Know Your 'Rafale'

[BON PLAN]

P&W F-135 that powers F-35 has Turbine inlet temperature of 3,600 °F (1,980 °C; 2,260 K) that was in 2009.

"The F135 gas turbine is the first production jet engine in this new 3,600°F class, designed to withstand these highest, record-breaking turbine inlet temperatures."

Some catching up to do, may be?

Read more: this is 2007 article
https://asmedigitalcollection.asme....0/Fahrenheit-3-600Everywhere-You-Look-the-Gas

M88 has, at its time, the hotter core of the world. The next gen may take the crown back.

 

[Wisemarko]

M88 has, at its time, the hotter core of the world. The next gen may take the crown back.

Yes, everyone else will wait for you to catch up. But need not worry, there are always client states willing to (over)pay for whatever you make/ whenever you make.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

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cool map

 

[THESIS THORON]

cool map

kashmir is again missing

 

[BON PLAN]

Sweetman, Bill A Stealthier Rafale? Ares Defense Technology Blog, 5 April 2010

Our colleagues at Air & Cosmos report that the French government is funding a demonstration of improved stealth technology for the Dassault Rafale fighter, with a focus on active cancellation techniques. The story itself is not online but is being discussed at the Key Military Forum.

Active cancellation means preventing a radar from detecting a target by firing back a deception signal with the same frequency as the reflection, but precisely one-half wavelength out of phase with it. Result: the returned energy reaching the radar has no frequency and can't be detected.

It's quite as difficult as it sounds. Some reports have suggested that the so called SP-3 or ZSR-62 "radar jamming device" planned in the early days of the B-2 program was an active cancellation system. It did not work and was scrapped in 1987-88. In 2005, Northrop Grumman paid $62 million to settle a False Claims Act case involving the system.

This may not be the first French attempt to implement AC on the Rafale. At the Paris air show in 1997, I interviewed a senior engineer at what was then Dassault Electronique, about the Rafale's Spectra jamming system. He remarked that Spectra used "stealthy jamming modes that not only have a saturating effect, but make the aircraft invisible... There are some very specific techniques to obtain the signature of a real LO aircraft."

"You mean active cancellation?" I asked. The engineer suddenly looked like someone who deeply regretted what he had just said, and declined any further comment. (As Hobbes once put it after pouncing on an unsuspecting Calvin: "We tigers live for moments like that."*)

The fact that a new demonstrator is being contemplated suggests that the technology may not have been up to the job the first time round - but since AC depends on electronics and processing, that picture may have changed. MBDA and Thales, which absorbed Dassault Electronique and is now the prime contractor on Spectra, have since confirmed that they are working on active cancellation for missiles.

The whole Spectra program has been a major venture, including the construction of four new indoor test ranges, including the colossal Solange RCS range discussed in Ares in 2007. That facility will probably play a major role in the new demonstrator program.

 

[Haldilal]

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Ya'll Nibbiars wrong map.

 

[SARTHAK]

will not work on aesa probably

 

[BON PLAN]

About SPECTRA : https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=27978

 

[BON PLAN]

will not work on aesa probably

Why? All the modules are working in the same way, if not (ie if you divide it) you have 2 antennaes, but each with half the size so far less range.
There are 2 main assets of AESA radars vs classical ones : far greater reliability & ability to change the beam from a location X to a location Y (in the +/- 60 to 70° nose cone) quite instantly.
And another one is to divide the main antenna in 2 or more smaller ones, but each with a reduce range. May be usefull, but not in all scenario.

 

[SARTHAK]

Why? All the modules are working in the same way, if not (ie if you divide it) you have 2 antennaes, but each with half the size so far less range.
There are 2 main assets of AESA radars vs classical ones : far greater reliability & ability to change the beam from a location X to a location Y (in the +/- 60 to 70° nose cone) quite instantly.
And another one is to divide the main antenna in 2 or more smaller ones, but each with a reduce range. May be usefull, but not in all scenario.

how can active cancellation work against aesa because aesa uses frequency hopping

 

[BON PLAN]

how can active cancellation work against aesa because aesa uses frequency hopping

A classical radar or a PESA radar can also. Probably not at the same freq.

 

[Fonck83]

Link and very good news from @bonplan

http://www.**************.org/forums/threads/mmrca-2-0-updates-and-discussions.1156/post-199193

After MRO, Dassault plans CKD Rafale from its DRAL Plant in India – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

France's Dassault will complete its Rafale fighter aircraft maintenance centre at its upcoming facility at Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DRAL) in Mihan SEZ in Nagpur by the end of 2022 or early 2023. The new facility will cater to the Indian Air Force and South Asian customers in the near future, but the groundwork is being laid that could lead to the assembly of Rafale jets in India to meet export demands, as the order book builds up after recent orders from the UAE and Indonesia.

