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India to induct new combat jets from 2016
Published March 19, 2012
Come 2016 and India will start inducting the first of the 126 combat jets it is purchasing for nearly $20 billion, parliament was informed Monday. The first squadron of the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) will comprise 18 Rafale aircraft that will be purchased in a fly-away condition from French manufacturer Dassault Aviation. The remaining aircraft will be progressively manufactured in India byHindustan Aeronautics Limited, with the last of them being inducted before the end of 2023.
The Rafale was chosen after beating off stiff competition from five other aircraft.
"The first squadron of MMRCA consisting of 18 aircraft is expected to be inducted within three to four years of signing the contract," Antony told the Lok Sabha during question hour.
The deal is expected to be sealed before the end of 2012, as cost negotiations are on with Dassault Aviation.
India to induct new combat jets from 2016 | idrw.org
Published March 19, 2012
Come 2016 and India will start inducting the first of the 126 combat jets it is purchasing for nearly $20 billion, parliament was informed Monday. The first squadron of the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) will comprise 18 Rafale aircraft that will be purchased in a fly-away condition from French manufacturer Dassault Aviation. The remaining aircraft will be progressively manufactured in India byHindustan Aeronautics Limited, with the last of them being inducted before the end of 2023.
The Rafale was chosen after beating off stiff competition from five other aircraft.
"The first squadron of MMRCA consisting of 18 aircraft is expected to be inducted within three to four years of signing the contract," Antony told the Lok Sabha during question hour.
The deal is expected to be sealed before the end of 2012, as cost negotiations are on with Dassault Aviation.
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Arms suppliers cashing on offset clause face challenges
Published March 18, 2012
While the $10 billion order to French company Dassault to supply 126 fighter planes is expected to generate around $5 billion worth of business for Indian manufacturers under the offset clause, there are several challenges faced by the latter, participants at a seminar here Saturday said.
Defence offsets means compulsory local sourcing of components by the supplier of defence equipment.
"India need not be apologetic about its offset clause as some developed nations have stipulated 100 percent offset condition in their defence imports. However, there are several challenges before the Indian defence industry – Long term military needs are not known; valuing the offset contract; preference given to Indian defence PSUs; rigid tax regime are some of them," said Wing Commander D.K. Sharma of the Indian Air Force Maintenance Command at the seminar on 'Indigenisation and Offset Opportunities' (Indian Air Force-Industry Meet) organised by Confederation of Indian Industry (CII).
He said arriving at the value of the offset contract and the technology that is offered for local manufacturing is the weakest area for the Indian defence establishment.
"There is no representation of the private sector in the offset contract valuation group," Sharma remarked.
According to him, the fighter plane deal with Dassault is expected to be signed in 2013 and the delivery to start in 36 months/by March 2016. The whole contract will be executed by 2023.
Sharma said: "Representation of the private sector in the technical valuation of offset proposals would bring in transparency as to what we have and what we need. Dialogue with Dassault is a must and private sector can have a dialogue on its own with Dassault," he remarked.
Speaking about India's import dependence for military ware Rajinder Singh Bhatia, executive vice president and ceo (Defence and Aerospace), Bharat Forge Ltd said: "India is the only country where its industrial capability is not aligned with the defence capabilities whereas in all other countries it is not so."
Citing India's achievements in the nuclear and space fields, Bhatia said:
"Right from the day one, the government recognised these two sectors are of strategic importance and there was force self reliance due to technology denial regime."
Speaking about the legal challenges Vinod Surana, ceo, Surana and Surana International Attorneys said: "The offset contracts are complex and companies face issues in the areas of co-production, licensing, technology transfer, technical valuation and others."
He said the contracts should have suitable clauses where there is no domestic legislation covering certain issues and dispute resolution experts should be involved when the offset contract is being drafted.
