INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

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You mean a MMG/GPMG....right??I mean the belt fed machine guns chambered for M 80 NATO is called GPMG and not LMG if my memory serves me correct.

And why does Indian Army want to induct a new GPMG chambered for 7.62X51mm NATO ammunitions when OFB has been already manufacturing the FN MAG 58 from decades now??Even the US Army and USMC has replaced their M 60s with MAG 58s (M 240 in US terminology)!!
Better option will be 7.63x54mm PKM or 7.63XX51 chambered bulgarian PKM variants compared with any other 7.62X51 gpmg due to their light weight,and reliability.Thats why PARAs had swiched to PKM from MAG58s and brens.
 

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In RFI it is stated as LMG, FN-MAG is still heavy ..

You mean a MMG/GPMG....right??I mean the belt fed machine guns chambered for M 80 NATO is called GPMG and not LMG if my memory serves me correct.

And why does Indian Army want to induct a new GPMG chambered for 7.62X51mm NATO ammunitions when OFB has been already manufacturing the FN MAG 58 from decades now??Even the US Army and USMC has replaced their M 60s with MAG 58s (M 240 in US terminology)!!
 

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Army Snipers with INSAS 1B1 ( Older ) with thermal and 40mm ARDE UBGL ..
Gillie suit is welcome but the orange paint on the INSAS would be last thing one would expect while wearing a gillie suit ,a scope would make him a marks man .

Second pic is good one ,in the jungles of J&k thermal with good camouflage can make big difference while ambushing the incoming tangos
 

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It is important that the Marksman also camoed his firearm and get rid those black gloves, Its better to have no gloves ..

I just hope they get the improved 1B1`s, ..
 

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@Kunal sir jee one question arise in my mind is why IA never consider Suppressors for Assault rifles for ambush & night raids as normally in night operation only way to find the direction of incoming fire is the muzzle flash & the sound of gun fire if we use sound suppresses then it would be very difficult for terrorists to point out direction of fire during an ambush .
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9mm sterling smg with silencer in use with Indian army & some rare smg's with attachment in J&k but never came across use of silencer in assault rifles in IA ,i can understand it would be luxury for an army which is yet to standardize scopes for its rifles but goes on wasting money by issuing RfP for new guns.
When we talk about retaliation on our western borders we don't realize that ever retaliation would have a counter response from other side too . Our Special force can go for night raids inside enemy line and no doubt doubts that can't do it but in response our enemy is also capable of doing same what makes the difference is how well prepared our common solders on border posts are to defend such assault by enemies SF and how good our preparations are to detect / predict enemies targeted posts/area to defectively demoralize enemy from initiating such steps .

I have read an article where some area commander in J&K was talking about use of MMG/HMG to retaliate cross border infiltration bids and difficulty in switching positions on counter retaliation fire from Pakistan side as its easy to pinpoint source of HMG fire during night , this is where a .50 cal sniper rifle with thermal scope would come in handy & fear of presence of an enemy sniper in an area is bone shivering for any side of soldier .

I hate it when our politicians talk about retaliation but never tell's how effective it would be in demoralizing enemy .Our soldiers are not Cannon fodder .
 
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The defense and infrastructure related in forward areas are very rudimentary unfortunately, But to counter enemy incursion there are basic tactics are layed such as ..

1. Mines ..
2. Booby traps ..
3. Ambush points ..
4. Barb-wires and various sensors ..

Ghatak commandos are deployed over sensitive areas to counter such situations, For anti-sniper role every major outpost has AMR with PNS and AGL along with Mortars and few MMGs, Night engagement are almost completely taken via INSAS LMG and INSAS with PNS, Though there is a big gap in technology advancement such as 24X7 UAV surveillance and Better concrete infrastructure to endure enemy shell fire ..
 

