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Those error bars are humongous!
Also, how did they evaluate the EF Tranche 3 - it's not ready yet - or the JSF - which was not provided to the swiss - the Rafale F4 was not there too. So, it seems to be a mix of actual test data and company published data.
It's all paper based. I don't think there was any actual evaluation performed. The Rafale is just 2% less capable on the points table as compared to the F-35. It is not a realistic performance chart. But I guess it matches with what was revealed in the Swiss evaluations where Rafale was ahead of the competition. EF was a ahead as compared to SH in air to air, on par at some parameters and below SH in some. Gripen was equivalent or behind SH in all parameters.

In Korea, the Rafale was given excellent on all parameters compared to F-15Ks(without AESA) rating of excellent in only two parameters. Dassault was quite pissed actually and decided never to participate in any of Korea's military programs in the future. True to their words, Dassault is not participating in S Korea's FX-3 program. Even Russian officials said the Koreans have already chosen the F-35. The competition is just to get a good price for the F-35. PAKFA was shortlisted, but they pulled out citing secrecy of the program will be compromised.

Singapore as well, the Rafale came out on top. But the F-15(with AESA) was chosen. In Singapore, Rafale and F-15 made the final shortlist. The F-15 may have been cheaper. The Malaysian purchase of Su-30 may have influenced Singapore's decision.

In all competition Rafale was ahead. Even our ACM flew both Rafale and SH had the same opinion. He said the SH is a very good aircraft. It's just that Rafale is a next generation aircraft as compared to the SH.
 

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RAFALE PILOT HAVE SHOWN TO ACHIEVED MINDBLOWING 11G MANUVEUR ON RAFALE

 
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Selection of Rafale might become a strategic mistake

Ever since the results were announced for the mother of all defence deals, i was a bit intrigued on the possibility of going for the french system than EADS. As, going for the EADS system would have created some new challenges like upgrading present infrastructure and runways to eurofighter systems which might have looked like a daunting task ,and what i saw in there was a opening of new opportunities like getting in to the know how of tech from the associated european nations like the available tech on night vision devices and etc. But opting in for the french system is not a bad idea as the french are known to be steady supplier of goods even during war times compared to other European nations but the real problem is the french are hard core business people who would have stopped at nothing to get the deal done, even after the much debated french bribing scam or reality India has opted for their system not for the price but for the familiarity of french system with the mirage-2000 series of jets that our pilots have. And not even looking at the specifications closer which shows that the EADS machine was far superior compared to the Rafael system does create a good impression on the state of affairs with the french compared to the European counterparts. Either way it does create new opportunities and good lessons for both the rivals in Europe when it comes to doing business with India.

Latest Defence news: Selection of Rafale might become a strategic mistake

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Étrelles. Gerard Longuet visit Thales

Wednesday afternoon, the Minister of Defense and Veterans Affairs visited the site of Thales Microelectronics at Etrelles. For an hour, he visited the premises before signing the certificate for the "10,000th active module produced" , used in the construction of the Rafale fighter plane.
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In fact, it is the 10 000th active module produced for the Rafale's active antenna.
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serious attempt to derail the process has begun, didn't madam Renuka CHoudhury of same part derailed the BHIM project for IA

In Libya, in the war against Gaddafi, the Rafale had failed in precision bombing and finally the Typhoon was inducted". said MP M.V. Mysoora Reddy

Rafale aircraft shunned by all countries | Deccan Chronicle:p:rofl:



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EADS: Winner or Loser in MMRCA Competition?

When the Indian government named the Dassault Rafale as the low-cost bidder in the country's Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft competition, it was a big setback for losing contender Eurofighter.

In particular, the outcome was seen as a setback for EADS, whose Cassidian unit led the campaign. U.K. officials have not been shy in expressing frustration over the German-led effort and suggested that if the talks were reopened -- if contract talks between New Delhi and Dassault stall -- they would push aggressively for a better offer.

But how much of a loss did EADS really suffer in the MMRCA program? Perhaps less than many suspect.

EADS holds a 46% share in the Eurofighter consortium, but also controls 46.3% of Dassault Aviation shares. When word of the Rafale win broke, Dassault's share price spiked (in part because of the relatively small free-float), in effect adding around €1 billion to the valuation of the company on the day.