Arms suppliers cashing on offset clause face challenges | idrw.org
Published March 18, 2012
While the $10 billion order to French company Dassault to supply 126 fighter planes is expected to generate around $5 billion worth of business for Indian manufacturers under the offset clause, there are several challenges faced by the latter, participants at a seminar here Saturday said.
Defence offsets means compulsory local sourcing of components by the supplier of defence equipment.
"India need not be apologetic about its offset clause as some developed nations have stipulated 100 percent offset condition in their defence imports. However, there are several challenges before the Indian defence industry – Long term military needs are not known; valuing the offset contract; preference given to Indian defence PSUs; rigid tax regime are some of them," said Wing Commander D.K. Sharma of the Indian Air Force Maintenance Command at the seminar on 'Indigenisation and Offset Opportunities' (Indian Air Force-Industry Meet) organised by Confederation of Indian Industry (CII).
He said arriving at the value of the offset contract and the technology that is offered for local manufacturing is the weakest area for the Indian defence establishment.
"There is no representation of the private sector in the offset contract valuation group," Sharma remarked.
According to him, the fighter plane deal with Dassault is expected to be signed in 2013 and the delivery to start in 36 months/by March 2016. The whole contract will be executed by 2023.
Sharma said: "Representation of the private sector in the technical valuation of offset proposals would bring in transparency as to what we have and what we need. Dialogue with Dassault is a must and private sector can have a dialogue on its own with Dassault," he remarked.
Speaking about India's import dependence for military ware Rajinder Singh Bhatia, executive vice president and ceo (Defence and Aerospace), Bharat Forge Ltd said: "India is the only country where its industrial capability is not aligned with the defence capabilities whereas in all other countries it is not so."
Citing India's achievements in the nuclear and space fields, Bhatia said:
"Right from the day one, the government recognised these two sectors are of strategic importance and there was force self reliance due to technology denial regime."
Speaking about the legal challenges Vinod Surana, ceo, Surana and Surana International Attorneys said: "The offset contracts are complex and companies face issues in the areas of co-production, licensing, technology transfer, technical valuation and others."
He said the contracts should have suitable clauses where there is no domestic legislation covering certain issues and dispute resolution experts should be involved when the offset contract is being drafted.
Arms suppliers cashing on offset clause face challenges | idrw.org
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Combat aircraft Rafale selection only beginning of the road
Published March 16, 2012
This is with reference to two articles — one by Kapil Kak, Air Vice Marshal (Retd) and additional director of the Centre for Air Power Studies Delhi and the other by Deba Mohanty, senior fellow in security studies at the Observer Research Foundation New Delhi with an overall title "The French Connection" published in the Age on Sunday on February 5, 2012 regarding the government's announcement on January 31, 2012 that it had selected the offer of the French company Aviation Marcell Dassaut fighter-bomber Rafale in the tender involving six bidders from various countries for the MMRCA contract.
As both authors state with appreciation, even the companies whose bids had been rejected have agreed that the 640 parametre-based technical evaluation of the six bids by the Air Force had been highly objective, professional and flawless. So had been the overall evaluation by the government. Both evaluations met all the provisions of the Defence Procur-ement Policy and procedure. However, to me, there still are some flaws which the government should have eliminated before having chosen and announced the Rafale. The first relates to getting the lowest possible life cycle costs for the entire "deal". The government has indicated that in the next six-nine months a "final" price would be arrived at for the overall contract. For that price to be really the lowest would have to involve arriving at "the best" prices for a number of elements and then a summation of all those elements.
