Know Your 'Rafale'

[BON PLAN]

That is right.
But Meteor has its own disadvantage: when it is doing the extreme maneuvering, the air inflow volume will keep changing which affect its engine's efficiency. As a result, its capability of handling the high maneuvering fight jet is limited comparing to the traditional rocket engine missile.

It uses to roll so as to keep the 2 air intakes perfectly alimented, so not in the depression zone.
The stato engine can maintain a high speed during all fligh, so th Missile has a high kinetic energy that can be erode for the last manoeuvers.

There was a pic of a meteor very very near a target (I don't find it on internet), taken from the target it self, that showed the roll of the Meteor, with the 2 air intakes up.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

I wonder what is this extra sensor on Indian Rafales when it already has 360 degree RWR & jammer coverage.

 

[Picard]

I wonder what is this extra sensor on Indian Rafales when it already has 360 degree RWR & jammer coverage.

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Is it really "extra"?

RAFALE : Le SPECTRA - RAFALE : The omnirole fighter

Développé par MBDA et Thales, SPECTRA est un système intégré d'auto-protection pour l'avion de combat Rafale. Il assure détection et brouillage des menaces.

omnirole-rafale.com

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Is it really "extra"?

RAFALE : Le SPECTRA - RAFALE : The omnirole fighter

Développé par MBDA et Thales, SPECTRA est un système intégré d'auto-protection pour l'avion de combat Rafale. Il assure détection et brouillage des menaces.

omnirole-rafale.com

Yes it seems to be extra. Pictures through Google Images don't show it in other Rafales.

 

[DEV1729]

France successfully test fires updated ASMPA nuclear missile - Naval News

On December 9 2020, the French Directorate General of Armaments (DGA) along with MBDA and Dassault successfully carried out the first test launch of the updated ASMPA air-launched nuclear cruise missile (missile Air-Sol Moyenne Portée Amélioré). The missile is in service with the French Navy's...

www.navalnews.com

 

[BON PLAN]

I wonder what is this extra sensor on Indian Rafales when it already has 360 degree RWR & jammer coverage.

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Low band electronic counter measures I think.

 

[India Super Power]

Greece buys 6 more Rafale jets, frigates amid tensions with Turkey

Greece has signed deals to buy six additional Rafale fighter jets and three Belharra navy frigates from France as tensions continue to flare up with Turkey...

www.dailysabah.com

This is getting serious now
We gonna suffer if this continues

 

[BON PLAN]

Greece buys 6 more Rafale jets, frigates amid tensions with Turkey

Greece has signed deals to buy six additional Rafale fighter jets and three Belharra navy frigates from France as tensions continue to flare up with Turkey...

www.dailysabah.com

This is getting serious now
We gonna suffer if this continues

It depends.
Maybe an assembly line in India, so as to avoid the clutter of the french line, now full for yearSSS

 

[Wisemarko]

America’s Sixth Generation Fighter Will Emphasise Electronic Warfare Prowess Over Stealth or Speed - Reports

America’s Sixth Generation Fighter Will Emphasise Electronic Warfare Prowess Over Stealth or Speed - Reports

Speculation regarding the capabilities of America’s upcoming sixth generation fighter jet have been widespread for over a decade, and have grown considerably in light

militarywatchmagazine.com

It's a Rafale in fact.

Are you saying Rafale has more EW cabability than F-35?
You have a long way to catch up to 5th generation let alone 6th. Here a snippet from what true 360 degree coverage looks like:

 

[BON PLAN]

Are you saying Rafale has more EW cabability than F-35?
You have a long way to catch up to 5th generation let alone 6th. Here a snippet from what true 360 degree coverage looks like:

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F35 Uber Alles !!!! Zieg Heil.

1) Strange that such a stealth aircraft needs so many antennas. I understood it was useless for a steath aircraft.
2) The 3 you mentionned for Rafale are the ones for active warfare. The passives ones are differents ones. So please compare orange and orange, and not apple to orange.

 

[Wisemarko]

F35 Uber Alles !!!! Zieg Heil.

1) Strange that such a stealth aircraft needs so many antennas. I understood it was useless for a steath aircraft.
2) The 3 you mentionned for Rafale are the ones for active warfare. The passives ones are differents ones. So please compare orange and orange, and not apple to orange.

I think you need education in EW more than F-35 needs stealth. Passive detection of emission is even more significant when your platform is stealth. Active emissions from Rafale will be picked up way beyond the range of its returns. Therefore, it is not always wise to use. F-35 has both active EW and passive detection capabilities considered in multiples compared to old generation.

Second, Electronic attack requires precise locational accuracy (Something Rafale cannot do) and for that multiple antenna are needed. Rafale AESA is neither mature enough or powerful enough to mount AESA based EW.

Shhh don't tell this to people who are paying you Dom Perignon prices for sherry.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Low band electronic counter measures I think.

The it should be matched by extra antennas in front hemisphere too which we don't see.
F-22, F-35, Su-57 have multi-band antennas, so Rafale should also match them.
There are only 2 front jammers & IDK if the wing leading edges have any embedded antennas.
And now i'm thinking if Rafale is worth its high price. It is a superb jet but the price

 

[Super falcon]

Without a doubt rafale still holds edge over PAF and J 10 due to its state of the art EW Suit.sraight from horses mouth

 

[BON PLAN]

I think you need education in EW more than F-35 needs stealth. Passive detection of emission is even more significant when your platform is stealth. Active emissions from Rafale will be picked up way beyond the range of its returns. Therefore, it is not always wise to use. F-35 has both active EW and passive detection capabilities considered in multiples compared to old generation.