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Ghatak commandos are deployed over sensitive areas to counter such situations, For anti-sniper role every major outpost has AMR with PNS and AGL along with Mortars and few MMGs, Night engagement are almost completely taken via INSAS LMG and INSAS with PNS, Though there is a big gap in technology advancement such as 24X7 UAV surveillance and Better concrete infrastructure to endure enemy shell fire ..
IA have bin using passive night sights for AKM's in Kashmir too
 

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It is almost impossible to distinguish Older 1B1 with Improved 1B1 without there color from distance ..

On closer look, One can further differentiate them via there quality of making ..
 

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New Delhi: CRPF, which is deployed for anti- Naxal operations, has decided to shun its standard weapon of combat, the indigenous INSAS rifle, and henceforth arm its troops exclusively with the AK series of assault rifles.
The force has also sought to procure 20,000 new AK series rifles for its troops deployed in the Left Wing Extremism (LWE) affected areas in various states and counter-insurgency theatres in the North-East after it found that the INSAS rifle was not proving to be as "operationally suitable" as the Russian made AK-47 and -56 series of combat rifles.
The country's largest paramilitary force, with its three lakh personnel, is now planning to reduce the numbers of INSAS rifles in its armoury after a technical and scientific comparison with the sophisticated AK rifles found that the latter was more effective.
Field commanders of the force deployed in the anti-Naxal operations grid said they were increasingly sending the INSAS to the weapon repairs store of the force.

The Indian Small Arms System (INSAS) rifle has been the primary weapon of the force for a number of years now and it is even relied upon by the Indian Army for use by its troops in various combat theatres.
The INSAS was developed for the first time in late 1980s by the Ordnance Factories Board (OFB) for aid of the Indian infantry forces.
"INSAS was never the preferred weapon for us in operational areas like in the Left Wing Extremism theatre. We have found that our men are more confident with the AK series rifles," Central Reserve Police Force chief Dilip Trivedi told PTI.
The Director General, however, said INSAS will continue to remain in the force as CRPF has a multi-faceted role in the internal security domain of the country which includes dealing with law and order problems and conduct of elections among others.

Anti-Naxal ops: CRPF prefers AK rifles to INSAS, bulk purchase on cards
 
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NAGPUR: The Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), which has been trying since last seven years to develop an indigenous assault rifle to rival the famous AK-47, will put to test three versions of the weapon made by three different factories. The trials are planned to be held between May 27 to 29. The weapons include a close replica of the original AK-47 developed by small arms factory Kanpur, one made by Rifle Factory Ishapore in West Bengal, and the Tirichi Assault Rifle (TAR) from the ordnance factory at Tiruchirapalli.
Since 2008, OFB has been trying its hand at making an assault rifle but the project could not succeed.
Much hope was pinned on the TAR, since it worked on a different mechanism as compared to the original AK-47, and could also achieve a faster rate of fire. However, after initial development, the project had taken a backseat, with not more than five rifles produced. On being revived last year, the rifle still had some glitches in the trials held in January.
There were plans to make at least 15 pieces for the May trials, but now only three are ready. It is hoped more rifles will be made soon. In the meantime, the board has directed the other factories to come up with their own versions for the May trials.

Instructions were issued that the best of the three will be offered for user trials to paramilitary forces.
The Kanpur rifle was developed almost parallel to the TAR, which eventually remained in focus. The latest to be developed is the rifle developed by Ishapore Factory, said a source.
A source close to the project said the Kanpur and Ishapore work on the rotating breech block mechanism, which is similar to AK-47, while TAR has a sliding block, which makes it different.

In early 2000s, Mikhail Kalashnikov himself had raised a copyright objection when an exact replica of the AK-47 was put on display by OFB at a defence expo, which led to the search for new mechanisms.
The factory which comes up with the best weapon shall eventually get the order for bulk production. This is the biggest motivation, because there is hardly any indent for rifles this year. The army has already phased out the 5.56 Insas rifle used in the Kargil war, and paramilitary forces too have not come up with any major orders of this make. So is the case with light machine guns, said an insider.
The army is tapping the global market for new rifles, so the OFB is targeting the paramilitary to market the indigenous assault rifle.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...o-try-out-3-desi-AKs/articleshow/35420220.cms
 

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