The elements involved are: (a) the total price for the 18 aircraft to be purchased by the GOI/MOD in "fly away" condition; (b) detailed list and prices of spares supply; (c) scope and quantum of training of all types of personnel needed to operate and maintain those 18 aircrafts, as of the follow-on 108 to be manufactured at HAL based on transfer of technology not only from main/prime contractor AMD, but also from its specialised sub-system manufacturers from the French total aircraft integrator/manufacturer of the Rafale system — for that is what it is — a system and the price for such training; (d) scope and depth of TOT by Dassault to HAL right down to the most basic and generic components and materials e.g. a few rough castings and forgings for the air frame and the engines; and (e) likewise in regard to and the on-board the AESA Radar Avionics and Electronic Warfare equipments and all other electronics; (f) all other aircraft "systems" e.g. fly-by-wire control system (g) all weapon systems even if they were made by specialised French missile/bomb/machine gun and ammunition manufacturers; and (h) finally the computer software source codes of each and every computer software package in the aircraft along with their detailed itemised prices for each at the highest level of detail etc. should have been obtained by the Techno-Commercial Negotiating Final Choice Evaluating and Selecting Committee from both the finally shortlisted bidders — Dassalt and the EADS Consortium and thoroughly evaluated inter-se.
It is not clear from public domain information whether such and exhaustive exercise was/has been undertaken.
However, based on past experience and knowing how such Committees have worked in the past, it is unlikely to have been so undertaken in the present MMRCA. In fact, that such an inter-bidder competitive exercise covering (a) to (h) down to the above has in fact not been undertaken in the requisite detail so far is reflected in the repeated references, particularly in Mohanty's article which repeatedly refers to "final negotiations" with Dassault remaining to be done in the next six-nine months.
This in turn means that if in those negotiations, Dassault takes a rigid stand not to accept /agree to, what the GOI wants — be they technical, financial or contractual matters — the government would have little leverage on Dassault to bring them to heel because it is negotiating with a single bidder. However, perhaps such a detailed comparat-ive/multi-dimensional negotiation as outlined above has been done by the MOD in the (last) six months since the government announced Rafale (Dassault) and Euro fighter (EADS) as the final two shortlisted bidders. If that is indeed the case, Dassault should have accepted 98/99 per cent of the government's requirements on practically all counts.
But despite the above (hopefully) optimistic scenario, the following sentence in Mohanty's article does cause concern. Mohanty states that: It is still for the government ("still" word added by author) to specify certain critical technologies that it wants, negotiate hard and ensure compliance. These technologies are in as many as 10-12 areas (on the Rafale) including composite material based components and sub-units (in different parts of the aircraft), single crystal (engine) blade technology, complex software for simulating the performance of the entire aircraft as also of sections/sub units of it, the AESA (Airborne Electronic Scanning Array Antenna-based primary radar of the Rafale (the presence of which on the Rafale vis-a-vis the earlier technological generators mechanically scanning antenna of the Euro fighter, leaked-to-the media MOD reports argued was a major technological reason of our going in the Rafale.
"Leaving such technologically, financially and contractually criteria, up in the air and not being fully tied down before the government formally announced the Rafale selection is most unwise. Why? Because it leaves the government with no more negotiating leverage vis-Ã -vis the French, except the practically unthinkable step of cancelling the whole of the present MMRCA tenders and re-tendering — after 5 years of multifaceted work since the present tender was floated in 2007. All that will happen is that the MMRCA case will become another bitter experience in the numerous other major weapon systems involving initial finished supply of the system involved followed by TOT-based assembly-cum-later in-depth genuine manufacture.
Knowing it has been selected as the "won" contractor, the weapon system-cum-technology supplier just digs his toes in and refuses to given anything more to the government at this stage of the whole process even doing so is a mandatory condition of the original tender or Request for Proposal (RFP) — here of 2007. Such uncompromising intransigence in the MMRCA case would be 12 areas as referred to earlier.
However, in the present case, the fact that Rafale has not won any international/foreign orders at all, is contrariwise a major negotiating and decision-making weapon in the government of India's hands. Both AMD and the French government knowing that should the former not fully finalise and sign off with the MOD and HAL contracts fully acceptable to them, the GOI may cancel the whole MMRCA process a catastrophic step for both — AMD would have to close down and the French government face huge job losses and that too in an election year.