Second, Electronic attack requires precise locational accuracy (Something Rafale cannot do) and for that multiple antenna are needed. Rafale AESA is neither mature enough or powerful enough to mount AESA based EW.

Shhh don't tell this to people who are paying you Dom Perignon prices for sherry.

classical answer from an average american people.
Rafale don't need to use its radar as it can rely on a frontal optronic system able to detect and, more important, identify a bird at more than 40 km. It also use Spectra to detect any signal more than hundreds kms away.

Precise location accuracy ? Rafale without any pod was able to detect surface threats than even a dedicated F16 CJ can't (MAXE exercise).

Rafale AESA not mature? You really are pulling our legs. Stop dreaming Bro, you are saying bull shit post after post.

 

[BON PLAN]

The it should be matched by extra antennas in front hemisphere too which we don't see.
F-22, F-35, Su-57 have multi-band antennas, so Rafale should also match them.
There are only 2 front jammers & IDK if the wing leading edges have any embedded antennas.
And now i'm thinking if Rafale is worth its high price. It is a superb jet but the price

You forget the price, but the quality remains.

Rafale is in the SH18 price tag.

And about F35, we sure have not seen all the hidden prices. It's only the visible part of the iceberg that is now visble. It will be a high pain in the a** for Finland, Switzerland, Belgium... but only in more or less 10 years nearly.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

You forget the price, but the quality remains.

Rafale is in the SH18 price tag.

And about F35, we sure have not seen all the hidden prices. It's only the visible part of the iceberg that is now visble. It will be a high pain in the a** for Finland, Switzerland, Belgium... but only in more or less 10 years nearly.

So that's the problem that quality remains stagnant but price increase
Obviously Americans charge very high price whether it is iPhone or F-35
But from a technical PoV, the current number of antennas on Rafale may not be enough bcoz 1 type of antenna cannot cover every band/wavelength nor a true spherical coverage.

And now with new gen every type of antenna is becoming directional to reduce emissions & power waste.
Among the MRCA competitors, Rafale was better choice for us for not just technically but politically also as France often makes independent decisions.
But in the end it is a 4++ gen jet, not 5th gen which emphasize more on broadband EW. And the price of Rafale & EF-2000 were almost double than others. Sometimes we are left in a dicy situation with no other option than to pay more for a desired quality doesn't mean that quality is worth that price. It becomes market exploitation.
So now scenario again changes but till we become confident OEMs we have to tolerate & negotiate like this for some more time.

 

[Wisemarko]

classical answer from an average american people.
Rafale don't need to use its radar as it can rely on a frontal optronic system able to detect and, more important, identify a bird at more than 40 km. It also use Spectra to detect any signal more than hundreds kms away.

Precise location accuracy ? Rafale without any pod was able to detect surface threats than even a dedicated F16 CJ can't (MAXE exercise).

Rafale AESA not mature? You really are pulling our legs. Stop dreaming Bro, you are saying bull shit post after post.

An average American knows a lot more about aircraft than french noble. After all it was two average American bicycle shop owners who took the first flight.

Your idiocy aside, let's talk technology. The optronics work only for limited distance of 30 miles in best conditions - it works much less against even moderate IR stealth, while passive detection EW works for hundreds of miles. Spectra has only three detectors so obviously has limited capability compared to F-35.

You don't even know what precise location accuracy is so what's the point talking.

Rafale AESA is a first generation AESA with old fashioned slotted arrays, only 800 TRM GaA and beginner software. Yes, it is as old in tech as first AESA AN/APG-77v1 fielded on F-22 in 1999.
Northrop and Raytheon have 20 year lead on Thales in AESA.. Even SAAB has lead over Thales in this arena. Their PS-05 mod 4 AESA for Gripen E/NG with 1000 GaN TRM, much wider bandwidth and higher peak power is way more capable than RAFALE's RBE-AA radar.

Now F-35 with 1600+TRM, notch array, fourth generation back end architecture, is way ahead in every category- range, power, EW, LPI. It can even mount electronic attack on its own (like F-18 Growler!) which Rafale cannot imagine.

So again, focus on marketing to fool the third world nations or nations that can't get F-35. That's the best bet for Dassault. Hopefully after the war, F-35 may open up to India.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

F-35 may open up to India.

GoI/IAF/DoD has made clear that ther won't be any 5th gen purchases. Rather that money will be invested in AMCA. Unilateral dependency has to end, that's natural & apparent in era of globalization. I hope the stupid monarch dynasty don't return to power ever in an era of increasing education.
Moreiver F-35 & S-400 cannot go together. And some people desiring to impose CAATSA on India is also a problem when we don't intend to be anybody's adversary except for invaders from anywhere, like Pakistan.
So just like in commercial IT sector we can colaborate in military sub-systems level too.

 

[BON PLAN]

After all it was two average American bicycle shop owners who took the first flight.

US ideology.
First flight was made by Clement Ader. Sorry for you : a french....

 

[BON PLAN]

Spectra has only three detectors so obviously has limited capability compared to F-35.

Even an average american should know that 3 detectors are enough to cover 360 if they are well made.