajectory with about 2 km of lateral separation. "Turn Away" with this announcement, the pilots turn 45 ° outward, to move away from each other. A few seconds later, the "turn in" and the planes turn toward each other to meet face-to-face in the sky. Once both aircraft is within visual range , its the ultimate ad: "Fight's on!". The first skirmish is indisputable. It need less than 40 seconds and only 3 crossing for the Rafale pilot to have its gun in firing position. However, the pilots flying the two planes are far from beginners. While the English is considered a Typhoon specialist in air-to-air, the "Provence" pilot has also a solid experience in within visual range combat.

Nine wins, one defeat

This initial result is not a fluke: the two next passes end also to the advantage of the Rafale. In total, 4 different engagements will take place in Corsica, for a total of 9 wins against 1 defeat for the french fighter. A nice demonstration of force that inspires the pilots the following moral: without mastery, power is nothing ... It is however an area where the Typhoon is victorious: the one of exports. While the Rafale is still looking for a first client, the Typhoon has already been sold to Saudi Arabia and Austria, and remains opposed to the Rafale in Switzerland and India.


a typhoon in trouble

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End of the Novel
Correio Braziliense, June 8
President Rousseff wants to put an end to the novel about the purchase of new fighter aircraft for the Air Force (FAB) during the visit of the new French president, Francois Hollande, Brazil. The Air Force technical studies have been completed.

Estimated at $ 5 billion, the bid is disputed by the Rafale aircraft , from the French Dassault, F/A-18 Super Hornet from Boeing, Gripen NG, Saab's Swedish. Hollande come to Brazil for the Rio +20 in the next 20 days and should clarify the final proposal and the new conditions of France during private meeting with Dilma.

Regarding the situation of the FAB, the Air Force had to move from Boa Vista to Santa Cruz Air Base, the state capital, the squadrons of F-5M (high performance) and Super Tucano (low performance) that guard airspace for Rio +20, in a radius of 50 kilometers around the River Center in Jacarepagua. The group also employ four AMX fighters, two F-5 Tiger aircraft radars and the base itself.
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It is going to be so embarassing for Sarko when Hollande starts signing deal after deal. :fish:

 
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