So, our Negotiating Team charged by the GOI and MOD to fully finalise and sign off the cluster of MMRCA-related agreements and contracts has an excellent opportunity to get for out country, the very best overall deal in all its respects. I can not conclude without drawing the attention of author of this article, Air Vice Marshall (Retd.) Kapil Kak, who has revealed his total lack of understanding of what "offsets" an MMRCA type contract really mean. He does so when he states that "the idea (of offsets) is that this contract should be the last ever import contract for a combat aircraft (in our country).
Firstly, the MMRCA contract is not an "import contract" — only 18 of the total number of 126 aircraft covered by the contract are to be in readily and fully "fly away" condition on Contract Signing. The remaining 108 — the vast bulk — are to be initially assembled and then genuinely manufactured in-depth here, using technology transferred by AMD and other involved French companies to HAL and a similar set of counterpart Indian companies.
Secondly, considerable "residual import content" by way of assemblies, sub-assemblies, components and raw material" would have to be continued to be imported during the aircraft's "phased manufacturing programme". But this would be the case with locally designed and developed Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft at one end, and the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft, Sukhoi-50 at the other end. The Su-50 is to be jointly developed on an Indo-Russian Cooperation basis.
For such development and production of the Su-50, a slew of inter-governmental agreement and inter-company contracts were signed in the last two years. Also, active technical work on the ground by both Indian and Russian specialist teams are currently underway.
The writer is former secretary to Government of India in various scientific departments and science adviser to late Prime Minister Indira Gandhi
Combat aircraft Rafale selection only beginning of the road | idrw.org
Published March 16, 2012
This is with reference to two articles — one by Kapil Kak, Air Vice Marshal (Retd) and additional director of the Centre for Air Power Studies Delhi and the other by Deba Mohanty, senior fellow in security studies at the Observer Research Foundation New Delhi with an overall title "The French Connection" published in the Age on Sunday on February 5, 2012 regarding the government's announcement on January 31, 2012 that it had selected the offer of the French company Aviation Marcell Dassaut fighter-bomber Rafale in the tender involving six bidders from various countries for the MMRCA contract.
As both authors state with appreciation, even the companies whose bids had been rejected have agreed that the 640 parametre-based technical evaluation of the six bids by the Air Force had been highly objective, professional and flawless. So had been the overall evaluation by the government. Both evaluations met all the provisions of the Defence Procur-ement Policy and procedure. However, to me, there still are some flaws which the government should have eliminated before having chosen and announced the Rafale. The first relates to getting the lowest possible life cycle costs for the entire "deal". The government has indicated that in the next six-nine months a "final" price would be arrived at for the overall contract. For that price to be really the lowest would have to involve arriving at "the best" prices for a number of elements and then a summation of all those elements.
The elements involved are: (a) the total price for the 18 aircraft to be purchased by the GOI/MOD in "fly away" condition; (b) detailed list and prices of spares supply; (c) scope and quantum of training of all types of personnel needed to operate and maintain those 18 aircrafts, as of the follow-on 108 to be manufactured at HAL based on transfer of technology not only from main/prime contractor AMD, but also from its specialised sub-system manufacturers from the French total aircraft integrator/manufacturer of the Rafale system — for that is what it is — a system and the price for such training; (d) scope and depth of TOT by Dassault to HAL right down to the most basic and generic components and materials e.g. a few rough castings and forgings for the air frame and the engines; and (e) likewise in regard to and the on-board the AESA Radar Avionics and Electronic Warfare equipments and all other electronics; (f) all other aircraft "systems" e.g. fly-by-wire control system (g) all weapon systems even if they were made by specialised French missile/bomb/machine gun and ammunition manufacturers; and (h) finally the computer software source codes of each and every computer software package in the aircraft along with their detailed itemised prices for each at the highest level of detail etc. should have been obtained by the Techno-Commercial Negotiating Final Choice Evaluating and Selecting Committee from both the finally shortlisted bidders — Dassalt and the EADS Consortium and thoroughly evaluated inter-se.
