Kaveri Engine

[BON PLAN]

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A decade is a "normal" time to developp from scratch an engine.

 

[jai jaganath]

Noice

 

[Vamsi]

 

[TopWatcher]

When we see flying?

 

[Johny_Baba]

I wonder if we could fork out a non-afterburning (of course) civilian jets' Turbofan version off Kaveri for say powering that Regional Transporter program here,

a good 50-60 some seats narrow body passenger regional jet powered by two Kaveri-derivative high-bypass turbofans would be neat

something like this Embraer ERJ family

Embraer ERJ family - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[skunk works]

Interesting. They must also be testing relight in flight, surge behavior etc..

 

[Ugra Bhairav]

can we deduce correlation ?????????????

Do this news coming out of this deal???????????

 

[TopWatcher]

can we deduce correlation ?????????????




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Do this news coming out of this deal???????????

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These things will happen. India should continue on developing own engine.

 

[Ugra Bhairav]

These things will happen. India should continue on developing own engine.

I am just connecting the dots.

Please read my previous posts, in the said matter, few pages back.

 

[karn]

Is there any proposal for a turboprop version of kaveri ?
@Vamsi

 

[Vamsi]

Is there any proposal for a turboprop version of kaveri ?
@Vamsi

As of now, there are only 2 derivatives of Kaveri

1.Dry Kaveri
2. KMGT

 

[MonaLazy]

These things will happen. India should continue on developing own engine.

Exclusive | Indigenous Engine of Tejas on Its Way: ADE Director at DRDO Who Worked on LCA for 25 Years - News18

Indigenous content is very important for Atmanirbhar Bharat, Y Dilip told News18 at the Aero India 2023 in Bengaluru

www.news18.com

Exclusive | Indigenous Engine of Tejas on Its Way: ADE Director at DRDO Who Worked on LCA for 25 Years

FEBRUARY 14, 2023, 20:34 IST Bengaluru, India
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Indigenous content is very important for Atmanirbhar Bharat, Y Dilip told News18 at the Aero India 2023 in Bengaluru



An indigenous engine of the light multirole fighter Tejas is on its way, Y Dilip, director of the Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE) at DRDO, told News18 on Tuesday.

“I worked for Tejas for almost 25 years, before working on Tejas. Many systems in the Tejas avionics flight control, landing air system, airframe design, advanced avionics, general systems all indigenous substitutes are there. The indigenous drive is major in Tejas. Yes, the engine is the dependability right now," he said at the Aero India 2023 in Bengaluru.

Y Dilip, who joined DRDO on September 13, 1991, started his career as a designer for the quadruplex flight control systems for the light combat aircraft (LCA) with core responsibility for the design and development of the digital flight control system architecture and computer (DFCC), which was flown successfully in 2001 and was type approved for LCA production requirements.

“I was also the director of GTRE (Gas Turbine Research Establishment) till a few weeks back. I must assure you that the development of the engine today is 73 kilonewtons as against 78 kilonewtons, which is the requirement with the Kaveri engine…it is all ready to go and efforts are on to fly the engine on the Tejas aircraft…very soon we will fly that," he told News18.


WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE
Y Dilip worked in the field of real-time embedded system design and engineering of avionics systems for manned and unmanned aerial with core specialisation on highly reliable and redundant architecture systems for “Safety Critical Embedded Systems Designs”. In his 30 years of service at ADE, he has contributed to projects and programmes in various capacities, provided technical guidance and support for project teams of Rustom-I, Rustom-II, Nirbhay, Sudarshan, Nishant and L-II programmes. He led the team towards design, development, flightworthy certification of Air Data Computer (ADC), Lavcon Air Data Computer (LADC) for LCA Mk1, 2A, Mk-II and LCA Navy. As a senior member of the IFCS group, he resolved issues with regard to integration sites and aircraft of LCA. As chairman of QRT, he resolved and streamlined the production of LCA-FCS LRUs.

Elaborating on the indigenous engine issue, he said, “Second is the dry engine of Kaveri for the strategic programme of unmanned combat aerial vehicles…which isn’t required after burner has completed and matured to a very high level of technology. A lot of improvements have been done to the engine. We are going to Russia for high-altitude testing for the engine. For the fourth-generation engine, the country has full capability to produce the engine. The Kaveri engine expected to be ready by 2024 or 2025. All tech is ready. If sanctions and funding come, it can be done in record time."