"On that day, we lost and gained €500 million," EADS CEO Louis Gallois quips when asked yesterday about the MMRCA competition as the company released its full-year results.
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http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...entId=blogDest

About DA share ownership:
There are a lot of nonsense written on this subject, for example there is obviously no separation between military and civilian activities of D.A. in order to avoid any influence of EADS. It's useless because in such company (Societe Anonyme under French law) the power goes into the hands of the shareholder who owns the majority of shares and voting rights, And the Dassault family owns 50.55% of shares and voting rights.
This is confirmed by the European Commission:


http://ec.europa.eu/competition/merg...0_20310_fr.pdf

..]It results from the investigation that EADS France does not have the opportunity to exercise any influence in determining the industrial and commercial strategy of Dassault Aviation. EADS does not have veto rights and there is no shareholder pact favoring EADS [...]
And this is also the true cause of Louis Gallois (CEO of EADS) resignation from the governing board of Dassault Aviation in 2008 ...
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/econo...olere-pas.html
The board is now mainly composed with Dassault family members and friends (6 among 9).

From a financial point of view, besides the market value of shares , EADS also receives annually between 25 and 50 million Euros in dividends.
http://www.tradingsat.com/dividende-...iation-AM.html
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Who could work with Dassault ?

To fulfill the conditions of the MoD in matter of offsets, Dassault Aviation will not only work with large state firms like HALand Bharat Electronics, the champion of Indian radars. The MoD wants also to promote the industrial private sector. Its agency for offsets, the Dofa, has referenced fifty players capable of producing equipment or systems for the Indian Rafale. These include Bharat Heavy Electricals, a diversified group which manufactures flight simulators and avionics, Larsen & Toubro (sensors, radars ...), Samtel (cockpit equipment, navigation), the latter being a partner of Thales for renovation of the Indian Mirage 2000 through a JV. There are also Alpha-ITL Electro Optics and Memory Electronics, which manufactures optronic equipment, or groups not necessarily specialists in matter of defense, like Reliance (who just signed an agreement with Dassault), Mahindra & Mahindra and Tata Power. The latter has created a division in combat systems and data link. Without forgetting ECIL, which manufactures joysticks and black boxes, or Precision Electronics, specialist in cabling.In contrast, the Dofa list has few industrial specialized in aerostructures: there is Aurora Integrated Systems and Infra Polytec. Logically, this area is the prerogative of HAL.
 

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Indian Rafale: how Dassault is preparing:

The manufacturer has six to eight months to prove it can meet the requirements of the Indian authorities in matter of offsets and technology transfers. A short delay , especially as the local industry has still many gaps to fill.

There was contained joy, last January 31, when the Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) has announced the selection of the Rafale to equip the Indian Air Force with 126 multimission fighters. The famous MMRCA contract. But the next day, gravity took over at St. Cloud, headquarters of Dassault Aviation. And for good reason. If the manufacturer of the Rafale and its partners Thales and Safran, want to sign a contract in good and due form, they must prove that they can transfer to the Indian industry 50% of this contract, which would amount between 12 and 15 billion dollars according to various estimations. So, 6 to 7 billion in offsets and technology transfer to find before next fall! This is a record, commensurate to the contract. Only the first 18 Rafale will be built in France. The following 108 should be built by the Indian aeronautic's national champion, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), a state corporation. Dassault must not miss the boat. "It's a big reference for French industry and for us, it will represent about 20 million euros in turnover by plane, "emphasizes Jean-Paul Herteman, CEO of Safran, during the presentation of the results of the group, last February 23.

The Indians landed at Dassault.

But the Indians are in a hurry. The MoD announced its intention to sign a definitive contract eight months after the annoucement around September-October. " Since the beginning of February, Indians have sent their best staff in St. Cloud, dozens of brilliant graduates to form working groups with Dassault teams "said a source familiar with the matter. On the French manufacturer side, it is logically Eric Trappier, Dassault director for international affairs, the man of all the negotiations when it comes to export the Rafale , which took things in hand, in conjunction with the technical direction and the management of industrial affairs.
Concurrently, an ad hoc committee will coordinate and centralize the Franco-Indian work , including members like Jean-Marc Gasparini, head of the Rafale program, and representatives of Thales and Safran. On the Indian side, HAL will be the main interlocutor of Dassault.
Naturally, the idea is not to formalize all the offset volume in the smallest details. It would be an impossible mission in such a short time. In this preliminary phase, HAL and Dassault will list all the fields, module per module, where technology transfers are possible, and will establish priorities and a timetable. Then they will give everything a value [price] and sign partnerships with Indian companies. The aircraft and its 30,000 main components will be dissected to identify transferable parts, subassemblies and equipment : from elements of the fuselage to the landing gear, through pipes or embedded systems.
There is plenty to do , the French fighter aircraft contains for example 25 kilometers of cabling and 300,000 rivets! The goal, in a first step, is to define compensation directly related to the Rafale program. Indirect offsets will come later. Concurrently, Dassault will turn on its supply chain: probably not all of the 500 concerned companies, but rather the 250 to 300 most important . "We have not yet been approached by Dassault, but we expect it. This is to Dassault to conduct these first discussions," said Francois Bertrand, president of the board of Latecoere, which manufactures the high back part of the Rafale.