It is not clear from public domain information whether such and exhaustive exercise was/has been undertaken.
However, based on past experience and knowing how such Committees have worked in the past, it is unlikely to have been so undertaken in the present MMRCA. In fact, that such an inter-bidder competitive exercise covering (a) to (h) down to the above has in fact not been undertaken in the requisite detail so far is reflected in the repeated references, particularly in Mohanty's article which repeatedly refers to "final negotiations" with Dassault remaining to be done in the next six-nine months.
This in turn means that if in those negotiations, Dassault takes a rigid stand not to accept /agree to, what the GOI wants — be they technical, financial or contractual matters — the government would have little leverage on Dassault to bring them to heel because it is negotiating with a single bidder. However, perhaps such a detailed comparat-ive/multi-dimensional negotiation as outlined above has been done by the MOD in the (last) six months since the government announced Rafale (Dassault) and Euro fighter (EADS) as the final two shortlisted bidders. If that is indeed the case, Dassault should have accepted 98/99 per cent of the government's requirements on practically all counts.
But despite the above (hopefully) optimistic scenario, the following sentence in Mohanty's article does cause concern. Mohanty states that: It is still for the government ("still" word added by author) to specify certain critical technologies that it wants, negotiate hard and ensure compliance. These technologies are in as many as 10-12 areas (on the Rafale) including composite material based components and sub-units (in different parts of the aircraft), single crystal (engine) blade technology, complex software for simulating the performance of the entire aircraft as also of sections/sub units of it, the AESA (Airborne Electronic Scanning Array Antenna-based primary radar of the Rafale (the presence of which on the Rafale vis-a-vis the earlier technological generators mechanically scanning antenna of the Euro fighter, leaked-to-the media MOD reports argued was a major technological reason of our going in the Rafale.
"Leaving such technologically, financially and contractually criteria, up in the air and not being fully tied down before the government formally announced the Rafale selection is most unwise. Why? Because it leaves the government with no more negotiating leverage vis-Ã -vis the French, except the practically unthinkable step of cancelling the whole of the present MMRCA tenders and re-tendering — after 5 years of multifaceted work since the present tender was floated in 2007. All that will happen is that the MMRCA case will become another bitter experience in the numerous other major weapon systems involving initial finished supply of the system involved followed by TOT-based assembly-cum-later in-depth genuine manufacture.
Knowing it has been selected as the "won" contractor, the weapon system-cum-technology supplier just digs his toes in and refuses to given anything more to the government at this stage of the whole process even doing so is a mandatory condition of the original tender or Request for Proposal (RFP) — here of 2007. Such uncompromising intransigence in the MMRCA case would be 12 areas as referred to earlier.
However, in the present case, the fact that Rafale has not won any international/foreign orders at all, is contrariwise a major negotiating and decision-making weapon in the government of India's hands. Both AMD and the French government knowing that should the former not fully finalise and sign off with the MOD and HAL contracts fully acceptable to them, the GOI may cancel the whole MMRCA process a catastrophic step for both — AMD would have to close down and the French government face huge job losses and that too in an election year.
So, our Negotiating Team charged by the GOI and MOD to fully finalise and sign off the cluster of MMRCA-related agreements and contracts has an excellent opportunity to get for out country, the very best overall deal in all its respects. I can not conclude without drawing the attention of author of this article, Air Vice Marshall (Retd.) Kapil Kak, who has revealed his total lack of understanding of what "offsets" an MMRCA type contract really mean. He does so when he states that "the idea (of offsets) is that this contract should be the last ever import contract for a combat aircraft (in our country).
Firstly, the MMRCA contract is not an "import contract" — only 18 of the total number of 126 aircraft covered by the contract are to be in readily and fully "fly away" condition on Contract Signing. The remaining 108 — the vast bulk — are to be initially assembled and then genuinely manufactured in-depth here, using technology transferred by AMD and other involved French companies to HAL and a similar set of counterpart Indian companies.