Reliance Infrastructure is the majority shareholder in DRAL's 51:49 JV, but Dassault plans to obtain a 100% stake in DRAL before it can begin assembling Rafale jets in India. DRAL will be able to assemble two Rafale jets per month and 24 per year, which will match France's current production capacity. Most of the jets will be delivered as CKDs (Completely Knocked Down) and assembled in India.

Dassault already sources the Rafale's engine doors and pylons from India as part of its global supply chain for its global customers and other components will also be manufactured in India. Dassault has already offered to assemble the second batch of Rafale, if ordered by India, at the DRAL facility and is also ready to bid for the MRFA tender for 114 jets, which involves further technology transfer (ToT) and local sourcing.

While the assembly of Rafale in India is still under consideration, the French company Dassault has recently concluded numerous agreements for the supply of Rafale jets with many countries, and the DRAL facility in India will play a crucial role as part of its global supply chain and later also in the upgrade and service of these jets.

 

[Poseidon]

IAF urgently needs to order more Rafales or MRFA's.

By end of 2024, China will probably complete deliveries of 36 J-10C and 30-32 JF-17 Blk3 to Pakistan, which means PAF will have 65+ AESA radar equipped fighters. Infact, it could be more as there are unconfirmed claims that PAF has ordered about 60 J-10C.

Meanwhile if no emergency order of MRFAs, IAF have at most 52 AESA radar equipped fighters by end of 2024 (36 Rafales and 16 Tejas Mk-1A); excluding Jag Darin 3.

Which means PAF will have some numerical edge in this category, unless IAF takes urgent steps.

On top of that IAF needs to cater for two fronts.

 

[THESIS THORON]

IAF urgently needs to order more Rafales or MRFA's.

By end of 2024, China will probably complete deliveries of 36 J-10C and 30-32 JF-17 Blk3 to Pakistan, which means PAF will have 65+ AESA radar equipped fighters. Infact, it could be more as there are unconfirmed claims that PAF has ordered 60 J-10C.
Meanwhile if no emergency order of MRFAs, IAF have at most 52 AESA radar equipped fighters by end of 2024 (36 Rafales and 16 Tejas Mk-1A); excluding Jag Darin 3.

Which means PAF will have some numerical edge in this category.

I have said this many times, the mki upgrade program is late, the radar replacement should have been happened before 2024, but it seems like it will start somewhere in 2026

Uttam mk3 will go in it ig.

 

[Marliii]

IAF urgently needs to order more Rafales or MRFA's.

By end of 2024, China will probably complete deliveries of 36 J-10C and 30-32 JF-17 Blk3 to Pakistan, which means PAF will have 65+ AESA radar equipped fighters. Infact, it could be more as there are unconfirmed claims that PAF has ordered about 60 J-10C.

Meanwhile if no emergency order of MRFAs, IAF have at most 52 AESA radar equipped fighters by end of 2024 (36 Rafales and 16 Tejas Mk-1A); excluding Jag Darin 3.

Which means PAF will have some numerical edge in this category, unless IAF takes urgent steps.

MrFA or the 114 rafales are crucial as IAF chief said they are but people want IAF to put all its eggs on HAL basket instead of diversifying and expanding the sources.these 114 MRFA fighters aren't gonna impact tejasmk2 in any meaningfull way.we need 300+ MWF catogory fighters

 

[SARTHAK]

I have said this many times, the mki upgrade program is late, the radar replacement should have been happened before 2024, but it seems like it will start somewhere in 2026

Uttam mk3 will go in it ig.

uttam mk2 GaN is in the making, by this year end it will be ready

 

[THESIS THORON]

uttam mk2 GaN is in the making, by this year end it will be ready

THAT 992 TRM ONE ??

 

[SARTHAK]

THAT 992 TRM ONE ??

yes,that can be scaled upto 1200 trm for mki ,sameer sir told about GaN x band radar some days ago on twitter

 

[THESIS THORON]

yes,that can be scaled upto 1200 trm for mki

I dont know wether that one will sport gan trms or not.

but the scaling up also takes time atleast 2 years

 

[SARTHAK]

I dont know wether that one will sport gan trms or not.

but the scaling up also takes time atleast 2 years

aare bhai sameer joshi sir is an iaf pilot and his startup is working on cats warrior with hal