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[Azaad]

Fruits of the Othmanli Empire which created a tinderbox in the Balkans which in turn ignited WW-1 which in turn laid the seeds of WW-2.

BTW - the Balkans still remain a dormant volcano waiting for the right time to erupt.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Fruits of the Othmanli Empire which created a tinderbox in the Balkans which in turn ignited WW-1 which in turn laid the seeds of WW-2.

BTW - the Balkans still remain a dormant volcano waiting for the right time to erupt.

What different thing today's self claimed Turks do ? First they were defeated by Christianity then savagers.. they are the biggest cuckold. Literally shifted to winning side.. it won't take much time when this things will be mainstreamed. The identity crisis which will rise in they're society will so high even Pakistanis will fall behind them..

 

[shade]

What different thing today's self claimed Turks do ? First they were defeated by Christianity then savagers.. they are the biggest cuckold. Literally shifted to winning side.. it won't take much time when this things will be mainstreamed. The identity crisis which will rise in they're society will so high even Pakistanis will fall behind them..

This Anatolian gang are cucks and it is long before they became Turks.
Originally they were Hittites, then they became Greek and Armenian, then "Turks".

It is in their blood to change to the winning side.

Fruits of the Othmanli Empire which created a tinderbox in the Balkans which in turn ignited WW-1 which in turn laid the seeds of WW-2.

BTW - the Balkans still remain a dormant volcano waiting for the right time to erupt.

Bosnian is not a different language or ethnicity to Serbian or Croatian
These three ethnolinguistic identities are unironically because of religious chimpery, Serbs are Orthodox, Croatians are Catholic, Bosnian are Green.
The language they speak is basically the same, do a DNA test of these nibbiars and they are basically the same tribe

 

[Azaad]

Another reason why all the engineers & scientists who could deliver you the 5th Gen Turbo Fan are busy making the Hijrat to the US.

Also, it shouldn't come as any surprise if some day some Mehmet or Achmet or Azmet assassinates Fetullah Gulen on the orders of Khalifa Erdogan.

What say in house Mehmet & Achmet ? @tfxkaanf23 ; @MysticBuzz

 

[mamamia12]

Another reason why all the engineers & scientists who could deliver you the 5th Gen Turbo Fan are busy making the Hijrat to the US.

Also, it shouldn't come as any surprise if some day some Mehmet or Achmet or Azmet assassinates Fetullah Gulen on the orders of Khalifa Erdogan.

What say in house Mehmet & Achmet ? @tfxkaanf23 ; @MysticBuzz

If 5th-Gen Turbofan is that easy, then far more experienced players with decades of industry presence like Avio of Italy, MTU of Germany, Safran of France, ITP of Spain, IHI of Japan wouldn't struggle and resort to tech demonstrators panning decades to accumulate experience which they have been doing to gear up for next turbofan. Much more most of them are resorting to Co-Operation even while being experienced unlike Chickens(Yes, including India). Heck even we are presenting a rather long timeline of 10-15 years with a partner like GE or RR unlike boasting of a engine by 2028 all by Turkey alone.

 

[tfxkaanf23]

Another reason why all the engineers & scientists who could deliver you the 5th Gen Turbo Fan are busy making the Hijrat to the US.

Also, it shouldn't come as any surprise if some day some Mehmet or Achmet or Azmet assassinates Fetullah Gulen on the orders of Khalifa Erdogan.

What say in house Mehmet & Achmet ? @tfxkaanf23 ; @MysticBuzz

Due Erdoğan government, many young people including experienced engineers and top students leave the country. That is a fact.
For defense industry, there are people also leaving but it is not so much since they are paid good. 3-4k USD for 3-4 years engineering experience.
For more than 5 years experience , they are paid over 4-5k USD. It is comparable to European companies but can not be compared to USA. And money is not the top issue for the experienced people's leaving but they can not see future under akp government.
Still, defense projects barely affected, since they do not lose so many engineers.
Ps. The ones going to USA with out visa are not those defense engineers but mostly either non university graduates or the ones with out a proper jobs even though they are graduated from universities.

 

[Azaad]

Due Erdoğan government, many young people including experienced engineers and top students leave the country. That is a fact.
For defense industry, there are people also leaving but it is not so much since they are paid good. 3-4k USD for 3-4 years engineering experience.
For more than 5 years experience , they are paid over 4-5k USD. It is comparable to European companies but can not be compared to USA. And money is not the top issue for the experienced people's leaving but they can not see future under akp government.
Still, defense projects barely affected, since they do not lose so many engineers.
Ps. The ones going to USA with out visa are not those defense engineers but mostly either non university graduates or the ones with out a proper jobs even though they are graduated from universities.