Secondly, considerable "residual import content" by way of assemblies, sub-assemblies, components and raw material" would have to be continued to be imported during the aircraft's "phased manufacturing programme". But this would be the case with locally designed and developed Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft at one end, and the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft, Sukhoi-50 at the other end. The Su-50 is to be jointly developed on an Indo-Russian Cooperation basis.
For such development and production of the Su-50, a slew of inter-governmental agreement and inter-company contracts were signed in the last two years. Also, active technical work on the ground by both Indian and Russian specialist teams are currently underway.
The writer is former secretary to Government of India in various scientific departments and science adviser to late Prime Minister Indira Gandhi
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Antony tells MoD to probe Rafale deal
Published March 13, 2012
Defence minister A.K. Antony has ordered his ministry to probe allegations of irregularities and manipulation of the evaluation process while picking the French company Dassault for the purchase of 126 fighter aircraft worth about Rs50,000 crore.
India had picked Dassault's Rafale over the Typhoon of EADS, an European consortium. Mr Antony took the decision after receiving a complaint from TD Rajya Sabha member M.V. Mysoora Reddy. Replying to Dr Reddy, Mr Antony said he had asked the MoD to examine all the points raised in the complaint.
In his complaint dated February 27, 2012, Dr Reddy had demanded an enquiry into the evaluation process that finalised the L-1 contractor for procurement of the MMRCA without looking into their efficiency and other aspects.
"The alleged manipulation of the evaluation process in picking the L-1 contractor, which resulted in a decision to procure 126 MMRCA, has raised serious apprehensions not only across the country but also worldwide. If a proper decision is not taken, the country's credibility will be at stake," Dr Reddy wrote.
Antony tells MoD to probe Rafale deal | idrw.org
What Reddy said is:
Published March 13, 2012
Defence minister A.K. Antony has ordered his ministry to probe allegations of irregularities and manipulation of the evaluation process while picking the French company Dassault for the purchase of 126 fighter aircraft worth about Rs50,000 crore.
India had picked Dassault's Rafale over the Typhoon of EADS, an European consortium. Mr Antony took the decision after receiving a complaint from TD Rajya Sabha member M.V. Mysoora Reddy. Replying to Dr Reddy, Mr Antony said he had asked the MoD to examine all the points raised in the complaint.
In his complaint dated February 27, 2012, Dr Reddy had demanded an enquiry into the evaluation process that finalised the L-1 contractor for procurement of the MMRCA without looking into their efficiency and other aspects.
"The alleged manipulation of the evaluation process in picking the L-1 contractor, which resulted in a decision to procure 126 MMRCA, has raised serious apprehensions not only across the country but also worldwide. If a proper decision is not taken, the country's credibility will be at stake," Dr Reddy wrote.
Antony tells MoD to probe Rafale deal | idrw.org
What Reddy said is:
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The only rag reporting this "irregularity" is the Deccan Chronicle. If it was such an issue why are there not more papers picking it up?
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First MMRCA Squadron to Be Inducted Soon
(Source: Press Trust of India; posted March 19, 2012)
(Source: Press Trust of India; posted March 19, 2012)
More here: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...2015_2016.html
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Eric Trappier (Dassault): "India wants a signature of the Rafale contract in six months"
Despite BAE attacks which tries to get back the Eurofighter on track, Dassault expects to conclude the first sale of Rafale abroad this year. The decision of New Delhi has had a ripple effect on other ongoing campaigns, says the director of international of the aircraft manufacturer.
In India, the Rafale has won the tender for the purchase of 126 combat aircraft. What could stop exclusive negotiations now?
I see no reason which would prevent us from going to the end or would lead the Indians to stop whereas they made the hardest part. The procedure started in 2007. After several weeks of evaluations in extreme conditions, from the slopes of the Himalayas to the desert sands, the Air Force selected two aircraft: the Rafale and Eurofighter. Ultimately, it is the lowest bid that won in terms of unit cost of the device itself and in terms maintenance over time. Everything was conducted on the basis of criteria set in advance and have been scrupulously observed, without political involvement. This tender is exemplary.
