Know Your 'Rafale'

[Armand2REP]

I am sitting back taking a good laugh. Suggesting lifecycle cost and bombing efficiency during Libya of Rafale being less than Eurofighter....

You have some kind of MP clowns in GoI.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

I dont get it even the Switzerland leaked report suggested the Avionics where better in DR and EF was so pathetic in that. I think this MP is payed to create a racket, where was he when LCA is getting delayed?

 

[p2prada]

Nothings going to happen. Contract negotiations will take place and the deal will be signed.

The MP's reasons were flimsy. Anybody who has followed the deal even within civilian circles will happily point out his mistakes.

 

[Armand2REP]

I don't see this inquiry slowing the deal. Anthony began it early while the industrial ties are still being drawn. Nothing has stopped. Under any measure Rafale will always be L1 over Eurofighter = no worries.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

However the Tejas engine program would have benefited with the EF more. The Dassult engine is some what lagging in power and is outdated, i wonder if we will get the new eco core or do they even have a program to induct the 92kN M-88 engine with eco-core?

 

[p2prada]

The difference was stated to be 25% even considering that was the lowest EF could manage as compared to the lowest Dassault could manage. The only way for EF to make a come back is if the deal is re-tendered and that seems least likely since IAF wanted Rafale from the start.

 

[JAYRAM]

India's biggest defence deal in jeopardy?

In the biggest defence deal in Indian history, 126 French fighter jets would have been inducted into the Indian Air Force. But now, sources have told TIMES NOW that certain senior officials in the Ministry of Defence have raised reservations over the Rafale fighter jet deal. These reservations might put the massive 80,000 crore jet deal in great jeopardy.


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[weg]

The difference was stated to be 25% even considering that was the lowest EF could manage as compared to the lowest Dassault could manage. The only way for EF to make a come back is if the deal is re-tendered and that seems least likely since IAF wanted Rafale from the start.

Well, now they are saying its only 5million euros. Someone is bullshitting.

 

[anoop_mig25]

India's biggest defence deal in jeopardy?

In the biggest defence deal in Indian history, 126 French fighter jets would have been inducted into the Indian Air Force. But now, sources have told TIMES NOW that certain senior officials in the Ministry of Defence have raised reservations over the Rafale fighter jet deal. These reservations might put the massive 80,000 crore jet deal in great jeopardy.


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who are those and where they were invovle in deal making or they crying foul since they are not going to get their cut this time??

 

[ace009]

I am pretty sure these are politicians whose job is to question every deal to further their political aspirations. Mr Reddy may also have been mis-informed (or monetarily disinformed) about the MMRCA deal.

 

[p2prada]

Well, now they are saying its only 5million euros. Someone is bullshitting.

The 22-25% figure came from a MoD official, I guess in a press conference. The 5 Million figure came from some random source who we don't know. Also, we don't know if the 5 Million was for per unit cost or was the program unit cost for the entire MRCA deal(training, spares servicing, maintenance for 10years etc).

Even the Italians pegged the EF to be higher than the JSF.

 

[Armand2REP]

The 5 million per aircraft was the acquisition cost. The 25% was the entire acquisition and lifecycle cost factored.

 

[Yusuf]

Armand, Rafale may not see Indian Skies the way things are going.

 

[Koovie]

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great news for EADS and co........

 

[Armand2REP]

We read the complaint, it has no merit. It really is no news. The audit will be made and the decision will stand. The same people who made the decision are the ones who are reviewing it.

 

[Yusuf]

We read the complaint, it has no merit. It really is no news. The audit will be made and the decision will stand. The same people who made the decision are the ones who are reviewing it.

The Brits are still making the rounds. I am sure MI6 will be providing all the documents and leaks!

This ain't over yet.

 

[Armand2REP]

I am shaking in my boots over MI6.

 

[panduranghari]

The Brits are still making the rounds. I am sure MI6 will be providing all the documents and leaks!

This ain't over yet.

An about turn will reflect very poorly. I think there will not be a u turn. We will stick with Rafale.

 

[JAYRAM]

Rafale deal under scanner

NEW DELHI, Mar 29, 2012, DHNS:

The Central Government has launched an investigation into India's biggest defence deal to buy 126 fighter jets following a complaint by a Member of Parliament that the shortlisted aircraft— French fighter jet Rafale – was actually not the lowest bidder for the mega deal.

"As the contract negotiating committee is negotiating the price, a parallel probe has been launched to look into the allegations," Defence Minister A K Antony, facing flak for inaction against alleged corruption in defence deals, said on the sidelines of Defexpo. After a two-year long evaluation and cost analysis, the defence ministry in January zeroed in on French fighter jet Rafale as the lucky winner in the fiercely competitive race among global aviation majors to bag India's $20billion (about Rs 84,000 crore as per the original tender) deal to buy 126 fighter jets for Indian Air Force.

A month later, TDP Rajya Sabha MP M V Mysura Reddy wrote a letter to Antony seeking an inquiry into the mega defence deal claiming that the process to select the L1 was rigged and the loser – Eurofighter Typhoon – was actually the L1. "The Rafale scam might do the Manmohan government, whatever the Bofors scam did to the Rajiv Gandhi government. I am sure you might want to avoid that syndrome," he wrote on February 27, 2012. The minister responded to Reddy on February 29, intimating the probe.

"I got a complaint from an MP and ordered a probe, which is going on parallel to the CNC procedure. It will take some time to complete. All complaints will be attended at every stage," Antony said, adding that CNC would take 6-8 months to complete the price negotiation.

Although the initial contract will be for 126 medium multi-role aircraft, Indian Air Force was likely to place orders for an additional 63 aircraft.

Rafale deal under scanner

 

[JAYRAM]

Centre cautious on MMRCA deal

March 30, 2012

Defence minister A.K. Antony said the government would proceed to sign the (estimated $18 billion) Medium Multi-role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal only "if we are satisfied that there is no foul play in selection of the L-1 (lowest bidder)".

Just recently, the ministry of defence (MoD) announced that French company Dassault — that manufactures the Rafale fighter aircraft — had been declared the L-1, that renders it all set to bag the deal after the cost-negotiation process which could take about six to eight months. But Mr Antony pointed out that an MP had recently written to him alleging certain irregularities in the process. He said the allegations were being examined. This is significant in the wake of speculation that some officials may have expressed reservations on the methodology of certain complex calculations made to finalise the L-1.
Speaking at the inauguration of the defence land and naval systems' exhibition "Defexpo-2012" in the capital on Thursday where China (for the first time), along with state-run and private companies from several other countries, are participating, the defence minister also said that at any stage of the acquisition process, if any wrong-doing is detected, the ministry will not hesitate to cancel any deal.

The minister said there was need for speedy defence acquisitions. He pointed to the "speed" at which some of India's neighbours (an obvious reference to China) were modernising their armed forces. But he said that the same time, the government was duty-bound to examine every allegation of corruption which takes time. The minister's comments come in the wake of the recent plea by the Army chief to the Prime Minister highlighting slow pace of acquisitions and critical shortages of equipment in the Army.

Mr Antony also pointed to the significant hike in the defence budget this year but added that the ministry wanted more funds for capital acquisitions (acquisitions of weaponry and equipment). But at the same time, he pointed to financial constraints faced by the Government. He also said that in the coming years, "expenditure on defence in absolute terms is bound to increase".

Centre cautious on MMRCA deal | Deccan Chronicle