ON TAPAS UAV
He also discussed the Tactical Airborne Platform for Aerial Surveillance-Beyond Horizon-201 or TAPAS BH-201 and its competition with the IAI Heron UAV.

“This is completely indigenous technology built for UAV in the category of Medium Altitude Long Endurance TAPAS UAV. Every system that goes with this bird is completely Indigenous…including the engine. This has been made by another DRDO laboratory along with a private player based in Coimbatore. The indigenous content is very important for self-reliant India, Atmanirbhar Bharat. This will also reduce the cost in the long run," he said. “Avionics flight control, data link system, they are amazing in terms of technology and contemporary in nature. The system can take you to the line of sight and beyond the line of sight up to 1,000 kilometres. Data link has one important feature, that they are jam resistant. Everything has been done indigenously."

He also spoke about the edge that TAPAS has over other UAVs. “Robustness, reliability of the bird, secure data links, autonomous technology for take-off and landing capabilities, and advanced ground control station which goes into flying this bird…Such features make it different and more capable than any other foreign make imported once. This advanced ground control station can be used to fly other UAVs that are going to be indigenous. You don’t have to own additional resources to fly those birds as well. The life cycle cost of this TAPAS will be reduced. Unlike other systems available in the market, especially the imported one (Heron UAV), it requires separate ground control system. Inventory maintenance, huge database, supply change management will become very difficult. At ADE we are looking for easy operability and maintainability in the long run. We are offering ground control system which is interoperable," he said.


WHAT DEFENCE MINISTER SAYS
Defence minister Rajnath Singh has said that the indigenous manufacturing of aero-engines is the need of the hour for the aerospace sector to achieve complete self-reliance, and the ministry is working on the details. He said that the LCA Tejas is a game changer for the aerospace industry.

According to the defence ministry, he emphasised on indigenous design and development of essential weapon systems using niche technologies like Artificial Intelligence. The ministry handed over the health usage and monitoring system for MIG29K developed through the Technology Development Fund to the Indian Navy.

 

[karn]

Exclusive | Indigenous Engine of Tejas on Its Way: ADE Director at DRDO Who Worked on LCA for 25 Years - News18

Indigenous content is very important for Atmanirbhar Bharat, Y Dilip told News18 at the Aero India 2023 in Bengaluru

www.news18.com

Exclusive | Indigenous Engine of Tejas on Its Way: ADE Director at DRDO Who Worked on LCA for 25 Years

FEBRUARY 14, 2023, 20:34 IST Bengaluru, India
View attachment 193975

Indigenous content is very important for Atmanirbhar Bharat, Y Dilip told News18 at the Aero India 2023 in Bengaluru



An indigenous engine of the light multirole fighter Tejas is on its way, Y Dilip, director of the Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE) at DRDO, told News18 on Tuesday.

“I worked for Tejas for almost 25 years, before working on Tejas. Many systems in the Tejas avionics flight control, landing air system, airframe design, advanced avionics, general systems all indigenous substitutes are there. The indigenous drive is major in Tejas. Yes, the engine is the dependability right now," he said at the Aero India 2023 in Bengaluru.

Y Dilip, who joined DRDO on September 13, 1991, started his career as a designer for the quadruplex flight control systems for the light combat aircraft (LCA) with core responsibility for the design and development of the digital flight control system architecture and computer (DFCC), which was flown successfully in 2001 and was type approved for LCA production requirements.

“I was also the director of GTRE (Gas Turbine Research Establishment) till a few weeks back. I must assure you that the development of the engine today is 73 kilonewtons as against 78 kilonewtons, which is the requirement with the Kaveri engine…it is all ready to go and efforts are on to fly the engine on the Tejas aircraft…very soon we will fly that," he told News18.


WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE
Y Dilip worked in the field of real-time embedded system design and engineering of avionics systems for manned and unmanned aerial with core specialisation on highly reliable and redundant architecture systems for “Safety Critical Embedded Systems Designs”. In his 30 years of service at ADE, he has contributed to projects and programmes in various capacities, provided technical guidance and support for project teams of Rustom-I, Rustom-II, Nirbhay, Sudarshan, Nishant and L-II programmes. He led the team towards design, development, flightworthy certification of Air Data Computer (ADC), Lavcon Air Data Computer (LADC) for LCA Mk1, 2A, Mk-II and LCA Navy. As a senior member of the IFCS group, he resolved issues with regard to integration sites and aircraft of LCA. As chairman of QRT, he resolved and streamlined the production of LCA-FCS LRUs.