Engineering processes.

Similarly, the manufacturer of St. Cloud will value all the industrial operations hidden but no less strategic in manufacturing an airplane: Process engineering, CAD, referentials of methods ... Finally, and this is not the smallest task to do for the working groups, they will set the price of licenses to be paid by Indian companies selected to have the right to manufacture a particular equipment. On the side of New Delhi, an actor will play an important role: The Defence Offset Facilitation Agency (DOFA). Created in 2006, this organization ,depending of the MoD, plays the role of interface between military, Indian industrialists and foreign suppliers.
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India, Dassault enter final MMRCA negotiations

India has confirmed that final negotiations with Dassault for 126 Rafale fighters have commenced, and that the Indian air force plans to phase out its Mikoyan MiG-21 aircraft from 2014.

The defence ministry says final talks are now under way with Dassault, which in early February secured so-called "L1 vendor" status, denoting that it was the lowest-price-compliant bidder for the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) competition.

A defence ministry official also dismissed as false a report in an Indian publication that quoted unnamed sources as saying it had raised concerns about calculations pertaining to the Rafale's life-cycle costs.

Achieving L1 status allows Dassault to conduct final negotiations for the deal with India's Contract Negotiation Committee (CNC). A CNC is comprised of a defence programme's key stakeholders, and in the case of MMRCA is likely to include organisations such as the air force and Hindustan Aeronautics, which will build 108 of the aircraft domestically.

Once launched, negotiations between the CNC and Dassault could take between six months and one year to complete, according to an industry source.

Analysts have estimated the value of the MMRCA contest as ranging between $10 billion and $20 billion. The Rafale's original rivals for the requirement were the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16IN Super Viper, RSK MiG-35 and Saab Gripen NG. All but the Rafale and Typhoon were eliminated in April 2011.

The defence ministry source says India will begin phasing out its MiG-21s from 2014. While popular among experienced pilots, the MiG-21s in air force service have suffered from obsolescence problems as well as a number of fatal accidents in recent years
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Dassault Says Indian Fighter Jet Deal Secure as Talks Intensify

Dassault Aviation SA (AM) is confident that an accord to supply at least 126 Rafale combat planes to India will cross all hurdles as the French company intensifies negotiations to clinch the first-ever export deal for the jet.

Dassault and India are now in final talks to conclude details of the contract, after the Rafale was given preference over the competing Eurofighter jet last month, Chief Executive Officer Charles Edelstenne said in an interview in Paris. Negotiations may wrap up by the end of the year, he said. Selling the Rafale to India would mark a major victory for Edelstenne, who has had to rely on France as the aircraft's sole customer. The Indian backing for the $11 billion contract has boosted Dassault's hopes it can also prevail in Brazil, and help raise production rates of the Rafale that are now hovering at the minimum of one a month, the CEO said.

"For 15 years, we've been saying the Rafale costs less than the Eurofighter," Edelstenne said. "Now it's the Indians who are saying it."

Dassault will prevail against the Eurofighter in India because in every competition where the two jets have been in direct competition, the French model gained higher rankings, even if it ultimately didn't win the final deal, the CEO said.

Edelstenne said Dassault can easily boost production to two or three Rafales a month or more if needed, depending on what other orders the company may win. Beyond Brazil and the United Arab Emirates, Dassault is also pitching the plane to other export prospects he said, including Malaysia.

Fighting Back

Dassault has already delivered 106 of 180 fighters ordered by France, which has said it will order 286 planes over the lifetime of the plane. Edelstenne said India's naming Dassault as lowest-bidder would help generally export prospects .

British Prime Minister David Cameron has said he would keep fighting for the Eurofighter Typhoon, partly built by BAE Systems Plc (BA/), to get back into the contest. Louis Gallois, the CEO of European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Co. (EAD), said yesterday the only way for his company to get back to into the contest is if talks between Dassault and the Indian side fall through.