5k USD per month or per annum ?

 

[Azaad]

 

[tfxkaanf23]

5k USD per month or per annum ?

Per month of course!
Engineers and technicians in defense companies get paid well in Türkiye.
For example, baykar paid extra 50 salaries additional to their normal salaries this year and last year depend on the experience in baykar company( if someone has worked 5 or more years, they got 50 salaries extra, if worked 4 years they got 40 salaries extra etc.)So each engineer almost got 4-5 million TL beside their normal salaries this year.

 

[tfxkaanf23]

See ASELSAN salaries below.
1 USD is 32.2 TL. If you see salaries , you can see it is 3.5k-6k USD per month for engineers

 

[Azaad]

Per month of course!
Engineers and technicians in defense companies get paid well in Türkiye.
For example, baykar paid extra 50 salaries additional to their normal salaries this year and last year depend on the experience in baykar company( if someone has worked 5 or more years, they got 50 salaries extra, if worked 4 years they got 40 salaries extra etc.)So each engineer almost got 4-5 million TL beside their normal salaries this year.

If Baykar is being extravagant with their payouts the question which automatically arises is this - how can they afford it for 5000 USD / month x 50 translates to a quarter of a million USD .

If say 1000 such senior engineers & scientists get paid that much , it translates to Baykar shelling out 250 million USD as bonuses.

Who's footing the final bill ? Baykar or Khalifa Erdogan which in turn means the Turkish exchequer aka the ordinary Mehmets & Achmets in these recessionary times ?

 

[tfxkaanf23]

If Baykar is being extravagant with their payouts the question which automatically arises is this - how can they afford it for 5000 USD / month x 50 translates to a quarter of a million USD .

If say 1000 such senior engineers & scientists get paid that much , it translates to Baykar shelling out 250 million USD as bonuses.

Who's footing the final bill ? Baykar or Khalifa Erdogan which in turn means the Turkish exchequer aka the ordinary Mehmets & Achmets in these recessionary times ?

Not every one gets that much , 5 and more years in baykar ones get that much. Less than 5 years one got less depends on their work years in baykar. And not all engineers has 5k USD but starting from 3-4k USD for new ones.
Baykar has spent more than 100 million USD for this.

 

[tfxkaanf23]

See ASELSAN salaries below.
1 USD is 32.2 TL. If you see salaries , you can see it is 3.5k-6k USD per month for engineers

I haven't added the link. See the salaries below

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Aselsan-Ankara-Salaries-EI_IE41213.0,7_IL.8,14_IM1700.htm

 

[ezsasa]

Not every one gets that much , 5 and more years in baykar ones get that much. Less than 5 years one got less depends on their work years in baykar. And not all engineers has 5k USD but starting from 3-4k USD for new ones.
Baykar has spent more than 100 million USD for this.

can you post links to baykar's and aselsan's annual reports..

 

[tfxkaanf23]

can you post links to baykar's and aselsan's annual reports..

ASELSAN has around 2.5 billion USD revenue last year.
Baykar has 1.7 billion USD export in 2023 ,and a revenue of around 2 billion USD.
These figures can be found in Google.

 

[ezsasa]

ASELSAN has around 2.5 billion USD revenue last year.
Baykar has 1.7 billion USD export in 2023 ,and a revenue of around 2 billion USD.
These figures can be found in Google.

annual reports have more information.
corporate governance is not mandatory in your country?

 

[tfxkaanf23]

annual reports have more information.
corporate governance is not mandatory in your country?

You may also find that reports in Google. ASELSAN is also in İMKB so they need to share each details. Baykar also share details.

See details of ASELSAN below.

https://www.aselsan.com/en/investor-relations/financial-highlights

Baykar export number for 2023

BAYKAR'ın 2023 yılı ihracatı açıklandı | SavunmaSanayiST

Türk savunma sanayiinin ihracat şampiyonu BAYKAR'ın, 2023 yılında gerçekleştirdiği ihracat açıklandı. BAYKAR, 1.7 milyar dolar tutarında ihracat geliri sağladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Azaad]

The Greeks & Eastern Slavs truly despise what some of their former brethren have become.

 

[Azaad]