When do you expect to conclude?
The Indians want to go fast, and are considering a conclusion in about six months. We need to finalize technical and industrial terms , and build a contract whose terms are equivalent to those of the Mirage 2000 (signed in 2000, Ed).
BAE has suggested that the Eurofighter could get back on track ...
I do not believe it, and I am surprised that some people are themselves surprised that the Rafale has prevailed. In all competitions where the two planes were opposed, the Eurofighter has been eliminated in the first round, as in Korea, the Netherlands and Brazil, or it was ranked behind the Rafale, as in India. Or in Switzerland, as shown by the evaluation report of the armed forces published in the press. I add that the calculations of the UK Court of Auditors show that the Eurofighter is much more expensive. And operationally, the Rafale has proved its versatility during Operation Harmattan, unlike the Eurofighter which was conceived as a pure fighter. The indian tender has clearly appointed the best aircraft.
At what price? cheaper than to France?
The price of the Rafale in India is offered at French prices, adjusted for expenses related to the contract since it is not quite the same technical configuration, and that manufacturing will be in part locally. The competition was so tough that each side had to offer the best possible price.That said, we have not done any dumping to win. Under iso conditions, we proposed the price of the French Rafale.
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http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-s...ron-303002.php
Despite BAE attacks which tries to get back the Eurofighter on track, Dassault expects to conclude the first sale of Rafale abroad this year. The decision of New Delhi has had a ripple effect on other ongoing campaigns, says the director of international of the aircraft manufacturer.
In India, the Rafale has won the tender for the purchase of 126 combat aircraft. What could stop exclusive negotiations now?
I see no reason which would prevent us from going to the end or would lead the Indians to stop whereas they made the hardest part. The procedure started in 2007. After several weeks of evaluations in extreme conditions, from the slopes of the Himalayas to the desert sands, the Air Force selected two aircraft: the Rafale and Eurofighter. Ultimately, it is the lowest bid that won in terms of unit cost of the device itself and in terms maintenance over time. Everything was conducted on the basis of criteria set in advance and have been scrupulously observed, without political involvement. This tender is exemplary.
When do you expect to conclude?
The Indians want to go fast, and are considering a conclusion in about six months. We need to finalize technical and industrial terms , and build a contract whose terms are equivalent to those of the Mirage 2000 (signed in 2000, Ed).
BAE has suggested that the Eurofighter could get back on track ...
I do not believe it, and I am surprised that some people are themselves surprised that the Rafale has prevailed. In all competitions where the two planes were opposed, the Eurofighter has been eliminated in the first round, as in Korea, the Netherlands and Brazil, or it was ranked behind the Rafale, as in India. Or in Switzerland, as shown by the evaluation report of the armed forces published in the press. I add that the calculations of the UK Court of Auditors show that the Eurofighter is much more expensive. And operationally, the Rafale has proved its versatility during Operation Harmattan, unlike the Eurofighter which was conceived as a pure fighter. The indian tender has clearly appointed the best aircraft.
At what price? cheaper than to France?
The price of the Rafale in India is offered at French prices, adjusted for expenses related to the contract since it is not quite the same technical configuration, and that manufacturing will be in part locally. The competition was so tough that each side had to offer the best possible price.That said, we have not done any dumping to win. Under iso conditions, we proposed the price of the French Rafale.
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http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-s...ron-303002.php
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By sooner induction I thought it will be within one year time span
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Hey - this is India - the national religion is bureaucracy, the common god is Red Tape. 2-3 years is "fast" enough - faster than "never".By sooner induction I thought it will be within one year time span
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All I want is ink on paper. India has proven resilient in follow through after that.
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Updated: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:12:20 GMT | By Sandeep Unnithan, India Today
IAF's Rafale deal faces delay
AK Antony has ordered a probe into Rafale aircraft deal after charges of irregularities.