Until India decided on the Rafale, Dassault had failed to win any export contracts for the aircraft, losing out in a half dozen competitions to countries including Singapore, South Korea, Morocco, the Netherlands, and Switzerland.

U.S. manufacturers beat Dassault in all those contests except in Switzerland, where Saab AB (SAABB)'s Gripen has been pre- selected. The company still hasn't given up in Switzerland, Edelstenne said, citing a review of the decision process.

Long Relations

Dassault's relations with India date back 60 years. India was the very first export customer for Dassault, ordering 71 Ouragans in June 1953, and India has purchased most Dassault models sold since. India replaced the Ouragans with Dassault's Mystere IV A in 1957, procuring 104 in 1957 and using them in 1961 for air strikes against the Portuguese colony of Daman.

The French company will gradually turn over the manufacturing of its plane for the Indian market to local businesses because that was a requirement India had set for all competitors, he said. Dassault will provide the assistance required to do that.

"Little by little, the whole plane will come to be produced in India within 10 years," he said. "We are open to all transfers of technology, I don't fear competition."
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DASSAULT RAFALE'S VICTORY IN INDIA flight to FUTURE

: Dassault Aviation has secured a dazzling victory with India's mega-order to beef up its air power with 126 Rafale fighter jets. The first Rafale export order breathes life into the Dassault's combat plane programme and makes it a strong contender on the global market for fighters. However, for the company which has seen several export orders slipping between the cup and the lip, several hurdles remain before it can finally lay its hands on the prized contract.

On January 31, it was announced that Dassault's Rafale was the lowest bidder (L1) in the final shootout with EADS Cassidian's Eurofighter. The two companies were the finalists in India's $10.4 billion order to expand its fleet of fighter planes – technically called medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) – after eliminating rivals like Lockheed Martin's F-16IN, Boeing's F-18, Mikoyan's MiG-35 Saab's Gripen NG.

According to India's defence procurement procedure (DPP), a specially constituted body...
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IAF to induct 1st squadron of MMRCA in 3 to 4 years

NEW DELHI (PTI): The first squadron of Medium-Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) consisting of 18 aircraft is expected to be inducted into the IAF within three to four years of signing of the contract with its supplier.

In reply to a question on delivery of MMRCA, Defence Minister A K Antony told Lok Sabha on Monday, "First squadron of MMRCA consisting of 18 aircraft is expected to be inducted within three to four years of signing of contract."

"The remaining 108 aircraft will be manufactured under license by Hindustan Aeronautical Limited (HAL) and are expected to be inducted over the following seven years," he said.

The Request for Proposal (RFP) for procurement of MMRCA was issued to six manufacturers of fighter aircraft. Of the six proposals received in response, proposal of Dassault Aviation for Rafale and EADS Germany for Eurofighter Typhoon were found complaint to the technical requirements in field evaluation trials.

"The Contract Negotiations Committee (CNC) which is currently in progress found the proposal of Dassault Aviation as the lowest in terms of cost. Final decision will be taken after the CNC submits its recommendations," Antony told the House.

He also said the IAF is in the process of inducting additional Sukhoi-30MKI aircraft, Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), Medium Lift Helicopters, Advanced Light Helicopters as well as C-130J and C-17 transport aircraft to augment its combat aircraft, helicopter and transport aircraft fleet.

"Proposals are being progressed for procurement of MMRCA, Attack Helicopters and Heavy Lift Helicopters as well as the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft and Medium Transport Aircraft," Antony said.

On purchase of trainer aircraft for IAF, the Minister said a proposal is being looked into for procurement of 75 Basic Trainer Aircraft (BTA) from Pilatus Aircraft Limited, Switzerland.

The delivery of BTA is scheduled to commence 15 months from signing of the contract, Antony said.

Maintaining that there has been no delay in acquisition of Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT), he said a total of 106 such aircraft are being inducted into the IAF.

On reducing the flying-hours of rookie pilots, he said, "Consequent upon the grounding of HPT-32 aircraft due to flight safety concerns and shifting of basic flying training to Kiran Mk-1 aircraft, the syllabus for basic flying training has been reduced keeping the available resources in mind."

However, flying hours have been increased in other stages of flying to ensure wholesome training, he said.

Replying to a query on Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), he said, "IAF has placed orders for 40 aircraft for LCA Tejas on HAL. The deliveries of aircraft are scheduled in the 12th plan period."


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