Elaborating on the indigenous engine issue, he said, “Second is the dry engine of Kaveri for the strategic programme of unmanned combat aerial vehicles…which isn’t required after burner has completed and matured to a very high level of technology. A lot of improvements have been done to the engine. We are going to Russia for high-altitude testing for the engine. For the fourth-generation engine, the country has full capability to produce the engine. The Kaveri engine expected to be ready by 2024 or 2025. All tech is ready. If sanctions and funding come, it can be done in record time."

ON TAPAS UAV
He also discussed the Tactical Airborne Platform for Aerial Surveillance-Beyond Horizon-201 or TAPAS BH-201 and its competition with the IAI Heron UAV.

“This is completely indigenous technology built for UAV in the category of Medium Altitude Long Endurance TAPAS UAV. Every system that goes with this bird is completely Indigenous…including the engine. This has been made by another DRDO laboratory along with a private player based in Coimbatore. The indigenous content is very important for self-reliant India, Atmanirbhar Bharat. This will also reduce the cost in the long run," he said. “Avionics flight control, data link system, they are amazing in terms of technology and contemporary in nature. The system can take you to the line of sight and beyond the line of sight up to 1,000 kilometres. Data link has one important feature, that they are jam resistant. Everything has been done indigenously."

He also spoke about the edge that TAPAS has over other UAVs. “Robustness, reliability of the bird, secure data links, autonomous technology for take-off and landing capabilities, and advanced ground control station which goes into flying this bird…Such features make it different and more capable than any other foreign make imported once. This advanced ground control station can be used to fly other UAVs that are going to be indigenous. You don’t have to own additional resources to fly those birds as well. The life cycle cost of this TAPAS will be reduced. Unlike other systems available in the market, especially the imported one (Heron UAV), it requires separate ground control system. Inventory maintenance, huge database, supply change management will become very difficult. At ADE we are looking for easy operability and maintainability in the long run. We are offering ground control system which is interoperable," he said.


WHAT DEFENCE MINISTER SAYS
Defence minister Rajnath Singh has said that the indigenous manufacturing of aero-engines is the need of the hour for the aerospace sector to achieve complete self-reliance, and the ministry is working on the details. He said that the LCA Tejas is a game changer for the aerospace industry.

According to the defence ministry, he emphasised on indigenous design and development of essential weapon systems using niche technologies like Artificial Intelligence. The ministry handed over the health usage and monitoring system for MIG29K developed through the Technology Development Fund to the Indian Navy.

 

[WolfPack86]

Kaveri engine completed high altitude trial

 

[Tridev123]

I think France agree to help India. More than USA for sure.
The mastery of engine tech is one of the most difficult to have. It is based on 60+ years of R&D effort and it not so easy to move away because relying on local R&D laboratories, materials suppliers etc... For exemple I think it may be very difficult to produce a M88 single crystal blade in a PW factory because directly linked to the process used by each.

And, to be honnest, don't imagine such a present for free (For how many times India tried to clinch a deal with RR or Safran or PW or GE ? )

I have been advocating a deal between India and France on the hot core engine technology(the area where we need assistance) provided France ensures a genuine transfer of technology and suitably trains Indian engineers.

It should have been done yesterday. No point in doing too much nit picking over the fees demanded by the French(only hope France doesn't want to bankrupt India).

All logic says an indigenous reliable, mass producible, high thrust turbofan engine will save India tens of billions of dollars over the next few decades in import costs.

It will also ensure strategic independence in defence aerospace and enable Indian exports of combat aircraft.

France will also gain in the long term. Today French aerospace technology is quite ahead of India. But as India matures technologically and Indian scientists and engineers reach world class standards, our ability to meaningfully collaborate with France in aerospace will increase substantially. The Indian economy will overtake the French economy(due to India's large population) in the not too distant future and hence will be in a better position to bankroll any joint ventures between India and France in new generation aero engines.

So the French get an capable partner to share the costs and risks. An win - win situation.