Allegations of irregularities in the Indian Air Force's (IAF) deal for 126 fighter aircraft are likely to delay, not derail the $18 billion (Rs.90,000 crore) deal. Defence Minister A.K. Antony ordered a departmental probe into his ministry's January 31 decision to shortlist French firm Dassault to supply the aircraft.
Antony's move came soon after doubts were raised about the evaluation process by an MP.
In January, India announced that Dassault had emerged as the lowest bidder for the contract to supply 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA). The Dassault Rafale multi-role combat jet edged out its closest competitor, the Eurofighter Typhoon, to emerge the cheapest bidder in the world's largest open tender defence contract. On February 27, Telugu Desam Party's Rajya Sabha MP M.V. Mysura Reddy wrote to Antony alleging deviations in procedure. Officials involved in negotiations say the probe will delay the deal by only a "month or two". Ministry of Defence (MoD) expects the deal to be signed before March 31, 2013.
In February, MoD-appointed Contract Negotiations Committee (CNC), comprising the defence ministry's stakeholders, opened negotiations with Dassault. The final proposal will be put before the Cabinet Committee on Security early next year. "The formula for calculating the cheapest aircraft was re-totalled three times, by MoD and IAF," an official told India Today. The controversy arose because mod used 'life cycle costs' to select its finalist. As per this formula, the cheapest aircraft would not be the one with the lowest upfront cost. It would be the aircraft that worked out to be the cheapest over the aircraft's 30-year life cycle. The formula took into account variables like maintenance and engine replacement.
Sources say the Rafale aircraft was $5 million (Rs.250 crore) cheaper than the Typhoon. Losing finalists like the European Consortium found fault with the formula even as European diplomats made fresh proposals to lower the rates of the Typhoon. MoD, however, signalled that the door was shut as it began CNC with Dassault in February. Reddy's letter to Antony has, however, added a twist to the tale.
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IAF's Rafale deal faces delay
AK Antony has ordered a probe into Rafale aircraft deal after charges of irregularities.
Allegations of irregularities in the Indian Air Force's (IAF) deal for 126 fighter aircraft are likely to delay, not derail the $18 billion (Rs.90,000 crore) deal. Defence Minister A.K. Antony ordered a departmental probe into his ministry's January 31 decision to shortlist French firm Dassault to supply the aircraft.
Antony's move came soon after doubts were raised about the evaluation process by an MP.
In January, India announced that Dassault had emerged as the lowest bidder for the contract to supply 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA). The Dassault Rafale multi-role combat jet edged out its closest competitor, the Eurofighter Typhoon, to emerge the cheapest bidder in the world's largest open tender defence contract. On February 27, Telugu Desam Party's Rajya Sabha MP M.V. Mysura Reddy wrote to Antony alleging deviations in procedure. Officials involved in negotiations say the probe will delay the deal by only a "month or two". Ministry of Defence (MoD) expects the deal to be signed before March 31, 2013.
In February, MoD-appointed Contract Negotiations Committee (CNC), comprising the defence ministry's stakeholders, opened negotiations with Dassault. The final proposal will be put before the Cabinet Committee on Security early next year. "The formula for calculating the cheapest aircraft was re-totalled three times, by MoD and IAF," an official told India Today. The controversy arose because mod used 'life cycle costs' to select its finalist. As per this formula, the cheapest aircraft would not be the one with the lowest upfront cost. It would be the aircraft that worked out to be the cheapest over the aircraft's 30-year life cycle. The formula took into account variables like maintenance and engine replacement.
Sources say the Rafale aircraft was $5 million (Rs.250 crore) cheaper than the Typhoon. Losing finalists like the European Consortium found fault with the formula even as European diplomats made fresh proposals to lower the rates of the Typhoon. MoD, however, signalled that the door was shut as it began CNC with Dassault in February. Reddy's letter to Antony has, however, added a twist to the tale.
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