But the future for the development of high performance jet engines in India doesn't inspire optimism. Most people agree that the funds allocated is insufficient and a policy paralysis seems to be the reality. Where is the action plan.

On the other hand, the Chinese after pouring tens of billions of dollars into the same quest finally seem to be overcoming the technical challenges associated with the design and mass production of high performance turbofan engines. It may take even up to a decade for them to become a globally reliable aero engines manufacturer. But at least the light at the end of the tunnel is visible.

I don't think we should allow the Chinese to really get ahead of us in aerospace technology.

At least the non after burner Kaveri turbofan should take to the skies in an UAV. It will generate confidence in the public that something concrete is being done..

 

[Vamsi]

I have been advocating a deal between India and France on the hot core engine technology(the area where we need assistance) provided France ensures a genuine transfer of technology and suitably trains Indian engineers.

It won't happen.....no one will give you their crown jewel, no matter how much money you give to them....

Answer this simple question, will you give CE-20 engine technology to Vietnam or Malaysia or Greece or Egypt, just because they are willing to pay huge amount of money ??

 

[Tridev123]

Exclusive | Indigenous Engine of Tejas on Its Way: ADE Director at DRDO Who Worked on LCA for 25 Years - News18

Indigenous content is very important for Atmanirbhar Bharat, Y Dilip told News18 at the Aero India 2023 in Bengaluru

www.news18.com

Exclusive | Indigenous Engine of Tejas on Its Way: ADE Director at DRDO Who Worked on LCA for 25 Years

FEBRUARY 14, 2023, 20:34 IST Bengaluru, India
View attachment 193975

Indigenous content is very important for Atmanirbhar Bharat, Y Dilip told News18 at the Aero India 2023 in Bengaluru



An indigenous engine of the light multirole fighter Tejas is on its way, Y Dilip, director of the Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE) at DRDO, told News18 on Tuesday.

“I worked for Tejas for almost 25 years, before working on Tejas. Many systems in the Tejas avionics flight control, landing air system, airframe design, advanced avionics, general systems all indigenous substitutes are there. The indigenous drive is major in Tejas. Yes, the engine is the dependability right now," he said at the Aero India 2023 in Bengaluru.

Y Dilip, who joined DRDO on September 13, 1991, started his career as a designer for the quadruplex flight control systems for the light combat aircraft (LCA) with core responsibility for the design and development of the digital flight control system architecture and computer (DFCC), which was flown successfully in 2001 and was type approved for LCA production requirements.

“I was also the director of GTRE (Gas Turbine Research Establishment) till a few weeks back. I must assure you that the development of the engine today is 73 kilonewtons as against 78 kilonewtons, which is the requirement with the Kaveri engine…it is all ready to go and efforts are on to fly the engine on the Tejas aircraft…very soon we will fly that," he told News18.


WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE
Y Dilip worked in the field of real-time embedded system design and engineering of avionics systems for manned and unmanned aerial with core specialisation on highly reliable and redundant architecture systems for “Safety Critical Embedded Systems Designs”. In his 30 years of service at ADE, he has contributed to projects and programmes in various capacities, provided technical guidance and support for project teams of Rustom-I, Rustom-II, Nirbhay, Sudarshan, Nishant and L-II programmes. He led the team towards design, development, flightworthy certification of Air Data Computer (ADC), Lavcon Air Data Computer (LADC) for LCA Mk1, 2A, Mk-II and LCA Navy. As a senior member of the IFCS group, he resolved issues with regard to integration sites and aircraft of LCA. As chairman of QRT, he resolved and streamlined the production of LCA-FCS LRUs.

Elaborating on the indigenous engine issue, he said, “Second is the dry engine of Kaveri for the strategic programme of unmanned combat aerial vehicles…which isn’t required after burner has completed and matured to a very high level of technology. A lot of improvements have been done to the engine. We are going to Russia for high-altitude testing for the engine. For the fourth-generation engine, the country has full capability to produce the engine. The Kaveri engine expected to be ready by 2024 or 2025. All tech is ready. If sanctions and funding come, it can be done in record time."

ON TAPAS UAV
He also discussed the Tactical Airborne Platform for Aerial Surveillance-Beyond Horizon-201 or TAPAS BH-201 and its competition with the IAI Heron UAV.

“This is completely indigenous technology built for UAV in the category of Medium Altitude Long Endurance TAPAS UAV. Every system that goes with this bird is completely Indigenous…including the engine. This has been made by another DRDO laboratory along with a private player based in Coimbatore. The indigenous content is very important for self-reliant India, Atmanirbhar Bharat. This will also reduce the cost in the long run," he said. “Avionics flight control, data link system, they are amazing in terms of technology and contemporary in nature. The system can take you to the line of sight and beyond the line of sight up to 1,000 kilometres. Data link has one important feature, that they are jam resistant. Everything has been done indigenously."

He also spoke about the edge that TAPAS has over other UAVs. “Robustness, reliability of the bird, secure data links, autonomous technology for take-off and landing capabilities, and advanced ground control station which goes into flying this bird…Such features make it different and more capable than any other foreign make imported once. This advanced ground control station can be used to fly other UAVs that are going to be indigenous. You don’t have to own additional resources to fly those birds as well. The life cycle cost of this TAPAS will be reduced. Unlike other systems available in the market, especially the imported one (Heron UAV), it requires separate ground control system. Inventory maintenance, huge database, supply change management will become very difficult. At ADE we are looking for easy operability and maintainability in the long run. We are offering ground control system which is interoperable," he said.


WHAT DEFENCE MINISTER SAYS
Defence minister Rajnath Singh has said that the indigenous manufacturing of aero-engines is the need of the hour for the aerospace sector to achieve complete self-reliance, and the ministry is working on the details. He said that the LCA Tejas is a game changer for the aerospace industry.

According to the defence ministry, he emphasised on indigenous design and development of essential weapon systems using niche technologies like Artificial Intelligence. The ministry handed over the health usage and monitoring system for MIG29K developed through the Technology Development Fund to the Indian Navy.

Heart warming news.
But, please no more public announcements or positive press reports.

Surprise the nation by getting either the dry Kaveri or the wet Kaveri to fly.
I believe most Indians would want that to happen.

The press release can happen after the flight.

The kudos and congratulations will follow thereafter.

Initial testing in an unmanned aerial vehicle means that pilots lives will not be at stake. A manned flight can take place after the reliability is proved.

We should not be afraid even if unfortunately one test vehicle crashes.
If we cannot accept failures, how will we succeed. Learn from failures.
No country is immune to developmental failures. The wise learn from their mistakes and improve.

 

[Tridev123]

It won't happen.....no one will give you their crown jewel, no matter how much money you give to them....

Answer this simple question, will you give CE-20 engine technology to Vietnam or Malaysia or Greece or Egypt, just because they are willing to pay huge amount of money ??

I don't disagree. But nuclear bomb making technology has been shared before between nations. How did the British get their nuclear weapons. Without US assistance it would have been difficult.

Now which is more destabilising and dangerous.
Nuclear weapons technology or turbofan engine technology.

Unfortunately I believe that there is a sustained campaign to make India and Indians believe that high performance turbofan engine technology is too difficult an technology for India to attempt. Some kind of Super Duper technology. In a way psychologically demoralise us. That we are incapable of succeeding in this field of aerospace.

Should we succumb to the information warfare attempt.

Now regarding the specific question. Will India transfer Cryogenic engine technology to Vietnam. Yes, why not. If ISRO develops an indigenous Cryogenic Engine 5 to 10 times more powerful than CE-20 and if the Chinese give Pakistan an Heavy Space Launch Vehicle(including an cryogenic stage).

Depends on the geopolitical situation and the degree of threat from China.

No way we should transfer advanced technology to Muslim countries. Am I an extremist Hindu. Hope not.

 

[Vamsi]

Now regarding the specific question. Will India transfer Cryogenic engine technology to Vietnam. Yes, why not. If ISRO develops an indigenous Cryogenic Engine 5 to 10 times more powerful than CE-20 and if the Chinese give Pakistan an Heavy Space Launch Vehicle(including an cryogenic stage).

Depends on the geopolitical situation and the degree of threat from China.

Even if we give them the tech, will only give the know-how, definitely not the material tech

 

[MonaLazy]

Kaveri can fly Tejas- also confirmed by Dr Tessy Thomas

"Kaveri engine is also ready to fly in LCA- we can take up one of the LCA aircraft, we can fly today, so that is the capability which has been established. Yes engine development took some amount of time so within the country's ecosystem.. but today it's different today our industries are coming up to take up on the.. that type of engine development."